Full body scanners to be introduced in Dublin Airport

I'm on the government tenders website and got the following today:

The Dublin Airport Authorith wish to procure Body Scanners under a six framework agreement. The proposed solution will be implemented in the Terminals at Dublin Airport. This may be followed at the discretion of the DAA by roll out to any, if all or none of the other remaining DAA terminals in Dublin, Cork and Shannon.

This is ridiculous. An illegal strip search performed by someone who shouldn't have the right to. We live on an Island! There is also no safe level for ionizing radiation, so it'll be interesting to see how many frequent flyers start to develop cancer in the US from these machines.

As Franklin said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

enda1

Come on Papa Smut, surely this is right up your alley!?

undo

Those "porno scanners" as staff in the US call them really are a very bad idea. Security theater at the expense of passenger health.

Germany has been testing them in Hamburg for a while now. So far, the false detection rate is between 95% and 100%. Yes, they are that useless.

Interestingly, whenever they show you the images those things produce, you will see negatives. Try inverting that image in Photoshop and you will see why they are called "porno scanners" - you get a picture of a naked person, all in normal skin color and all. Very scary stuff and a very, very sad development.

As a blogger whose insight I really respect recently said: These things do not work. The proof is simple - Ben-Gurion airport does not use them. If anyone on this planet knows about airport security, it is the Israelis. They evaluated the scanners and rejected them. This is the best proof there can be that these things do not work.

Introducing these things is a very sad populist move.

Fratton Fred

undo wrote: »

As a blogger whose insight I really respect recently said: These things do not work. The proof is simple - Ben-Gurion airport does not use them. If anyone on this planet knows about airport security, it is the Israelis. They evaluated the scanners and rejected them. This is the best proof there can be that these things do not work.

Introducing these things is a very sad populist move.

I'm not sure Israel is a good benchmark. El Al has a three hour check in which includes a ten minute interrogation by Mossad.

I'm not convinced about these scanners, but it may be a condition of Ireland's special immigration status for the US.

keithclancy

Was listening to this on the Radio here,
Dutch guys pronounced the company that makes them "Rapeyschan":eek:

www.rapiscansystems.com

leeroybrown

undo wrote: »

As a blogger whose insight I really respect recently said: These things do not work. The proof is simple - Ben-Gurion airport does not use them. If anyone on this planet knows about airport security, it is the Israelis. They evaluated the scanners and rejected them. This is the best proof there can be that these things do not work.

As Fratton Fred points out above, Israel isn't necessarily the best comparison. They expend far far more time and money per passenger on screening and use an approach that combines both technology and human screening. This gives them a lot of leeway to use whatever screening methods they think fits best. Passenger screening pretty much everywhere else is driven by costs and throughput.

That said, I do think that quite a bit of what is imposed as security is really just a facade.

mikedragon32

And the security theater continues.

Expect the cost to be passed on in increased passenger fees.

lord lucan

I wonder if the US government has pushed the DAA to this as part of allowing full USCBP at DUB & SNN? I see no need for this,makes what is already an aggravating situation at security even more traumatic for many.

Tenger

I intend to hide a latex dildo (don't want to set off the metal detector) in my pants, let see the reaction to the image then...........

I agree with the probability that the US TSA/HSA may well have insisted on them....if DUB/SNN are screening passenger who are entering the US then we would have to comply with the TSA levels of 'security'.

Doom

Cool, I'm gonna apply for a job there....be able to see all you naked ass people

lord lucan

Doom wrote: »

Cool, I'm gonna apply for a job there....be able to see all you naked ass people

There's some people you just don't want to see naked!! :eek::eek:

Can you imagine the scramble amongst the Airport Search Unit men/women to man the scanner every time a hot man/woman is about to pass through!:pac:

robinph

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm not sure Israel is a good benchmark. El Al has a three hour check in which includes a ten minute interrogation by Mossad.

I thought Ben Gurion was one of the most pleasant and efficient airport security checks I've ever been through. Adimtedly you don't get to checkin in your hold baggage until it has been through a scanner and rummaged around in by security, but that is done whilst you are stood there watching them and I'd rather that than just trusting the people behind the scenes once you've handed your bag over.

Then you drop your bags and are going through the metal detector and hand baggage checks about 30 seconds later. Zero queuing and no longer than anywhere else for them to query anything strange you may have had in your bag as they have so many people manning those search points.

Rather than spending millions on a few porno scanner machines, employ a few more security staff and actually acheive something usefull safety wise and make getting through airports more efficient.

Holybejaysus

Do we really even need these things? A sniffer dog and a metal detector seem to do the job just fine.

yawnstretch

Mass rape and the end of human dignity.

If you think I'm going to stand by and be x-rayed every time I travel for the sake of appeasing terrrorphobic twats you've another thing coming.

Give me names. Give me phone numbers. Who is pushing this? Who is selling it. Where do they live.

robinph

This list is from July so there are probably a few more since unfortunately, but here are airports to avoid:

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2010/7/15/173456/975/travel/Updated:+Airports+With+Full-Body+Scanners

kebn

Looks I'm going to get caught up in this mess in Chicago so...

I initially thought these scanners were implemented to detect the likes of ceramic knives but most of the manufacturers of these knives actually include enough metal to set off a metal detector, these body scanners really do seem to be completely useless.

This is one of the better cases against them that I've found, not sure how reliable it is though:

http://story.albuquerqueexpress.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/hfu8sjsy4hjfjdha/id/718829/cs/1/ht/Airport-body-scanners-useless-according-to-experts/

One thing that does concern me though is that if leading security experts reckon THEY could smuggle enough explosives to take down a 747 through these things then you know there's a problem.