Tire wear in cold weather

opinion guy

I know - Not another tyre thread!!!!!

But this one is not about winter tires. What I'm wondering is this - do normal summer tires wear more in the cold weather. i had sort of assummed that wheel spin/skidding on ice/snow/slush would be less damaging to tires than skidding on tarmac in summer. But someone I know who drives a 4by4 found that his rear tires were badly worn down by the first big freeze.

Anyone know the facts on this one ??

copacetic

what kind of 4x4? Any chance be diff locked it at start of big freeze and left it like that?

opinion guy

copacetic wrote: »

what kind of 4x4? Any chance be diff locked it at start of big freeze and left it like that?

No idea. Forget I mentioned him. Does the cold weather wear your summer tires more in general ?

opinion guy

opinion guy wrote: »

Does the cold weather wear your summer tires more in general ?

No

opinion guy

RoverJames wrote: »

No

Indeed a definitive answer. But lets consider that below 7 degrees C summer tires harden and give less grip (thus the need for winter tires). Surely then tires would be more prone to abrasive damage in such conditions. I ask purely because I'm wondering if sliding around the place on ice is taking lumps out of my tires.

Sure if you reckon you know the answer why ask the question ?

opinion guy

RoverJames wrote: »

Sure if you reckon you know the answer why ask the question ?

I'm sorry what is your problem ? I don't know the answer but i reckon its at least plausible and wondering if someone else does know something about it. If you don't have anything else to contribute then a one word answer and sarcasm please go find another thread.

opinion guy

opinion guy wrote: »

Indeed a definitive answer. But lets consider that below 7 degrees C summer tires harden and give less grip (thus the need for winter tires). Surely then tires would be more prone to abrasive damage in such conditions. I ask purely because I'm wondering if sliding around the place on ice is taking lumps out of my tires.

opinion guy wrote: »

I'm sorry what is your problem ? I don't know the answer but i reckon its at least plausible and wondering if someone else does know something about it. If you don't have anything else to contribute then a one word answer and sarcasm please go find another thread.

I have no problem, you asked a question, I answered it. You then went on to describe how summer tyres harden in cold weather and offer little grip and you then deduce they are more prone to abrasive damage

I'll post in whatever thread I feel like posting in within the realms of the charter, if you don't like my posts report them or put me on ignore

-Chris-

OK, everyone drop the handbags.

Either we continue discussing the question at hand, or we presume it's answered and lock the thread.

opinion guy

RoverJames wrote: »

I have no problem, you asked a question, I answered it. You then went on to describe how summer tyres harden in cold weather and offer little grip and you then deduce they are more prone to abrasive damage

I'll post in whatever thread I feel like posting in within the realms of the charter, if you don't like my posts report them or put me on ignore

I've already reported you for antagonising another poster/trolling.

My posts are obviously speculative and inquisitive in nature looking for others opinion.

Edit: Chris I just saw your post now. I would like to here others opinions on this

opinion guy

opinion guy wrote: »

I've already reported you for antagonising another poster/trolling.

lol

Tabnabs

opinion guy wrote: »

Indeed a definitive answer. But lets consider that below 7 degrees C summer tires harden and give less grip (thus the need for winter tires). Surely then tires would be more prone to abrasive damage in such conditions. I ask purely because I'm wondering if sliding around the place on ice is taking lumps out of my tires.

If they are giving less grip, are they not also giving less resistance? Abrasive damage from skidding and such is not necessarily a temperature related phenomena. But do your tyres have lumps out of them? If not, then all signs point to no.

-Chris-

RoverJames wrote: »

lol

Don't post again in this thread please or you will get a 7 day ban.

Thanks

opinion guy

Dyflin wrote: »

If they are giving less grip, are they not also giving less resistance? Abrasive damage from skidding and such is not necessarily a temperature related phenomena. But do your tyres have lumps out of them? If not, then all signs point to no.

Well thats what I had thought originally. But after my friend said he tires seem to wear alot and knowing a little bit about the science of materials, I realise its nots that simple (despite the scoffings of some). Factors to consider - cold hard tires, lumpy ice on the roads, microscopic damage to the tires as a result of constant vibrations on the hard ice not to mention the straight forward abrasion of same. Actually I think it adds up that more damage could be done.

I mean if everyone on here is arguing that summer tires go hard below 7C, it stands to reason that they will take more damage in a more solid state.

-Chris-

opinion guy wrote: »

I realise its nots that simple (despite the scoffings of some).

Hardly fair to take swipes at someone else when they're not allowed to post in this thread anymore.
I've asked for the handbags to be dropped. I mean it.

Consider yourself warned also.

Next off-topic poster gets a 7 day ban.

biko

I haven't noticed that my tyres would have worn more.
Anything is possible though. If he's driving a 4x4, does he live in the mountains or somewhere with only gravel roads?

opinion guy

biko wrote: »

I haven't noticed that my tyres would have worn more.
Anything is possible though. If he's driving a 4x4, does he live in the mountains or somewhere with only gravel roads?

He lives in Lucan. Hardly the mountains :P It was just a comment he threw off - who knows maybe they were already worn and he hadn't noticed but it sent me thinking, its a valid question.

Del2005

Even if the tyres are hardening I can't see them wearing out quicker unless he was acting the maggot. If you're revving hard and spinning the wheels instead of low revs and rolling then of course the tyres will wear out quicker as the tyres are moving while you aren't.

It's just easier to spin the wheels in ice and snow, not the ice and snow causing the wear.

I'd also guess that his tyres weren't the best to start with.

GTE

Well Summers loose grip in the Winter so they spin up easier, it happened to me enough so I guess Summers have the potential to wear more then in the Summer.

copacetic

opinion guy wrote: »

No idea. Forget I mentioned him. Does the cold weather wear your summer tires more in general ?

It's far more likely the wear is due to a set up option like leaving the diff locked/faulty bias than anything else, why ignore it?

peasant

In over 25 years of driving in all weathers and on all sorts of tyres I have never come across normal driving conditions (and a cold winter is "normal") that cause abnormal tyre wear.

Having said that ...sitting your car on an icy patch, spinning the wheels until the ice melts, moving one inch forward and repeating the process until you've finally made it up a hill ...well, that's a burnout ...just in slow motion.:D

challengemaster

less grip, less friction

less friction, less tyre wear.

-Chris-

I thought harder tyres were harder wearing and softer tyres provided more grip but wore faster.
I'd also think that reduced friction from the roads (i.e. less grip) meant longer wearing tyres.
Also slower speeds would mean less cornering and braking forces, again less stress on the tyres.

TBH, I'd say the difference is negligable.

corktina

tyres are relatively cheap...snow and ice are relatively very rare in this country....just drive on your tyres til they need replacing and buy new ones....winter tyres (in this country) are a marketing con

kennyb3

corktina wrote: »

tyres are relatively cheap...snow and ice are relatively very rare in this country....just drive on your tyres til they need replacing and buy new ones....winter tyres (in this country) are a marketing con

And which one of the big garages/tyre manufacturers that are out of stock of winter tyres started this con in this country? I think you ll find the demand is consumer driven

opinion guy

copacetic wrote: »

It's far more likely the wear is due to a set up option like leaving the diff locked/faulty bias than anything else, why ignore it?

Ignore it because I don't know the details of his set up and I can't answer the question!!!!

corktina wrote: »

tyres are relatively cheap...snow and ice are relatively very rare in this country....just drive on your tyres til they need replacing and buy new ones....winter tyres (in this country) are a marketing con

:eek:
Tires are cheap ? eh NO they certainly are not
a con ? eh NO - thats an absurd statement

mathepac

corktina wrote: »

tyres are relatively cheap...snow and ice are relatively very rare in this country....just drive on your tyres til they need replacing and buy new ones....winter tyres (in this country) are a marketing con

+1

The difference now is that kitted out with their expensive and unnecessary winter tyres, the gob****es I've seen over the last two weeks feel empowered and equipped to continue their eejity warm weather driving behaviour on snow and ice.

There is an argument in favour of putting winter tyres on RWD vehicles to conteract their understeer / pirouetting tendencies on snowy and icy hills and roads but for most of us on FWD or even 4WD cars the ordinary tyres are fine once we are cognizant of the conditions and adapt our techniques accordingly

Anan1

mathepac wrote: »

+1

The difference now is that kitted out with their expensive and unnecessary winter tyres, the gob****es I've seen over the last two weeks feel empowered and equipped to continue their eejity warm weather driving behaviour on snow and ice.

There is an argument in favour of putting winter tyres on RWD vehicles to conteract their understeer / pirouetting tendencies on snowy and icy hills and roads but for most of us on FWD or even 4WD cars the ordinary tyres are fine once we are cognizant of the conditions and adapt our techniques accordingly

Why not take it a step further and drive on bald tyres? You'll be fine once you're cognizant of the conditions and adapt your techniques accordingly.

mathepac

Anan1 wrote: »

Why not take it a step further and drive on bald tyres? You'll be fine once you're cognizant of the conditions and adapt your techniques accordingly.

Idiotic comment, off-topic and more suited to some inane AH thread.

bladespin

They don't, I'd be thinking he's either locked his differential as mentioned already or there's something up with the tracking, bushings ets to cause that.

corktina

the trouble with kit like this is that the drivers feel they are safe and take more risks.(I believe it was IKB who was against railway safety devices because they led to drivers relying on them rather than using their skill and instincts/)
For the little bit of winter we get, winter tyres are not necessary.

-Chris-

mathepac wrote: »

Idiotic comment, off-topic and more suited to some inane AH thread.

If you don't like it, report it. Chastising another poster for their idiotic and inane comments is also against the Charter (back-seat modding).

Thanks.

robtri

Snow tyres are defo not a con....

in a FWD/RWD car, you aint making it up my driveway in the snow or ice...
the driveway for me an my neighbours is 200m steep hill....
A fiesta, a corsa, a merc, a BMW all tried and failed, even a jeep had a few issues....

put a set of snowtrac tyres on the drive wheels of the corsa and went up with out any issues at all......

-Chris-

Winter tyres definitely give more grip in snowy/icy conditions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYEMH10Z4s

That being said, maybe we can take that as read. It's slightly off-topic for this thread.

extra-ordinary_

With all the bad weather recently and my wheels spinning at different stages I was thinkng my summer tyres would be wearing out quicker with all the spinning and then regaining grip the soft tyres were doing.