upc for all incoming, voip sip for all outgoing

legomanx51v

is there anyway i can have a phone connected or an ata setup so that:
all incoming calls to my regular phone number with upc rings my phone.
But all outgoing calls made from my phone are made through a voip provider of my choice. (eg voipgain)

i know this can be done with two separate phones. Ie. one for recieving upc calls and the other phone (with its own ata) to make voip calls.
But i want to use just one phone for convenience.

Pataman

Yep, I have this setup. Get yourself a linksys spa3102, about €50/60. You connect it after your cisco router, and plug your phones into it. You can set a dial plan in the linksys to route all(or whatever calls you want)outgoing calls via the internet( I use voipgain). Incoming calls ring as normal over the upc network. Quite simple.

legomanx51v

Thats brilliant, i will still have my regular number, use voipgain to call irish landlines for free, and have one phone do it all!

Anything else that may be usefull to know?

Pataman

Nope thats about all

legomanx51v

awesome, thanks a lot. I will report back when upc get my broadband connected in january.

legomanx51v

looking at the PAP2T and spa3102.
it looks like the pap2t wont allow me to do what i want, so i should get the spa3102.
i think.

championc

Go for the SPA3102. On failure of it or your internet connection, calls will automatically route out over UPC which is a useful backup to have in a worst case scenario. I personally use Rynga.com which it another one of the Betamax companies. Rynga give 120 Freedays and Irish mobiles are just 7c per min !!

And as for the dial plan, here's mine

(1800x.<:@gw0&gt;|999S0<:@gw0&gt;|10S0<:@gw0&gt;|<2:012>x.S0|<3:013>x.S0|<4:014>x.S0|<5:015>x.S0|<6:016>x.S0|<7:017>x.S0|<8:018>x.S0|0x.S0|00x.S0|15!|1850!|1890!|118xx!)

What you have here is 1800, 999 and 10 (Operator) are all via UPC. Then any number starting with 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8, prefix them with a 01 and send via Internet. Then any numbers beginning with 0 or 00 are sent directly to the Internet unmodified. Finally, I barr the dialing of 15xxx numbers, 1850's or 1890's or 118's. I blocked the 1850 numbers on the basis that I feel that they all have normal Dublin or other county landline numbers.

legomanx51v

just fyi voipgains rates are 5.7c to irish mobile but they only give 90 freedays.
And in your dialplan what about irish mobile numbers? Should you not add a rule for them or is that what the <0x.S0> is for?

Pataman

My dial plan is similar to championc except I direct all 18xx numbers through upc, bar all 118xx(ie directory) numbers, there is a phone book, they are just to lazy to use it. I set my 08 as <08:003538>xxxxxxxxS0. I set the number of x's so when the number is dialled it doesnt wait for more digits,ie it knows 7 digits are after the 08x.
Also with voipgain you have to use the country code therefore the above plan would be:
<2:0035312>xxxxxxS0|<3:0035313>xxxxxxS0| etc

championc

legomanx51v wrote: »

just fyi voipgains rates are 5.7c to irish mobile but they only give 90 freedays.
And in your dialplan what about irish mobile numbers? Should you not add a rule for them or is that what the <0x.S0> is for?

I read in another post somewhere that while this was the advertised rate per minute, apparently the persons first minute charge, from memory, turned out to be 0.08c. Some of these companies can be crafty and have an ADDITIONAL Call Setup Charge. So on the face of it, they may look cheap but ....

While I have the 120 Freedays, I can't see myself getting as far as 120 days without needing to top up the credit.

Pataman, are you sure you cannot dial Irish numbers with just the Area Code + Number. It seems strange that one Betamax company would work and another not. For the non-geographic 1-850 or 1-890 numbers, is UPC cheaper than using the VoIP route ?


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Pataman

championc wrote: »

Pataman, are you sure you cannot dial Irish numbers with just the Area Code + Number. It seems strange that one Betamax company would work and another not. For the non-geographic 1-850 or 1-890 numbers, is UPC cheaper than using the VoIP route ?


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I tried it with just the area code and number and some fella with a dutch accent told me to place the 00 + the full country code before the number. As regards 1890/50 numbers, I am not sure which is cheapest but I want this to be wife and children proof, ie they dont even know its there, rather than asking if the company has an Irish gegraphic number.

championc

Ahh. the beauty of the SPA3102. You can do so much under the covers and the rest of the family can just make the phonecalls they want and be completely unaware as to how their calls connect to their destination.


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steedevaney

legomanx51v wrote: »

is there anyway i can have a phone connected or an ata setup so that:
all incoming calls to my regular phone number with upc rings my phone.
But all outgoing calls made from my phone are made through a voip provider of my choice. (eg voipgain)

i know this can be done with two separate phones. Ie. one for recieving upc calls and the other phone (with its own ata) to make voip calls.
But i want to use just one phone for convenience.

Hi, would the reverse of this be possible with a Linksys WRP400?

legomanx51v

back again with another question. whats the story with caller ID? i know if i ring using voipgain or other providers it does not have any ID.
can i somehow set one?
setting it to my regular landline number, so that when i leave a missed call people can see it was me and call back?

championc

You CAN get Caller ID. Go into the App that you downloaded to your PC, login, and then Click on File, View Personal Profile. You've possibly forgotten to Verify your numbers in here.


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championc

Hey Legoman

Did you get yourself a 3102 yet ?

legomanx51v

not yet, im waiting for upc to port my number over.
when they do ill order it from elara for 60ish eur.

ill post back when i get it!

championc

So who are you using for your outbound calls now ? With one of the VoIP suppliers, you could still be quids up if you went ahead now.

A word of warning to anyone going with a Linksys SPA3102. I had Echoing problems and also had some backround Bings and Dings (some using Betamax might have experienced this). It wasn't every call but occasionally. Anyway, I finally sorted it by setting the Codec for G.711u (Yes "U", NOT "A") and set the Use Pref Codec Only to YES. With 8mb, I've plenty of bandwidth so no worries using G.711


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Benolam

Pataman wrote: »

My dial plan is similar to championc except I direct all 18xx numbers through upc, bar all 118xx(ie directory) numbers, there is a phone book, they are just to lazy to use it. I set my 08 as <08:003538>xxxxxxxxS0. I set the number of x's so when the number is dialled it doesnt wait for more digits,ie it knows 7 digits are after the 08x.
Also with voipgain you have to use the country code therefore the above plan would be:
<2:0035312>xxxxxxS0|<3:0035313>xxxxxxS0| etc

In this example (and also championic's) the routing options are either Voipgain or UPC. I guess that routing through UPC is via the PSTN connection on the Linksys 3102. I don't have a UPC 'PSTN' line from the cable modem, I have Blueface. If I want to route to both Blueface and Voipgain how do I set the Proxy in the Linksys? Is it sip.blueface.ie or sip.voipgain.com? Also my username and password are different between providers, so this will cause complications in the Line setup screen. Bottomline question is: Can I select between two VoIP providers in a single 3102>

championc

From memory the SPA3102 is supposed to be able to handle up to 4 sip accounts but i still haven't found out how to do it although i haven't really searched

Benolam

I got Viopgain setup on my laptop and bought €10 credit. With VAT & handling change it cost me €12.19. This is a 21.9% hike. My first call to a mobile was for 61 secs. It cost 17c.

Calls to Irish mobiles are 5c/m, plus a setup charge of 3.9c (rounded to 4c) per call.

Charge appears to be per minute, so this what it really costs.

Up to 1 min, 10.85 c/m
Up to 2 mins, 8.47 c/m
Up to 4 mins, 7.28 c/m
Up to 5 mins, 7.05 c/m

From the laptop local calls need the 01 prefix. Mobiles can be called using 08x. No ‘+353’ required. Outgoing caller ID is OK.

I want to set it up on the Linksys 3102 next. This is the dialplan with Blueface.

(*xx|[3469]11|0|00|[2-9]xxxxxx|1xxx[2-9]xxxxxxS0|xxxxxxxxxxxx.)

Can anyone explain what it means. I guess I will have to change it to move to Viopgain.

Pateman you kindly offered to send me your callplan.

championc

Hi there

FIrstly, I use Rynga. Yes, I was charged VAT on top of my €10 but with Rynga, there is no call setup change and no vat on the advertised rate. So calls to Irish mobiles are 0.07c per min (so 0.14c for 61 - 120 secs, 0.21 for 121+ etc.)

As for the Dial Plan, it's really quite easy and mine should help you make you own adjustments although you can possibly use mine straight as is.

(1800x.<:@gw0&gt;|999S0<:@gw0&gt;|10S0<:@gw0&gt;|<2:012>x.S0|<3:013>x.S0|<4:014>x.S0|<5:015>x.S0|<6:016>x.S0|<7:017>x.S0|<8:018>x.S0|0x.S0|00x.S0|15!|1850!|1890!|118xx!)

<:gw0> means go via the phoneline connected to the SPA3102 and without this means via the VoIP. S0 is dial immediately rather than waiting for a few seconds. x. means any values

1800x.<:@gw0&gt; - Dial 1 800 numbers via the PSTN Line
999S0<:@gw0&gt; or 10S0<:@gw0&gt; - Dial 999 or 10 (Operator) immediately via the PSTN Line
<2:012>x.S0 - replace the first digit 2 with a 012. This and the following rules for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 are for calling Dublin Numbers. It basically inserts a 01 automatically before dialing the number immediately over VoIP
0x.S0 or 00x.S0 - Dial any numbers beginning with 0 or 00 immediately over VoIP
15! or 1850! or 1890! or 118xx! - Block dialing any numbers beginning with 15, 1850, 1890 or 118. The 1850 or 1890 numbers are non-geographic and so are chargable. Very often, there is a Landline equivalent which then would be free.

Hope this helps


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Benolam

Thanks for the reply and dialplan help.
I have got Voipgain running on my DECT phone. I made the changes in the 3102. I can dial local, mobile, national etc, so that's progress. Only one problem. I have no incoming calls. In the 3102 I replaced blueface with voipgain (sip.blueface.ie / sip.voipgain.com) as my SIP service provider. I guess that as I have 'disconnected' Blueface I have lost my incoming calls. I don't have a PSTN for incoming. Any ideas?

Regards.:mad:

championc

I remember seeing somewhere that the SPA3102 supports up to 4 accounts. I finally found the following so it would seem that you setup the gui with the incoming sip details for blueface and then use the dialplan to define the outbound provider within it.

Setting up multiple providers:
The Linksys SPA3102 has four methods for making outbound calls from the plugged in telephone. A registered SIP provider, the PSTN line, four gateway slots configurable directly in the web interface or a dial plan configured provider. The dial plan decides which of the four to dial through. Consider this dial plan - each piece is separated by a | symbol:
([4569]11S0<:@gw0&gt;|1800xxxxxxxS0<:@gw0&gt;|1595xxxxxxx.<:@gw1&gt; |1843xxxxx.<:@someprovider.com:5060;usr=userid;pwd=password>|1xxxxxxxxxx)

Therefore, to call a Dublin Number beginning with the number 2 or 3 etc. use voipgain, I think you would amend the dialplan like this:-
|<2:012>x.S0<:@sip.voipgain.com:5060;usr=userid;pwd=password>|<3:013>x.S0<:@sip.voipgain.com:5060;usr=userid;pwd=password>|...... etc.


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Benolam

That did it. I put this string

|08xxxxxxx.S0<:@sip.voipgain.com:5060;usr=userid;pwd=password>|

into the dialplan and now all calls to Irish mobiles are via Voipgain at about 6/7 cent per min.

Many thanks for your help.

Slight problem though, there is no outgoing caller ID on these outgoing call. (A small price to pay).

malachy47

I can't recall exactly which field it is. I do know it's on the sip credentials screen and is possibly the Auth ID field. Anyway you put in 003538xxxxxxxx , i.e. the number you used to validate and to which Batamax(Voipgain) confirmed via text and you're good to go.

This is from memory, so apologies for lack of detail but I know it called ID can be done with these devices and Betamax.

Johnboy1951

championc wrote: »

Hi there

FIrstly, I use Rynga. Yes, I was charged VAT on top of my €10 but with Rynga, there is no call setup change and no vat on the advertised rate. So calls to Irish mobiles are 0.07c per min (so 0.14c for 61 - 120 secs, 0.21 for 121+ etc.)

You have already paid the VAT on the money you are using for those calls, so VAT should be added to the call costs to get the true cost to you.
As you did not state what amount of VAT was charged on the €10, let us assume for a moment it was €2 and the €10 credit cost €12.

That would make the 7c per min call charge an actual charge of 8.4c per minute.

If there are set up fees charged for 'top up' those should also be added into the actual costs.
So in this case if, for the €10 credit, you were charged €2 VAT and say €1 setup charge the cost per minute charge for using that credit would be 9.1c per minute.

I am testing one of those services presently, which charges 9c per minute.
But I have paid €12.60 (including VAT and top up setup charge) for that €10 credit.
So the call costs are actually 9x1.26 = 11.34c per minute on this service.

regards.

legomanx51v

Woohooo! My spa1302 arrived today!
Im a little bit excited for some reason.

Gonna spend some time messing about with it

legomanx51v

After messing with the spa3102 for days...

1. I have two dect phones in my house, a panasonic and a siemens. the panasonic works with the spa3102 fine. the siemens does not. it dials the number and immediately gives me a fast busy tone! somehow the spa3102 is not recognizing the dialing of the siemens.

2. voipgain are annoying me. i had an account for over a month, made several purchases, and the option of credit card or paypal never became available. So I setup a new account and the credit card/paypal options were available immediately. i purchased 10eur credit with paypal and straight away the paypal option disappeared! I want to pay via paypal and i could only do it once. aaargh!