Limousin Bulls Muscle Scores

Munster Magic

Does anyone know where I could find out the bull with the highest muscle score? I have checked the AI bulls and the highest is Vivaldi with 138 but is there anywhere I can find out the highest of all bulls?

pakalasa

The highest scored Limousin bull is Milou-MN (MXM) with a score of 146. Vivaldi is in 8th place overall.

Just go to the On-line Herdbook on the Irish Limousin Webpage and do a search under muscle (choose >124). Sort then according to muscle (Click on Mus on the 3rd last column.

http://193.120.218.17/taurus/herdbook/index.php?org_code=LM

See attached results;

Munster Magic

pakalasa wrote: »

The highest scored Limousin bull is Milou-MN (MXM) with a score of 146. Vivaldi is in 8th place overall.

Just go to the On-line Herdbook on the Irish Limousin Webpage and do a search under muscle (choose >124). Sort then according to muscle (Click on Mus on the 3rd last column.

http://193.120.218.17/taurus/herdbook/index.php?org_code=LM

See attached results;

Thanks for that, just wondering as I have a bull with a score of 143 so just wanted an idea how good/bad that would be

pakalasa

What's his breeding?
Any chance of a few photos?

Munster Magic

pakalasa wrote: »

What's his breeding?
Any chance of a few photos?

sire is rocky and ideal23 breeding on the cows side, search for Meenross Frosty on the herdbook

will try and put up a few photos this evening

snowman707

Munster Magic wrote: »

sire is rocky and ideal23 breeding on the cows side, search for Meenross Frosty on the herdbook

will try and put up a few photos this evening

looks the business, you bought the dam from Donal?

Munster Magic

snowman707 wrote: »

looks the business, you bought the dam from Donal?

ya, she is a good one alright, first calf sold for €3000 in roscrea

leg wax

Munster Magic wrote: »

Thanks for that, just wondering as I have a bull with a score of 143 so just wanted an idea how good/bad that would be

is the muscle score that you are talking about on the bull or what the muscle that the bull can pass on to his calves if you know what i mean .

pakalasa

It's the later, the genetic value it is likely to pass on to it's offspring.

BLUP - MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT:
Used to estimate the ability of the bull to transmit high muscling ability and shape to his progeny

The reliability (%) of an index is based on a number of factors;
- the amount of information from the animal itself
- the amount of information from the relatives of the animal
- the heritability of the traits
- the genetic correlations between traits
- the size and genetics within the contemporary group
From
http://www.irishlimousin.com/html/understanding_indexes.html

Munster Magic

hope this works, photos arent great

he was 502kg when he was scored and he was 9 months old then

Bitten & Hisses

Looks the business. I wouldn't mind having a cow with his dam's breeding.

Munster Magic

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Looks the business. I wouldn't mind having a cow with his dam's breeding.

ya she is a great cow to be fair, im only starting out and its good to have one so good to start with

Nutcase

Munster Magic wrote: »

ya she is a great cow to be fair, im only starting out and its good to have one so good to start with

how much did you pay for a good cow like here 2 start with if ye dont mind me askin MM??

vanderbadger

Munster Magic wrote: »

sire is rocky and ideal23 breeding on the cows side, search for Meenross Frosty on the herdbook

will try and put up a few photos this evening

SBV value €198
wow thats must highest value ive seen on a bull

reilig

Munster Magic wrote: »

ya she is a great cow to be fair, im only starting out and its good to have one so good to start with

Are you feeding him inside?? I have my fellow outside and he has a lovely coat of hair, is very clean and doing quite well. When he was scored at 9 months he was 565kg but he doesn't have scores any way as good as yours.

When do you plan selling him?

Hopefully my fellow will be sold in the February or March sales.

Munster Magic

Nutcase wrote: »

how much did you pay for a good cow like here 2 start with if ye dont mind me askin MM??

paid 5000, she was incalf to Sympa and her time was up. wouldnt pay that these days, prices down alot over the last 18 months or so

I bought at the wrong time and sold at the wrong time:rolleyes:

Munster Magic

reilig wrote: »

Are you feeding him inside?? I have my fellow outside and he has a lovely coat of hair, is very clean and doing quite well. When he was scored at 9 months he was 565kg but he doesn't have scores any way as good as yours.

When do you plan selling him?

Hopefully my fellow will be sold in the February or March sales.

he is inside but we let him out for a couple of hours most days

planning on bringing him to Roscrea in March all going well

Nutcase

Munster Magic wrote: »

paid 5000, she was incalf to Sympa and her time was up. wouldnt pay that these days, prices down alot over the last 18 months or so

I bought at the wrong time and sold at the wrong time:rolleyes:

that was a rite price alright i suppose its worth it though if shes producing calves with figures like that.. I noticed some on done deal a few months ago maiden heifers were around €2000 looked like nice heifers!!

foundation10

pakalasa wrote: »

It's the later, the genetic value it is likely to pass on to it's offspring.

BLUP - MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT:
Used to estimate the ability of the bull to transmit high muscling ability and shape to his progeny

The reliability (%) of an index is based on a number of factors;
- the amount of information from the animal itself
- the amount of information from the relatives of the animal
- the heritability of the traits
- the genetic correlations between traits
- the size and genetics within the contemporary group
From
http://www.irishlimousin.com/html/understanding_indexes.html

I am changing bulls at present and looking to buy a limousin. I sell off all weanlings so am looking for a bull that will produce nice muscled calves. What should I be looking to place most emphasis on the scoring, should it be an overall score for SBV or a high BLUP? as I see some bulls have a high SBV but a low enough BLUP

pakalasa

foundation10 wrote: »

I am changing bulls at present and looking to buy a limousin. I sell off all weanlings so am looking for a bull that will produce nice muscled calves. What should I be looking to place most emphasis on the scoring, should it be an overall score for SBV or a high BLUP? as I see some bulls have a high SBV but a low enough BLUP

If you're selling off ALL your weanlings then firstly look at the weanling value for the bull on the ICBF site. Secondly look at the BLUP values. It depends on what type of cows you have. If they tend to be lacking in muscle but have plenty of frame, then go with a high muscle value. If they lack frame, but are fine for muscle, then pay more attention to the Skelatal value. Very generic, I know, but that's what they reccomend. Forget about SBV, it's all the sub-indexes lumped into one, so better to concentrate soley on the weanling index, if you're selling weanlings.

foundation10

Thanks Pakalasa.

Yes cows with have a good frame but lack muscle.

Any good bulls within Limousin to watch for that produce good muscle?

pakalasa

foundation10 wrote: »

Thanks Pakalasa.

Yes cows with have a good frame but lack muscle.

Any good bulls within Limousin to watch for that produce good muscle?

Bulls in AI such as;
Rocky - (ROX) Muscle BLUP - 122
ARDLEA DAN - (ADX) Muscle BLUP - 129
Vivaldi - (VIV) Muscle BLUP - 136
SYMPA - (SYP) Muscle BLUP - 128

There are loads really. Watch calving figures too. High muscle bulls tend to be hard calving.

Munster Magic

foundation10 wrote: »

I am changing bulls at present and looking to buy a limousin. I sell off all weanlings so am looking for a bull that will produce nice muscled calves. What should I be looking to place most emphasis on the scoring, should it be an overall score for SBV or a high BLUP? as I see some bulls have a high SBV but a low enough BLUP

there is a sale in Roscrea on 31st October, you will have plenty of choice there, might be bringing 1 myself all going well