Dishwasher recommendation

Qualitymark

What's a really good dishwasher (and good value too), and why?

I've never had a dishwasher but have decided to get one - but plumbing it in is going to require lifting floorboards, etc, so I want to get one that's going to be trouble-free and worth its purchase.

Looking for:

* Quiet
* Low-energy-use rating
* Low water usage
* Cuts out if the water doesn't fill
* Easy stacking
* Reliable brand
* Good after-care, just in case
* Sturdy

What should I be looking for, and where should I buy it? (In Dublin, by the way.)

UrbanSea

Excellent machine
http://www.powercity.ie/?par=40-15-1530B

cast_iron

Certainly don't buy the optional warranty that site is offering. It's worth absolutely nothing. Your statuatory rights give you more than the 2 additional years they offer.

Qualitymark

greetings wrote: »

Excellent machine
http://www.powercity.ie/?par=40-15-1530B

I see that it's AAA, which is great, but I don't know the brand Beko. Where's it made, what are its advantages? It's rather dear at €300 for an unknown.

gally

Beko,made in Turkey ,not great.We had a Beko fridge-compressor leaked after 15 months-dead,no comeback.Brother has Beko washing machine,counterweght on drum vibrated loose,was held on by selftappers screwed into plastic.I repaired it but these appliances are built down to a price.Would buy nothing Beko!

Qualitymark

Yeah, I'm trending towards Miele because people tell me they last forever and don't go wrong. Very dear, but maybe cheaper in the end for those reasons. But not sure about the value of the ones sold here.

gally

Miele-now you,re talking, expensive but the best.Bosch probably number two.

gerarda

Thumbs up for Hotpoint, we have one which came with the house 8 years ago and is still going strong, never had a single problem ever.

UrbanSea

gally wrote: »

Beko,made in Turkey ,not great.We had a Beko fridge-compressor leaked after 15 months-dead,no comeback.Brother has Beko washing machine,counterweght on drum vibrated loose,was held on by selftappers screwed into plastic.I repaired it but these appliances are built down to a price.Would buy nothing Beko!

Base Beko models I wouldn't be the biggest fan of.
That dishwasher above or the following 3 washing machines(new ranges) wme7/8/9227 I would have huge faith in. I wouldn't be put off by the fact that you haven't heard of the brand OP,they're one of the largest brands on the Irish market. A leaked compressor could have happened to any fridge

Qualitymark wrote: »

Yeah, I'm trending towards Miele because people tell me they last forever and don't go wrong. Very dear, but maybe cheaper in the end for those reasons. But not sure about the value of the ones sold here.

Not a chance in hell can I justify paying such a crazy amount of money for an over rated brand. Bosch before Miele anyway.

gerarda wrote: »

Thumbs up for Hotpoint, we have one which came with the house 8 years ago and is still going strong, never had a single problem ever.

The new Hotpoint's are not nearly as good as the old ones

j timber

hi guys
has anyone got a neff dishwasher?they doing a scrappage offer at moment. stil not too sure on them tho think should just stick to the ovens

Poulgorm

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that all dishwashers and washing machines have a design life of about 5 years (unlike the old days when they would last about 20 years).

So buy the cheapest one that meets your requirements.

henryporter

We have had an Electrolux going for the past nine years - only problems ever related to food getting jammed in the filter and the handle fell off (which I replaced myself) - good make by our experience. Make sure you get a model with a pre-rinse setting.

Qualitymark

Thanks for all these good answers - keep them coming, I have a lot to learn.

J Timber, I don't know about dishwashers, but I have a Neff oven and it's superb. I just couldn't believe the difference when I got it - cooking times halved (mind you, that could be because the seal on the old oven was gone for several years), and it's a joy to use, and it looks gorgeous. I still occasionally caress it as I pass. Must get a life.

tm2204

cast_iron wrote: »

Certainly don't buy the optional warranty that site is offering. It's worth absolutely nothing. Your statuatory rights give you more than the 2 additional years they offer.

Can anyone elaborate on this and explain?

Does this mean you have 2 years guarantee regardless? Is this some kind of EU thing?


Tks

cast_iron

tm2204 wrote: »

Can anyone elaborate on this and explain?

Does this mean you have 2 years guarantee regardless? Is this some kind of EU thing?

Yes and no. Irish law states the product must be "as durable as is reasonable to expect". A two year lifespan is not reasonable for a dishwasher. I would say at least 5 years would be reasonable, but ultimately a judge would decide. For a dishwasher, 2/3 years would never even get to court.

tm2204

cast_iron wrote: »

Yes and no. Irish law states the product must be "as durable as is reasonable to expect". A two year lifespan is not reasonable for a dishwasher. I would say at least 5 years would be reasonable, but ultimately a judge would decide. For a dishwasher, 2/3 years would never even get to court.

OK, suppose you get a standard 12 month warranty with a new dishwasher and say after 20 months (for example) it goes tits up, where do you go and how would you enforce this?

Get back onto the retailer or small claims court?

cast_iron

tm2204 wrote: »

OK, suppose you get a standard 12 month warranty with a new dishwasher and say after 20 months (for example) it goes tits up, where do you go and how would you enforce this?

Get back onto the retailer or small claims court?

You formed a contract with the retailer, so it's them you deal with. They often try to fob you off to the manufacturer when the 12 month warranty is up...this is nonsense.

If the staff aren't willing to play ball, speak to the manager. They usually try to tell you different also. Print out the part of the Sale of Goods Act to try to get him to come around.

If they still don't bite, apply online to the Small Claims Court. It costs €15. the retailer will get receipt of this within a couple of weeks. At this stage, they would normally give in. The SC clerk generally advises either party if the case is fairly clear cut, and it won't make court.

tm2204

cast_iron wrote: »

You formed a contract with the retailer, so it's them you deal with. They often try to fob you off to the manufacturer when the 12 month warranty is up...this is nonsense.

If the staff aren't willing to play ball, speak to the manager. They usually try to tell you different also. Print out the part of the Sale of Goods Act to try to get him to come around.

If they still don't bite, apply online to the Small Claims Court. It costs €15. the retailer will get receipt of this within a couple of weeks. At this stage, they would normally give in. The SC clerk generally advises either party if the case is fairly clear cut, and it won't make court.

Thanks a lot mate. Very helpful & good information to know...

cast_iron

tm2204 wrote: »

Thanks a lot mate. Very helpful & good information to know...

There's a distinct lack of knowledge of consumer rights in this country. It's obviously not in retailers' interest for the simple facts to be widely known.

Europe did actually bring in laws specifying a given period of time (5 years, I think) a couple of years back, but Ireland did not implement them, as our laws were considered to be stronger than the European ones.

We've somewhat de-railed the thread, sorry:o but the advice might be useful during the purchase of any machine. Those extended warranties are effectively a scare-mongering scam.

Qualitymark

Those guarantees almost always turn out to be pointless anyway - they're labour only, or they have a big excess.

UrbanSea

cast_iron wrote: »

Yes and no. Irish law states the product must be "as durable as is reasonable to expect". A two year lifespan is not reasonable for a dishwasher. I would say at least 5 years would be reasonable, but ultimately a judge would decide. For a dishwasher, 2/3 years would never even get to court.

5 years is a ridiculous length of time for some machines. If you go out and buy the cheapest Bush or Hoover machine and expect to get 5 years out of it,you're going to be very disappointed and disillussioned.

cast_iron

greetings wrote: »

5 years is a ridiculous length of time for some machines. If you go out and buy the cheapest Bush or Hoover machine and expect to get 5 years out of it,you're going to be very disappointed and disillussioned.

The intent behind the EU law was to try to force manufacturers to build products that last longer, as the waste generated by a fast turnover of millions of dishwashers/fridges etc is not desirable.

I think 5 years from any large appliance should be a reasonable expectation in light of this fact, thought expecting free replacement parts at 5 years is getting a bit rich really. Having said that, it's the judge that would decide, and take the cheap purchase price into consideration also.

UrbanSea

cast_iron wrote: »

The intent behind the EU law was to try to force manufacturers to build products that last longer, as the waste generated by a fast turnover of millions of dishwashers/fridges etc is not desirable.

I think 5 years from any large appliance should be a reasonable expectation in light of this fact, thought expecting free replacement parts at 5 years is getting a bit rich really. Having said that, it's the judge that would decide, and take the cheap purchase price into consideration also.

5 year replacement parts still available with Hotpoint,the call out of 114 takes the piss a bit really though. I would agree that at least 5 for the majority,but the two examples I've given,say a fully integrated Bush diswasher at 239 in argos or the Hoover washing machine at half price in Curry's at the minute of 249,I'd be surprised if people got 3 years out of them,and if I were selling a machine like that I'd ensure the consumer knows my view on it. If they insist on going ahead with it but then get mad 4 or 5 years down the line that their piece of junk has packed in I wouldn't have any time for them. I'd sympathize with those who have been told by salesmen that the particular machine would be as good as any for example.

Qualitymark

So has anyone seen Miele on sale anywhere? Apparently there's some place in Derry that does them at a good rate, and delivers to the Sythe.

UrbanSea

Qualitymark wrote: »

So has anyone seen Miele on sale anywhere? Apparently there's some place in Derry that does them at a good rate, and delivers to the Sythe.

Can't say I have,but by 'good rate' I think it's about 600 pounds. Houseworks ltd dublin is listed as a distributor,but so are Currys and DID and I know they haven't miele white goods

UrbanSea

greetings wrote: »

Can't say I have,but by 'good rate' I think it's about 600 pounds. Houseworks ltd dublin is listed as a distributor,but so are Currys and DID and I know they haven't miele white goods

Edit:Just on their site,no dishwashers.

knighted_1

greetings wrote: »

Can't say I have,but by 'good rate' I think it's about 600 pounds. Houseworks ltd dublin is listed as a distributor,but so are Currys and DID and I know they haven't miele white goods

miele operate on a different set up to other distributors - the store only displays the goods for miele ,even the display model is still owned by miele , but when the store makes a sale they recieve 14 % , but miele deliver it themselves - thats why you see adverts on d i d etc that say the sale excludes miele apple etc

UrbanSea

knighted_1 wrote: »

miele operate on a different set up to other distributors - the store only displays the goods for miele ,even the display model is still owned by miele , but when the store makes a sale they recieve 14 % , but miele deliver it themselves - thats why you see adverts on d i d etc that say the sale excludes miele apple etc

I forgot about that.I remember being told something about Miele sending payment to the store(meant to take ages) and working on a tiny margin compared to other firms.

Biglad

We put a Siemens dishwasher in our new kitchen 3 years ago and it's on nearly everyday. The best thing on this machine is the "quick" wash which takes anywhere from 23 to 29 minutes!! The machine "senses" how full it is and based on that is chooses the length of time it runs at. Best feature ever encountered on a dishwasher as most other machines run for very much longer on a cycle. We hate doing dishes by hand and with two small children we have enough to run the machine every day.

Loading is simple enough and it has a cutlery basket in stead of those silly drawers for the stuff.

NoseyMike2010

gerarda wrote: »

Thumbs up for Hotpoint, we have one which came with the house 8 years ago and is still going strong, never had a single problem ever.

I 2nd that ... very reliable!

Qualitymark

If I had a big place I'd have two dishwashers, or even three, and use them as cupboards - saves unloading!