17hmr

hi just bought a 17hmr and waiting for the license to come back.
just wondering if i need to buy a moderator for it?whats is the effective range of the rifle and would it be able to put down a fox at over 100 yards? thanks

fiestaman

I think you should have checked them things out before you bought it. A silencer will help some bit not a huge difference. It will put a fox down out to 150 but CAN YOU do that??

thanks
have looked up a bit about the gun alright but just wanted to hear from people who use the 17.alot of people were trying to convince me to get a .22wmr instead. more than likely cant.ive only shot a few rounds out of a rifle in my life, been mainly using a shotgun upto now

fiestaman

Thats fair enough. Id stick with .17 rather than .22wmr. Lots of lads ere using .17. Buy gun and get plenty of practice. Make sure you can put 5 bullets one after the other into a 1.5" Target @ 100yrds max. then move out to 120 up to 150. Really you wouldnt want to be shooting fox further than 120 to be honest. could shoot crows,magpies out to 150.

thanks
id say thats easier said than done
hopefully will have license in next few weeks and can start some practice

kildare.17hmr

well capable of droping foxes at 150 and beyond, iv had a few at that range with no problems. i did put about 250-300 rounds through paper and other targets at different distances to get familliar with the gun before going after a longer range fox. shot placement is very important and being comfortable taking the shot, not just shooting because you see one! iv let a few walk away because they were out of range or the shot was not safe to take

what rifle did you get?

its a cz 452 varmint heavy barrel,picked it fairly cheap wasnt to sure if the heavy barrel made any difference,does it apart from being heavy?

garv123

im looking into getting one soon too fingers crossed and i'd a great read about the gun on this site

http://varmintal.com/17hmr.htm

shows the difference between the two bullets too on lots of different targets.

also has good charts about bullet drop etc for long shots.


i found a good link where 3 people testes all the hmr modifiers and had a reall good review. il look for it better later and post it up for u to have a read.
turned out nyway the ony for 50pound was better than the 100+ ones and they said it was really quite.


also is it threaded for a mod and did you apply for one on your licence?

thanks for the info
no its not threaded and i didnt apply for a mod never crossed my mind at the time but the more i read about them it sounds like i might need one.the fields that i would plan on shooting in mainly have alot of sheep and cattle in them and would prefer not cause too much of a stir when shooting

johngalway

HMR is a bunny/vermin rifle, not a fox rifle. I own one, that's my opinion and others will disagree In the right circumstances sure, but to buy one specially for foxing, I wouldn't.

kildare.17hmr

johngalway wrote: »

HMR is a bunny/vermin rifle, not a fox rifle. I own one, that's my opinion and others will disagree In the right circumstances sure, but to buy one specially for foxing, I wouldn't.

I agree, if your lookin for a dedicated fox gun go 223 or 204, less room for error

im still a student and dont think could afford anything bigger
plenty of rabbits to be shooting anyway just iv seen a few foxes at close enough range when been out with lamp and shotgun but never close enough

tfox

<bert> wrote: »

its a cz 452 varmint heavy barrel,picked it fairly cheap wasnt to sure if the heavy barrel made any difference,does it apart from being heavy?

Have a heavy model .17HMR, dont know if it makes any difference but like the weight and look of it !! Also the straight barrel makes it nice and easy to thread

As already said it's not a dedicated fox round but a great all rounder !! have a .223 but TBH shoot more with the .17 as its generally the one I bring mowt of the time. Great for corvids and bunnies out to 200+, foxes at 120 no problem, nice cheap rounds !!

garv123

<bert> wrote: »

im still a student and dont think could afford anything bigger
plenty of rabbits to be shooting anyway just iv seen a few foxes at close enough range when been out with lamp and shotgun but never close enough

im in the same boat and from what i have read here and from other people here the hmr would suit me down to the ground as at 100 yards is still a decent shot for a newbie(imo) like myself and as said it would knock a fox at that range at that distance.(with the confidence and shot placement) im hoping to get one for the summer when im off from college.
you are aware i hope that you will have to send a letter to your local super for a mod with the reasons why you want it. ( theres a great cover letter on here by someone, just copy and change it a little.)

johnner1

garv123 wrote: »

( theres a great cover letter on here by someone, just copy and change it a little.)

i hope your not suggesting he copy and forge a grant letter to use for himself:eek:
he would get locked up for something like that.

tfox

johnner1 wrote: »

i hope your not suggesting he copy and forge a grant letter to use for himself:eek:
he would get locked up for something like that.

I think he means the letter accompanying his application stating why he wants to have a moderator ...?:)

garv123

tfox wrote: »

I think he means the letter accompanying his application stating why he wants to have a moderator ...?:)

yes thats the one im on about :rolleyes:
gives good reasons for needing a mod in it too.

beanie10

fiestaman wrote: »

I think you should have checked them things out before you bought it. A silencer will help some bit not a huge difference. It will put a fox down out to 150 but CAN YOU do that??

I disagree with the silencer part. Ive a marlin 917v and surprisingly loud without silencer. I bought a SAK sound moderator for €60 didnt need to change license or anything but the rifle was threaded. The moderator makes a huge difference, all i hear now is the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

Tackleberrywho

beanie10 wrote: »

I disagree with the silencer part. Ive a marlin 917v and surprisingly loud without silencer. I bought a SAK sound moderator for €60 didnt need to change license or anything but the rifle was threaded. The moderator makes a huge difference, all i hear now is the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

Not sure if a Hmr which is a rimfire needs a mod authorization, Deffo Centrefires do.

The SI of 2008/9 still causes a bit of confusion from time to time.
I'm sure my Old Pal Ezridax will jump in, he is much better at reading up on forms
than I am.

http://www.attorneygeneral.ie/esi/2008/B25960.pdf
Not restricted (I think)
(d) silencers capable of being used only with long rifled rim-fire firearms

It wasn't me!

No moderators are restricted. All moderators require authorisation.

its a bit late now anyway sent the forms away last week.can you buy moderators online doh?cant find too many of them

kildare.17hmr

Most if not all RFDs will have SAK mods, around 50-60 euro

fiestaman

beanie10 wrote: »

I disagree with the silencer part. Ive a marlin 917v and surprisingly loud without silencer. I bought a SAK sound moderator for €60 didnt need to change license or anything but the rifle was threaded. The moderator makes a huge difference, all i hear now is the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

You dont think thats loud no??

tinofapples

<bert> wrote: »

its a cz 452 varmint heavy barrel,picked it fairly cheap wasnt to sure if the heavy barrel made any difference,does it apart from being heavy?

Out of curiosity how cheap was cheap ??

johngalway

HMR really does need a mod, IMO. Worst one I ever heard had a partially disassembled SAK screwed onto the front, pretty much a big muzzle break, awful, awful experience.

It wasn't me!

Have only ever shot .17HMR on a firing range, with hearing protection, and it was modded. How loud is it without the mod? On the same line as centrefire rifles?

garv123

heres that link to the .17 hmr review i said i had somewhere if you havent decided on one yet

http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/rifles/381445/17HMR_calibre_sound_moderators_review_.html

One shot on kill

Well guys if you don't mind me askin what is the hmr. Stand for and what is a22wmr thanks

ormondprop

.22wmr (winchester magnum rimfire) commonly just called a magnum or .22 magnum
.17hmr (hornady magnum rimfire)

the get them names as winchester and hornady first developed the cartridge

One shot on kill

Just out of curiosity are you not suppose to declare if your using a scope to but I just said noting about either and just work away don't be tryin to show. It off either mind

johngalway

One shot on kill wrote: »

Just out of curiosity are you not suppose to declare if your using a scope to but I just said noting about either and just work away don't be tryin to show. It off either mind

What they meant by "scope" there was a night vision scope, not your normal rifle scope.

One shot on kill

Ah right I knew there was something about it all right I just wasn't 100pcent