Who will 10% paycut effect??

tadgho

Anyone know who the 10% pay cut for teachers will effect, i've heard that if you have a 'teacher number' by 31st December the paycut will not apply to you. Is this true?? Im a student teacher, and if this is true, it would perhaps be worthwhile trying to get a subbing day next week, so I can get a teacher number. Anyone know anything regarding this?? Thanks in advance for all help.

byhookorbycrook

you might get a better response on educationposts.ie

implausible

tadgho wrote: »

i've heard that if you have a 'teacher number' by 31st December the paycut will not apply to you. Is this true??

To be blunt, this sounds like nonsense. If you're not a qualified teacher, you can't get a 'teacher number' (I presume you mean a registration number with the Teaching Council).

The paycut will apply to all new entrants to the public service. As you are a student teacher, you won't be qualified until next year and will be a new entrant in September.

There was a huge discussion which took in this point here

maynooth_rules

You will be delighted to know that it doesn't affect the new politicians who get in in the next election. Good old Fianna Fail, always promoting equality:rolleyes:

EoghanRua

maynooth_rules wrote: »

You will be delighted to know that it doesn't affect the new politicians who get in in the next election. Good old Fianna Fail, always promoting equality:rolleyes:

Unlike FG and Labour who presumably have objected strenuously to this?

tadgho

do you not get a registration number if you do subbing?

spurious

tadgho wrote: »

do you not get a registration number if you do subbing?

You really need to do some research on your chosen career, from the (non) availability of jobs to the procedures for getting registered so that you have even a chance at a job. I'm astonished anyone in this day and age entered teacher training without knowing this.

See: http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/registration_information/default.asp?NCID=480

Toto Wolfcastle

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xt40

the "Teacher Number" that the op is referring to is probably the DEpt ofEd payroll Number which is internally known as a "Teacher Number".
I myself am very interested in this question as i have a "Teacher Number" that was last used in 1994. ive been teaching since but in private it training rather than secondary school. Im currently doing a postgrad in guidance and was hoping to return to it next year on point 9 (3 +1 year + 5 under the scheme for relevant work experience)
If the situation for me is now 10% less than point 1 , I simply wouldnt be able to feed my family so will have to stick at what im currently doing.

tadgho

yes i mean the dept of Ed payroll number

tadgho

spurious
You really need to do some research on your chosen career, from the (non) availability of jobs to the procedures for getting registered so that you have even a chance at a job. I'm astonished anyone in this day and age entered teacher training without knowing this.

See: http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/regist...t.asp?NCID=480

Who mentioned the availability of jobs in all of this??? and why would a 2nd year student teacher care or even have started to think about procedures for getting registered with the teaching council???? it wasnt one of the main areas of concern when i chose to do a teaching course. :rolleyes:

implausible

xt40 wrote: »

I myself am very interested in this question as i have a "Teacher Number" that was last used in 1994. ive been teaching since but in private it training rather than secondary school. Im currently doing a postgrad in guidance and was hoping to return to it next year on point 9 (3 +1 year + 5 under the scheme for relevant work experience)
If the situation for me is now 10% less than point 1 , I simply wouldnt be able to feed my family so will have to stick at what im currently doing.

If you got onto the payscale in 1994, if the Dept accepts your service for purposes of incremental credit and if the postgrad isn't an issue, then I'd imagine that you are not a new entrant and would be on the old payscale.

tadgho wrote: »

yes i mean the dept of Ed payroll number

Afaik, that number is just an administrative number for purposes of payment. Being registered with the Teaching Council is now what's needed to be recognised as a teacher. If getting paid once by the Dept was all that was required, everyone would be jumping on that bandwagon. In my opinion, you will be a new entrant in September as you are not now a qualified teacher.

spurious

tadgho wrote: »

Who mentioned the availability of jobs in all of this??? and why would a 2nd year student teacher care or even have started to think about procedures for getting registered with the teaching council???? it wasnt one of the main areas of concern when i chose to do a teaching course. :rolleyes:

Fair enough. Two more years is not a long time. The non-availability of jobs will be an issue for you, whether you believe it or not.
Forewarned is best armed.

xt40

spurious, the price of bananas might also be of great concern to the op in the future but is however, equally unrelated to his/her question.

spurious

xt40 wrote: »

spurious, the price of bananas might also be of great concern to the op in the future but is however, equally unrelated to his/her question.

I stand corrected. Obviously the fact that there will be no paycheck for the OP to lose 10% from ('teacher number' or not) is not relevant.

Silly me. Thanks for the backseat mod.

tadgho

so what ye are saying lads is that there is no truth in what i heard regarding the effect of the pay cut on teachers with a pay roll number, right???:o

dambarude

There's a substantial difference between routes into primary and secondary school teaching, and I think why the differences in opinion are arising here.

For primary teaching, you do one of the B.Ed/Postgrad courses and, if you're lucky enough to get a job, you do your 'Dip' while working. Then you're qualified. For that reason the Teaching Council is of little interest or practical importance to prospective primary school teachers.

Secondary school teaching is a different ball game- there are few degrees that are recognised for direct entry into the profession, and for that reason matters relating to accreditation (and the body that regulates it) arise.

The only reason I know anything about the Teaching Council (I'm doing primary teaching) is because I spent quite a while thinking about doing secondary teaching when I was in LC, and looking at the teaching potential of certain degrees invariably came up. That, and seeing the complaints made by the majority about the Teaching Council on here.

Regarding the whole 'I've subbed so I won't have the 10% cut if and when I start teaching' thing, there's quite a bit of talk about in college. It's no more than wishful thinking. The pay reduction is the least of our worries unfortunately.