A side note to the Celtic Tiger era...

Big Mouth

Was speaking with an Indian guy who i work with earlier, he mentioned his GF works in a Centra / Spar shop in Waterford city .

I was telling him how I found non-Irish staff like himself much better than Irish (Very true in retail imo) and he began to tell me how the manager of the shop his GF works in are desperately looking for staff in the shop and that they advertised for three months (During the summer I think)

In that three months they received hundreds of CV's as you would expect and do you know how many of those were from Irish people? Zero, not one irish person applied for 25-30 hour a week job!!

He also mentioned how every single weekend one of the Irish part time ex-staff (Prob students?) would call in sick about one hour before there shift was to start, probably due to hangovers and we as a whole need to wake up from our Celtic Tiger hangover and realise work is work.

Beaucoupfish

ah **** off!

dolallyoh

Beaucoupfish wrote: »

ah **** off!

Good reference to the irish guy abroad who tells it like it is

danielmoran

I agree. Most Irish people are fussy about jobs but then depending on your family needs, financial situation, education etc. This job would have been perfect for a lazy, sponging unemployed person. The government aren't doing anything to force these peoples into work. THERE ARE JOBS OUT THERE NOMATTER WHAT PEOPLE THINK.

thenutflush

I'm an Irish 20 year old student and I dropped cv's into about 20 spars/ londis etc around dublin and never got a word back :rolleyes: and believe me, i would never have such disregard for my job as to go out getting pissed the night before and call in sick the next day. But correctly enough, many my age do and there is no denying that some Irish people do turn their noses up at these jobs, which is hard to understand really if somebody needs money

zig

Big Mouth, why dont you post that up in the work and jobs section and see what kind of response you get.
It sounds unbelievable that out of 100s of CVs not one Irish person applied.
Where was the job advertised?

Big Mouth

zig wrote: »

Big Mouth, why dont you post that up in the work and jobs section and see what kind of response you get.
It sounds unbelievable that out of 100s of CVs not one Irish person applied.
Where was the job advertised?

The job was advertisted in the window of the store, not sure if they advertised anywhere else.

I know it sounds unbelievable which is why I bothered to post. Also I understand that loads of people on here will have applied for all sorts of jobs left, right and centre but there are plenty of people who NEED to work and won't even bother unless the job is 100% suitable.

I mean not one Irish person handed in there CV for that job. That is a FACT and warrants discussion.

ArtSmart

you not been looking at the queues of people for hotel/ supermarket jobs etc?

my sentiments are with poster no.2

COUCH WARRIOR

Big Mouth wrote: »

I mean not one Irish person handed in there CV for that job. That is a FACT and warrants discussion.

No, that's hearsay, but possibly still warrents discussion. I suspect embellishment, for effect.

zig

Its just a tough one to believe thats all, then combined with your " was telling him how I found non-Irish staff like himself much better than Irish" , it doesnt give your post much credibility.

ArtSmart

danielmoran wrote: »

I agree. Most Irish people are fussy about jobs but then depending on your family needs, financial situation, education etc. This job would have been perfect for a lazy, sponging unemployed person. The government aren't doing anything to force these peoples into work. THERE ARE JOBS OUT THERE NOMATTER WHAT PEOPLE THINK.

Think being the key word.

danielmoran

as to my earlier post. i would like to add that i am a 19 year old student that has been workin weekends and holidays since i was 15. people need to get there act together.

Jagle

22, working since i was 16, now im a bar manager after 2 years of working in a club and in college, we are not all that bad, some people just have a ****ty work ethic

beagle001

danielmoran wrote: »

as to my earlier post. i would like to add that i am a 19 year old student that has been workin weekends and holidays since i was 15. people need to get there act together.

15 rather late,
Got my first job at 12 on the weekends in a stock room early 90's,worked solid right through college until a brief unemployment.
Always had a job but have to disagree with previous posts,it is not easy at all to find work now in any category.
Not all unemployed are lazy,useless and stuck in a rutt.
The jobs are not there and I do not believe the ops original post.
Hundreds of cvs and none Irish,hardly.
On a side note I do find the Indian staff in spar Galway v friendly and helpful.
It's kind of in their nature to be pleasant,decent workers.

kona

Big Mouth wrote: »

Was speaking with an Indian guy who i work with earlier, he mentioned his GF works in a Centra / Spar shop in Waterford city .

I was telling him how I found non-Irish staff like himself much better than Irish (Very true in retail imo) and he began to tell me how the manager of the shop his GF works in are desperately looking for staff in the shop and that they advertised for three months (During the summer I think)

In that three months they received hundreds of CV's as you would expect and do you know how many of those were from Irish people? Zero, not one irish person applied for 25-30 hour a week job!!

He also mentioned how every single weekend one of the Irish part time ex-staff (Prob students?) would call in sick about one hour before there shift was to start, probably due to hangovers and we as a whole need to wake up from our Celtic Tiger hangover and realise work is work.

My neighbours Wife says the exact same about Non Irish in her husbands job. I love 3rd hand information.

Big Mouth

Okay okay, its all lies :rolleyes:

Well here is a guaranteed fact. When I hire staff, about 20 every Christmas, I will NOT hire an Irish person unless personally recommended and vouched for.

I've had so much hassle with local people in our shops its unreal, don't know how many Irish staff that have let me down over the years. From standing around texting to chatting to each other at the till to just plain laziness and uninterest.

Basically means I can't leave a shop for 5 minutes without the place turning into a doss house. Compare that to Indian, Russian and Polish staff I hire. Its a 100% different story, they get stuck in, take pride in their work, actually care about the shop and customers.

Right now of the 20 there is 1 Irish guy, a friend of a friend and he is smashing, thorough worker and now a manager of one of the stores.
But he is clearly the exception to the rule, maybe its a cultural shift as Irish people were the Poles of th 19th and early 20th century

Cavehill Red

Big Mouth wrote: »

Well here is a guaranteed fact. When I hire staff, about 20 every Christmas, I will NOT hire an Irish person unless personally recommended and vouched for.

Note to the gallery:

This is how globalisation works in a nutshell. The owner/boss class excludes you from employment in your own country by importing cheaper labour or exporting your work abroad, then attempts to justify themselves by blaming YOU for making them do it.
It was a good schtick for a while, but with unemployment running at c. 50% among Irish under 25s, it's fascinating to see some brassnecks still trying to run with this load of cobblers.

SkepticOne

zig wrote: »

Its just a tough one to believe thats all, then combined with your " was telling him how I found non-Irish staff like himself much better than Irish" , it doesnt give your post much credibility.

Well spotted. A case of protesting too much.

Lambsbread

If I am going to honest I have met very friendly and professional Irish people working in shops. I don't like this whole slur that Irish people are lazy/don't like work etc. because it is generally not true. of course there are exceptions but i can say the same about all nationalities....

I think it is a case of Chinese whispers with the OP.

kona

Big Mouth wrote: »

Okay okay, its all lies :rolleyes:

Well here is a guaranteed fact. When I hire staff, about 20 every Christmas, I will NOT hire an Irish person unless personally recommended and vouched for.

I've had so much hassle with local people in our shops its unreal, don't know how many Irish staff that have let me down over the years. From standing around texting to chatting to each other at the till to just plain laziness and uninterest.

Basically means I can't leave a shop for 5 minutes without the place turning into a doss house. Compare that to Indian, Russian and Polish staff I hire. Its a 100% different story, they get stuck in, take pride in their work, actually care about the shop and customers.

Right now of the 20 there is 1 Irish guy, a friend of a friend and he is smashing, thorough worker and now a manager of one of the stores.
But he is clearly the exception to the rule, maybe its a cultural shift as Irish people were the Poles of th 19th and early 20th century

A guaranteed fact that you dont hire Irish people? Becasue of your paranoia that you cant make em work like slaves? There are plenty of Irish people out there capable of doing a days work you set out for them to do, if they can do it and have a laugh and be happy in the job whats the problem?

Your attitude sucks and soon enough there will be a shortage of foreign workers to whip around, as most of these are here to get qualified, then they leave.

zig

Big Mouth wrote: »

Okay okay, its all lies :rolleyes:

Well here is a guaranteed fact. When I hire staff, about 20 every Christmas, I will NOT hire an Irish person unless personally recommended and vouched for.

I've had so much hassle with local people in our shops its unreal, don't know how many Irish staff that have let me down over the years. From standing around texting to chatting to each other at the till to just plain laziness and uninterest.

Basically means I can't leave a shop for 5 minutes without the place turning into a doss house. Compare that to Indian, Russian and Polish staff I hire. Its a 100% different story, they get stuck in, take pride in their work, actually care about the shop and customers.

Right now of the 20 there is 1 Irish guy, a friend of a friend and he is smashing, thorough worker and now a manager of one of the stores.
But he is clearly the exception to the rule, maybe its a cultural shift as Irish people were the Poles of th 19th and early 20th century

Where do you work?

Fat_Fingers

Big Mouth wrote: »

Okay okay, its all lies :rolleyes:

Well here is a guaranteed fact. When I hire staff, about 20 every Christmas, I will NOT hire an Irish person unless personally recommended and vouched for.

Just like long time ago in UK and USA - "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs"

You got lucky you said Irish , had you turned it to no foreigners or gays or whatever minority group even your anonymity would not save you.

redto

Big Mouth wrote: »

Okay okay, its all lies :rolleyes:

Well here is a guaranteed fact. When I hire staff, about 20 every Christmas, I will NOT hire an Irish person unless personally recommended and vouched for.

I've had so much hassle with local people in our shops its unreal, don't know how many Irish staff that have let me down over the years. From standing around texting to chatting to each other at the till to just plain laziness and uninterest.

Basically means I can't leave a shop for 5 minutes without the place turning into a doss house. Compare that to Indian, Russian and Polish staff I hire. Its a 100% different story, they get stuck in, take pride in their work, actually care about the shop and customers.

Right now of the 20 there is 1 Irish guy, a friend of a friend and he is smashing, thorough worker and now a manager of one of the stores.
But he is clearly the exception to the rule, maybe its a cultural shift as Irish people were the Poles of th 19th and early 20th century

wow I'm almost speechless

kinda curious but
1. do indian and russian nationals not need a work permit which the employer applies for ( i could be wrong here) and the employee is then allowed into the country to work at that particular task for that employer. As far as I understand you must prove that there is no suitable Irish person to do the job. Got to figure you would have a hard time proving that now. How do you recruit those staff.

2. Kinda curious about your 'stores' you hire 20 people at christmas and one of those is a manager of one of your stores. Nothing wrong with seasonal work in fact i think there should be more. How many stores do you have? see point 1 about employing staff from non eu countries how can you afford to do all the paperwork etc for to get staff here for seasonal work. You must pay a serious wage to cover airfare etc to make it worth their while.

3. What or who are local people?

4. I'm pretty confident that if you put your ad for staff stating No Irish need apply unless personally vouched for you would have an issue or two with equality board .

5 In fact advertise that fact in your window. State how you feel about Irish people Tell the locals how you feel about them . would you be moaning if people had the same attitude to you or your 'stores' (sorry kinda got annoyed there)

6. As for staff being good or bad in a shop. I have recieved fantastic and brutal staff from people from all countries including Ireland

7. Re your original post .Perhaps many people did apply but your Indian friend had the same attitude as you. No Irish need apply . Why do you think something needs discussing, when as you stated you would not hire an Irish person unless personally vouched for.
The more i read this the more i suspect its a wind up just to annoy people

niallo27

There is nothing worse than trying to order a breakfast roll with no pudding off a polish bird, seriously though I find a lot of east European women working in centra and spar etc very ignorant and full of themselves, and trying to get advice off some Indian bloke in currys or pc world is a ****en joke.

T runner

Big Mouth wrote: »

Was speaking with an Indian guy who i work with earlier, he mentioned his GF works in a Centra / Spar shop in Waterford city .

I was telling him how I found non-Irish staff like himself much better than Irish (Very true in retail imo) and he began to tell me how the manager of the shop his GF works in are desperately looking for staff in the shop and that they advertised for three months (During the summer I think)

In that three months they received hundreds of CV's as you would expect and do you know how many of those were from Irish people? Zero, not one irish person applied for 25-30 hour a week job!!

He also mentioned how every single weekend one of the Irish part time ex-staff (Prob students?) would call in sick about one hour before there shift was to start, probably due to hangovers and we as a whole need to wake up from our Celtic Tiger hangover and realise work is work.

So you were speaking to an Indian guy who said his girlfriend said that.......

Im with poster number 2 also.

T runner

Big Mouth wrote: »

Okay okay, its all lies :rolleyes:

Well here is a guaranteed fact. When I hire staff, about 20 every Christmas, I will NOT hire an Irish person unless personally recommended and vouched for.

I've had so much hassle with local people in our shops its unreal, don't know how many Irish staff that have let me down over the years. From standing around texting to chatting to each other at the till to just plain laziness and uninterest.

Basically means I can't leave a shop for 5 minutes without the place turning into a doss house. Compare that to Indian, Russian and Polish staff I hire. Its a 100% different story, they get stuck in, take pride in their work, actually care about the shop and customers.

Right now of the 20 there is 1 Irish guy, a friend of a friend and he is smashing, thorough worker and now a manager of one of the stores.
But he is clearly the exception to the rule, maybe its a cultural shift as Irish people were the Poles of th 19th and early 20th century

Sorry but youre OP was about an Indians girlfriends experience.The ludicrousness of this as evidence is pointed out to you and now all of a sudden youre an employer of 20 people and have first hand knowledge.

Ah **** off! as the second poster said.

EKRIUQ

I think poster number 2 sumed it up. People love putting down Irish people when I'm sure there's plenty who would work there.

wobblinbrush

Typical of Irish mini-capitalists.Quite happy to run Irish people's money through his greasy till but not willing to give any of them a chance unless he can cane them.

irishh_bob

niallo27 wrote: »

There is nothing worse than trying to order a breakfast roll with no pudding off a polish bird, seriously though I find a lot of east European women working in centra and spar etc very ignorant and full of themselves, and trying to get advice off some Indian bloke in currys or pc world is a ****en joke.

the manager ( indian guy ) in pc world in the town closest to me is a legend , computer whizz without being a bore about it