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Maxol to phase out sale of E85 fuel

  • 15-12-2010 3:25pm
    #1
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭


    Couldn't find this posted already, sorry if it has been.
    Oil company Maxol says it is phasing out the sale of the ethanol-based E85 motor fuel.

    It says it has made the decision because the duty derogation on the fuel runs out at the end of this year. Maxol will start phasing out the marketing of this fuel from January 1 2011.

    The company said that, as a result of the Government incentive's coming to an end, E85 will become significantly more expensive at the pump than normal unleaded petrol. It added that the 'already extremely modest' demand would inevitably disappear.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1210/maxol-business.html

    Shame to see the Government incentive end.


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  • #2
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    My fto's always ran smoother on e85 and got slightly better mpg.


  • #3
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    My fto's always ran smoother on e85 and got slightly better mpg.

    I hope you're talking about E5 :eek:


  • #4
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Oops....

    Actually was behind an 07 focus ffv today and was thinking how unsellable a 1.8 petrol lx would be and how misguided the incentives for buying these cars are when there's nobody using ethanol in them.


  • #5
    Marcus.Aurelius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marcus.Aurelius


    I wonder if we will see the Ethanol 10 (E10) fuel coming to our shores anytime soon. It has been on sale in other countries as E10 91RON at 10cpl below 91RON fuels.

    Although our own fuel is 98RON (yes we all pay premium, no choice), is it really true that the ethanol additive is more expensive p/l than the 98RON it's mixed with?


  • #6
    limklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    Well , It look like I be no longer a Maxol Customer. There unleaded prices around me have been historically higher than other leading suppliers. The only thing they had got going until recently was E85, until the recent (months) hikes in prices which made E85 less financially viable. This will Kill Flexi-car motors car sales in this country. Looks like, I be disconnecting my E85 Kit. It been giving a little trouble from time to time when starting the car.


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  • #7
    zilog_jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    Caesar Augustus wrote: »
    Although our own fuel is 98RON (yes we all pay premium, no choice), is it really true that the ethanol additive is more expensive p/l than the 98RON it's mixed with?

    Petrol is typically 95 RON in Ireland, 98 RON was the uncommon "super unleaded", although some E5 claims to 98 RON or higher...

    I think this is a great loss - the E85 Maxol that sold was a great idea as it was (i) making use of a waste product and (ii) something actually produced in this country. Unfortunately there is a real lack of knowledge of alternative fuels and FFVs in this country, maybe if it sold better they would have been able to keep prices down?


  • #8
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    zilog_jones wrote: »
    .. maybe if it sold better they would have been able to keep prices down?

    ...maybe it would have sold better if the price was better ??

    It's all down to money: proof, to me, that any so-called 'Green' initiative unless it stacks up on monetary savings, is doomed. You can't eat 'goodwill', and people won't pay extra to be green.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #9
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,113 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Caesar Augustus wrote: »
    I wonder if we will see the Ethanol 10 (E10) fuel coming to our shores anytime soon. It has been on sale in other countries as E10 91RON at 10cpl below 91RON fuels.

    Although our own fuel is 98RON (yes we all pay premium, no choice), is it really true that the ethanol additive is more expensive p/l than the 98RON it's mixed with?

    Most fuel in Ireland - bar Maxol E5 - is only sold as being 95RON. Some is 99.2 from Whitegate and the rest is a mix of any and all kinds refined abroad...

    As goes E10 - probably not, but E7 seems likely as distributors have told station owners to make sure their tanks and pumps can take it.


  • #10
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    limklad wrote: »
    We]....... This will Kill Flexi-car motors car sales in this country.

    The only flexifuel car that sells in this country is the 1.2 clio on scrappage.


  • #11
    limklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    The only flexifuel car that sells in this country is the 1.2 clio on scrappage.
    That incorrect, Ford was selling a version of Focus as a flexi-fuel version was promoted when Maxol launch E85.

    http://www.maxol.ie/republic-of-ireland-news/maxol-ford-launches-joint-bio-ethanol-initiative.html


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  • #12
    R.O.R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,712 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    limklad wrote: »
    That incorrect, Ford was selling a version of Focus as a flexi-fuel version was promoted when Maxol launch E85.

    http://www.maxol.ie/republic-of-ireland-news/maxol-ford-launches-joint-bio-ethanol-initiative.html

    Before emissions based VRT and Road Tax, it was offered, but not any longer.

    Volvo sold a load of Flexi-Fuels when there was a 50% VRT rebate on them. Since it was cut (think it's still €2,500 max) the sales went right down and since the introduction of Emissions based VRT and tax, they've had to give huge discounts to get rid of stuff that was in stock with Petrol engines.


  • #13
    Ghost Estate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Ghost Estate


    Bleh! What a complete shame

    I used to buy this stuff for some petrol powered equipment. Had a shredder, generator running off the stuff with no modification. They ran better than on ordinary petrol and the fumes smelled like booze

    Now i want to stock up while they still have it but they say water gets into it when you store it for long

    The end of the low excise rate is just the government making sure nobody escapes the new higher fuel prices.


  • #14
    limklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    Ghost Estate wrote: »
    The end of the low excise rate is just the government making sure nobody escapes the new higher fuel prices.
    It makes the Greens look anti green to allow this to happen when Fossil fuels are now the only shop in town for petrol Engines since Electric Vehicles will take 10+ to be come affordable and easily charged quickly.


  • #15
    Piri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Piri


    It is a shame
    And shame as well that no cheap LPG here


  • #16
    D_murph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    This is indeed a shame but it just goes to show you how little they really care about cleaner fuels while they hockey us with carbon taxes yet take away the cleaner alternative :rolleyes:.

    Also, whatever tax (if any) they were getting from the sale of this stuff will now disappear as they go and take the greedy swipe at it :rolleyes:.

    I wonder if many jobs will be lost due to lack of production of ethanol or maybe it will just be used to add to petrol to sell as E5 anyway which may help.

    I always reckoned that my Ford Focus FFV seemed to have a bit more power on the E85. Not much and I only say this because I know my car well after nearly 4 years by now ;).

    My other beef with this was the fact that you should (at least in theory) never have any issues getting a car through the NCT on emissions with this stuff but now it will probably not be there by the time I will be getting mine tested next year although I am not too worried as it still has less than 70K KM done.

    It will be worth feck all whenever I go to sell her on now though :(.


  • #17
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,113 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    D_murph wrote: »
    I wonder if many jobs will be lost due to lack of production of ethanol or maybe it will just be used to add to petrol to sell as E5 anyway which may help.

    I seriously doubt it. The ethanol used to make E85 in Whitegate is an industrial by-product from making cheese and will likely just be used to reduce imports of ethanol for E5.


  • #18
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    zilog_jones wrote: »
    although some E5 claims to 98 RON or higher...

    Seems to be too, I'll get an engine light at full throttle with any other fuel


  • #19
    D_murph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    Yeah, that's what I was thinking all right. Still a shame to see the end of E85 as an alternative fuel here though :(. It never really got much of a chance IMO.

    Not many garages were selling the stuff because very few people drove the cars that ran on it and then, people were less likely to buy the cars as there was no garages selling it near them. Chicken and the egg thing..

    I was lucky enough to have 2 maxol garages in Cork near enough to me that were selling it alright. One in Wilton and the other in Tivoli.

    Not for long more now it seems.


  • #20
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    limklad wrote: »
    That incorrect, Ford was selling a version of Focus as a flexi-fuel version was promoted when Maxol launch E85.

    http://www.maxol.ie/republic-of-ireland-news/maxol-ford-launches-joint-bio-ethanol-initiative.html

    What Colm meant was that its the only one that sells in numbers, not that its the only one available.

    Either way, they were'nt selling because people wanted flexifuel cars, it's just that the 1.2 petrol Clio happens to be flexifuel while being the cheapest option engine wise. They dont have a petrol alternative.


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