What if physical science could measure a non-physical phenomenon

digme

I was thinking tonight about people who claim they can leave their bodies and go look at some top secret military installations in another part of the world.What if you could prove this is indeed possible.How much funding would be required to have access to a state of the art lab?
If you came up with an idea, but were afraid to tell anyone, could you patent such an idea?

Phill Ewinn

the russains were very hit and miss with this stuff.

uprising2

digme wrote: »

I was thinking tonight about people who claim they can leave their bodies and go look at some top secret military installations in another part of the world.What if you could prove this is indeed possible.How much funding would be required to have access to a state of the art lab?
If you came up with an idea, but were afraid to tell anyone, could you patent such an idea?

digme, I'm not too sure how you'd patent such an idea, but theres a problem maybe you haven't thought about, patent offices are esentially govt bodies that protect your patent/idea by law, essentially working for the same people who control these top secret military installations, maybe they'd give you a permanent out of body experience.;)

gizmo

digme wrote: »

I was thinking tonight about people who claim they can leave their bodies and go look at some top secret military installations in another part of the world.What if you could prove this is indeed possible.How much funding would be required to have access to a state of the art lab?
If you came up with an idea, but were afraid to tell anyone, could you patent such an idea?

You wouldn't need funding at all. Just hold a playing card up to someone backwards and ask them what it is. When they don't know tell them to use physic projection to walk around to the other side of the card, see what it is and then have them tell you.

Well if you could prove such an ability in a situation that excludes cheating, confirmation bias, delusion and other factors and were looking for funding there a nice easy way to pick up a million quid:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

digme

Would paranormal include conciousness ?

digme

digme wrote: »

Would paranormal include conciousness ?

2.2 What is the definition of “paranormal” in regards to the Challenge?

Webster’s Online Dictionary defines “paranormal” as “not scientifically explainable; supernatural.”

Within the Challenge, this means that at the time your application is submitted and approved, your claim will be considered paranormal for the duration. If, after testing, it is decided that your ability is either scientifically explainable or will be someday, you needn’t worry. If the JREF has agreed to test you, then your claim is paranormal.

2.3 Does my claim count as paranormal?

Possibly. Read through the JREF forum for a list of previous applicants if you’d like to see whether or not your claim has been tested before. The list can be found at: http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43

Past claims have included: psychic or mediumistic powers, ESP, dowsing, magnetic humans, astrology, faith healing, etc.

If you are submitting a claim that works off a previous assumption, you have to present evidence proving the assumption correct first. For example, a claim of exorcism must have prior proof of the existence of demons, unless the existence of demons would be self-evident during the exorcism. If someone’s head spins ‘round the wrong direction during an exorcism, it is safe to say that demons (or some other entities) are responsible. Projectile vomiting, however, is nasty and probably explainable.

Some claims are, unfortunately, untestable. For example, claiming that you are able to make someone feel happy by talking to them is untestable, because it is impossible to objectively gauge someone’s level of happiness, especially if they have been told that after talking to you they should feel happy.

If your claim is untestable, there is nothing that can be done to alter that status unless you find a new claim or negotiate a protocol in which the results are self-evident and objectively testable.

Why would consciousness be paranormal exactly?

Undergod

Then it would be a physical phenomenon.

digme

I honestly didn't know,what science would cover conciousness?
Undergod as far as I know,conciousness is not a physical phenomenon.

digme

digme wrote: »

I honestly didn't know,what science would cover conciousness?

Neuroscience?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience

Undergod as far as I know,conciousness is not a physical phenomenon.

So assuming this is so, how would you go about showing this?

digme

King Mob wrote: »

Neuroscience?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience

So assuming this is so, how would you go about showing this?

Doesn't seem to cover conciousness at all.I looked on that site you linked and went through all the various claims.

digme

digme wrote: »

Doesn't seem to cover conciousness at all.I looked on that site you linked and went through all the various claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_correlates_of_consciousness

So, again how do you go about showing that consciousness is non-physical?

digme

That link seems to me to only be a set of tests to see if conciousness is present in the subject.I'm not here trying to prove conciousness is a physical or non physical thing at all. I'm asking how much would it cost to get access to a state of the art lab and would you be able to patent a theory before trying to validate it by using a lab.How far would you make it?Would your life be in danger?

Undergod

digme wrote: »

I honestly didn't know,what science would cover conciousness?
Undergod as far as I know,conciousness is not a physical phenomenon.

I never said it was, though I reckon it probably is. I'm saying that something that could be measured by physical science would have to be physical.

bonkey

digme wrote: »

Would paranormal include conciousness ?

No.

digme

digme wrote: »

That link seems to me to only be a set of tests to see if conciousness is present in the subject.

You mean present in a physical subject and having a tangible effect on the world? i.e. is physical is some respect?

digme wrote: »

I'm not here trying to prove conciousness is a physical or non physical thing at all.

Then what exactly was the point of your question?

digme wrote: »

I'm asking how much would it cost to get access to a state of the art lab and would you be able to patent a theory before trying to validate it by using a lab.How far would you make it?Would your life be in danger?

1. Alot of money, but that depends on what you're trying to prove. If you're trying to prove remote viewing as in your op all you need is a few empty rooms.
2. Yes you are able to do so.
3. Why exactly would it be?