anitfreeze in ag Diesel?

Muckit

Is there antifreeze in diesel?

irishh_bob

Muckit wrote: »

Is there antifreeze in diesel?

my jeep wouldnt start this morning despite being in a straw shed last night

bbam

I know there used to be a "winter diesel" but I think it was rated to -10 regions.. Don't know if they do it seperately now or if it's standard...
I've read that a small ammount of pereol added does the trick but never done it..
-12.9 was the worst here and no problems with the diesel, tractrors or car.

vanderbadger

bbam wrote: »

I know there used to be a "winter diesel" but I think it was rated to -10 regions.. Don't know if they do it seperately now or if it's standard...
I've read that a small ammount of pereol added does the trick but never done it..
-12.9 was the worst here and no problems with the diesel, tractrors or car.

ya lorry driver told me put a 1/2L petrol in with tank of diesel in case of tractor to stop freezing..didnt ever try it now

MfMan

Oil tanker driver told me put in a small amount of kerosene.

barryoc1

I thought Kerosene was similar to diesel and could freeze without antifreeze in it?? Just askin the question really. And the agri diesel around here doesnt seem to be treated cause the diesel was frozen in my tractor last week. Injector pump is now after going in it. Dont know if it was partly due to drivin it in the frosty weather and diesel may have been kinda frozen.

Muckit

I'd say with the severe cold we're gettin' whatever antifreezing properties diesel might have are no good under -10...possibly??:rolleyes:

I'm sure the yanks have ways and means around it?

Seen a lad goin the road today with a newish Zetor. He'd the grilles in the front all taped up..... possibly to insulate the cells in the battery??

We changed the battery and the two fuel filters on our NH, anything to help ensure she stays going. Don't fancy having to barrow silage out of the pit!:D Promised a thaw from St. Stephen's I think.....

johngalway

Muckit wrote: »

Seen a lad goin the road today with a newish Zetor. He'd the grilles in the front all taped up..... possibly to insulate the cells in the battery??

He's been watching Ice Road Truckers

reilig

Muckit wrote: »

I'd say with the severe cold we're gettin' whatever antifreezing properties diesel might have are no good under -10...possibly??:rolleyes:

I'm sure the yanks have ways and means around it?

Seen a lad goin the road today with a newish Zetor. He'd the grilles in the front all taped up..... possibly to insulate the cells in the battery??

We changed the battery and the two fuel filters on our NH, anything to help ensure she stays going. Don't fancy having to barrow silage out of the pit!:D Promised a thaw from St. Stephen's I think.....

Our MF 168 has started first turn every morning in this frost after heating her for 30 seconds. Got the head done on it last winter because if the temp dropped below 5 degrees, she used to struggle to start. Have a 35x for putting in bales and she doesn't even have to be heated these mornings - she goes instantly. Both are kept in a shed and we pack around the engines with a few silage wraps for insulation. The hedge cutter is still on the NH. Had hoped to get into some fields to trim hedges, but have found that under the snow the ground has not frozen and I would be leaving tracks if i went in. Thaw is coming on christmas night according to all weather reports. It may start as snow but will turn into rain over sunday, monday and tuesday and should clear everything. Fingers crossed.

marlyman

add som stanadyne fuel additive to the diesel. stops it freezing and also disperses the water droplets in the diesel to stop the filters clogging (tier 3 engines and up)

pajero12

Muckit wrote: »

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Seen a lad goin the road today with a newish Zetor. He'd the grilles in the front all taped up..... possibly to insulate the cells in the battery??

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We did that on the bus to school this morning! The air was so cold,The water in the radiator wasnt heating atall so it was only cold air coming through the heater..A roll of silage tape solved that problem quickly

tabby aspreme

Diesel supplied before november will be summer diesel and may freeze ,i put a small amount of petrol in mine and its fine even at minus 17 last january , kerosene will also do the same and is safer than petrol , a few years ago i gave some traveller ladies kerosene to get there hiace going , it had run out of diesel and i had none to give them ,the van started and disappeared down the road in a blue smoke haze met them on the road later that day van back on diesel and runnin fine

sh1tstirrer

I bought diesel during the summer and it didn't freeze last night the coldest night so far. My local mechanic says he has to laugh when he hears people talking about diesel freezing. Before the frost he could name every farmer that would ring him with diesel problems. Sure enough the same fellas he named rang the morning of the first frost. He went out to them and they all had the same problem clogged up fuel filters.

5live

My JD started this morning and pushed in the feed and fed the weanlings. I revved her up for a few minutes and then stopped her and carried the kids to school. Came back and started her to carry a bit of hay to the sheep and she conked out after 300 yards. Dead. She is turning over but wont start. The filters only changed 4 months ago along with fuel pump and the symptoms are exactly the same. Any ideas?

Dupont

id say its a diesel problem.probaly sludging up.started the teleporter at work yesterday with jump leads and left it running but it conked out after 10 minutes. started it again but only ran for few seconds then wouldnt run at all. put half a drum of fresh diesel in it and away it went for the day;) i think it was diesel cos checked the mixer yesterday morning and there was a sort of ice forming/sludge on the top:eek:

Muckit

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

I bought diesel during the summer and it didn't freeze last night the coldest night so far. My local mechanic says he has to laugh when he hears people talking about diesel freezing. Before the frost he could name every farmer that would ring him with diesel problems. Sure enough the same fellas he named rang the morning of the first frost. He went out to them and they all had the same problem clogged up fuel filters.

hmmmm... interesting, hardly ever small bits of ice that clogged the filters....:rolleyes:

Figerty

I had the same problem last weekend with a Ford 4000. Started grand with a little easystart (she is getting old). Ran for about 20 minutes and stopped. Fuel starvation.

Got out the heat gun, heated the Diesel tank but no go. Drained the tank and took of the tap. Load of Sh*te in the tap itself and the diesel had gone into a wax around the filter. The dirt in the tank tap had frozen and blocked the tap, so I cleaned it and the filter... first time in 35 years I would guess.

I looked into the tank with a small lamp and there was about a half inch of ice in the bottom of the tank. So with the tap out and the tank drained it stuck in the heat gun and melted it and drained it out. Flushed it out a few times with diesel and put it all back together. Up she went first turn.

I meant to do it last summer,, I wish I had, wouldn't have had to thaw out my fingers.

sh1tstirrer

Muckit wrote: »

hmmmm... interesting, hardly ever small bits of ice that clogged the filters.

Any ice is more than likely water in diesel.

Figerty

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

Any ice is more than likely water in diesel.

Correct. Diesel absorbs water, when it freezes it seperates.
Diesel turns waxy if it hasn't got the right additive.

5live

Thanks for the info guys and sorry to take it off topic. Just what is the difference so between summer and winter diesel? What is added to keep it liquid to a lower degree than summer diesel

Enderol

Talked to a lad in the garage below and he said you could add kerosine to diesel to stop that waxy build up but wasn't sure what mix. Called south petroleum (I think that'd the name) and they said a mix at 1 kerosine to 10 diesel.
Does this seem right?

I did get a fill of winter diesel (about 400 litres) in on top of what was left in the tank (about 150/200)

Dupont

de old boys van started this morning but conked out 100 yards up de road and then would only go 20 yards and kept having to restart. got it to garage and changed fuel filter and there was ice on it. main dealer garage told him to put gallon of petrol in to a full tank of diesel

Big_Evil

Couple of diferent things here - Diesel (both summer & winter) has changed recently, apparantly, there is some sort of additive in it (EU directive) that apparantly makes it better for the environment. Basically, what this means is that fuel filters clog up a lot quicker than they did previously. Cold weather amplifies this effect, as whatever this stuff is, it is gunk in normal weather but turns to frozen sludge in the cold.
Regular servicing is vital here - recommendation is to services filters well in advance of scheduled change.

Second point of note: Diesel suppliers are legally obliged to supply winter deisel in winter months that contains an additive to reduce the freezing point of diesel - from memory (open to correction here), normal, straight up diesel has a freezing point of -12, additive is supposed to bring the freezing point to -17.

There has been stories where suppliers continued to supply summer diesel into the winter months, however, unsubstantiated stories.

Long story short: regularly inspect and service your filters, get your diesel from a reputable source, and try to keep our tractor inside a shed in the cold weather, and insulate it if possible, like a previous poster, silage wrap around the engine bay or something similar.

pakalasa

I changed my fuel filters on my 35 yr old david Brown only 2 weeks ago. I change them every year, but this time I couldn't believe the difference it made. The engine was idling over a lot smoother.

Having read the last few posts, I'm glad I did it before the recent cold weather.

Newer tractors have only one filter. Crazy!

snowman707

haven't read all the posts so sorry if I am repeating some thing that has being stated

In frosty conditions ( like now) it is advisable to keep all (tractor and main)fuel storage tanks as full as possible, it helps to reduce condensation and thus water content of fuel

replace tractor fuel filters regularly, try to use ones that have a water drain off and drain once a week

if you have a modern machine adding unleaded petrol to diesel could prove very costly

I mentioned on a previous thread re putting a filtering system on the outlet hose from your storage tank, this will be even more relevant after 1st january as new emission regs. will mean the diesel supplied will be more prone to water contamination

using a funnel with a gauze is useless for water


we have ran tractors to well over 20k hours and diesel cars to 300k miles and we have never ever touched an injector or an injector pump

best to buy your fuel from November onwards and buy from a reputable company

bbam

pakalasa wrote: »

I changed my fuel filters on my 35 yr old david Brown only 2 weeks ago. I change them every year, but this time I couldn't believe the difference it made. The engine was idling over a lot smoother.

Having read the last few posts, I'm glad I did it before the recent cold weather.

Newer tractors have only one filter. Crazy!

Yeah we find for Our DB996, change the filters in October/November and stick in a new heater plug, starts fine, never need the coldstart on the pump since we started that.
Battery is goosed so have it on the charger overnight, timer kicks in 4 hours before I need her so it will keep going until a battery is got.

Muckit

pakalasa wrote: »

I changed my fuel filters on my 35 yr old david Brown only 2 weeks ago.
Newer tractors have only one filter. Crazy!

Is that newer David Browns you are talking about? Our NH has two fuel filters

funkey_monkey

Just skim read this, so it might be a repeat.

Suppliers here provide two main types of diesel - summer mix and winter mix. As you'd expect, the winter mix is created for our winter weather conditions. It has a lower freezing point and more resistance to waxing.

If you get a fill in summer to your bulk tank chances are that you'll be running around now with diesel fuel which is not designed to operate correctly in these weather conditions. (Actually, our winter mix probably has not been designed with these prolonged extreme conditions either).

As for putting petrol into the diesel to stop is freezing - DO NOT DO THIS! It will cause your seals to perish. The best thing to do is to get some proper winter additive from your supplier.


HTH.