WHATS THE PROBLEM !!!

toshiba2010

to all the begruders out there .
whats the problem i got a bargain on boards . im selling them on for a profit . who does,nt do that . i know all you airsoft head,s want stuff on here for nothing . i put a price up on an item . i know im going to be bargained down to the hilt , so im leaving room for that . listen i just happen to be in the right place at the right time . whats your problem .. and for you that know,s the guy that owned.that shot gun , why did,nt he give you first refusal . your probably a meen so so . so he said to hom self id rather give it to someone else . . you know how it works . if your in the right place at the right time you can get a bargain . i happened to be the one . as i dont play airsoft i just collect the stuff . and maybe sell it on . so what ... who does,nt . so to all the begrudgers . two finger,s ...:)
toshiba2010:):):)
ps: if you dont want to buy anystuff i have on boards thats fine but dont go around spoiling my threads . there,s a law against that .. that,s for all you law abiding ppl !!!!!

Leftyflip

Becuase, it's now third hand, it's worth less than what you paid for it. Whether you play or not there's no difference, it goes down in value.
The "two-fingers" crap isn't gonna help you either.

NakedDex

Actually, more importantly, it's profiteering, which is strictly forbidden by the charter. So rather than a "law" protecting you, it's actually quite the opposite.

Shiva

Well, despite the tone and structure of the post, and any shadiness with dual account muppetry....the man has a point.

Anything you buy from a retailer is technically second hand - we dont make the stuff.

As long as he's honest about its history, specifications and condition, then he's perfectly entitled to buy something at one price and sell it at another, higher price. Its called capitalism

Value in anything is a relative term - its in the eyes of the purchaser.

That said, there are rules on Boards about dual accounts, and in the adverts charter in particular, and in my opinion, he should be buying and selling under the same account. But thats just me.

toshiba2010

the price anyone buys anything for is irrelevant . the thing to consider is the market value :):). in the retail sector the term second or third hand is rarely used, once an item is no longer new it is often described as used or pre owned . the only thing im interested in is achieving as close to the market value as possible for any item i sell . sometimes this can be more or less than i have payed for any particular item .quite often i spend time and money upgrading my collection to improve items i wish to keep and/or sell on . i have friends already interested in several of the items i have for sale so im withdrawing the advert,s from boards due to the threads been spoilt . MODS WOULD YOU PLEASE CLOSE ALL MY THREADS THANK YOU .

bullets

I've not read whatever thread that caused this thread, nor
have I ever sold any of my airsoft guns.

I've seen some threads on adverts where someone had bought something and turned around and tried to sell it
a few weeks later at a higher price which I would dis-agree with, and I've also seen people sell stuff thats common as muck for almost (and even sometimes at equal or more) to the price you would pay for stuff new which I also think
is nuts.

On the Flip side though.....
I would like to think that I could make a Huge Profit and be perfectly entitled to do so if I was to say sell an extremely Rare Collectors piece. Say limited editions where there are only a few hundred in the world, or Makes such as JAC etc which may no longer be available.

Similarly if there was an item that may be out of stock in every single other shop long term, surely the value of the item goes up?? and not Down if nobody is able to buy them new ?

Even with our own Irish retailers we have seen prices of stuff RISE and not go down. Typical example is a JG AUG
when Irish shops started selling them they were about 170Euros now they are up around 240 Euros so over time airsoft gets more popular there are more retailers more competition and yet the price goes UP? and not down.


~B

Inari

@Bullets: I'm not sure how often you get instore, given your location, but I have seen prices rise and fall in most of the Irish stores. There has been an increase in prices in the past few months, but that's due to the dollar rate mostly. Prices go down as well as up instore, or at least that's my experience.

With regard to this specific thread - dude, look, you tried to make a profit; if that was your sole goal, which it seemingly was, it is against the rules and you were reported accordingly. Simple as that. You broke the rules, and that's the problem.

If, however, you were just completely unaware as to an items intrinsic or market value, and posted a high asking price, then most people here will merely call you on it and negotiate it down. I have seen some seriously high asking prices on adverts - I have to stop myself from thread spoiling, but it is up to the indiviual buyer to do their research; caveat empor.

PS: According to the charter you're either selling stuff on adverts/boards, or you're not. Did you actually read it? I'm not being sarcastic here, it's a serious question

Shiva

bullets wrote: »

Even with our own Irish retailers we have seen prices of stuff RISE and not go down. Typical example is a JG AUG
when Irish shops started selling them they were about 170Euros now they are up around 240 Euros so over time airsoft gets more popular there are more retailers more competition and yet the price goes UP? and not down.
~B

Yeah, normally more competition would dictate lower prices....but in the case of the JG AUG and pretty much any Chinese made gun, the price rises are because its costing more for the retailers to get them. Again, using the JG AUG example....its costing more than €170 to get that these days.

bullets

Yeah I never get to go instore so dont see the price fluctuations. I've only ever
made one or two purchased from a physical store. Good thing I buy stuff as soon as I can!

Also back when I started buying stuff I would my minds mentality would be telling me anything over 200 Euros for an AEG was expensive, Nowadays my minds mentality
would be adding about 100-150 Euros to that.


~B

NakedDex

The problem retailers here, and in the UK, face is that you're in the minority. Most people still consider €200 to be too expensive, and for that they want full metal bodies with maximum performance, high ROF etc. Basically they don't want to pay more than they used to for clones in their hay-day, but they want high end performance for the price.

With regard to the OP, and to clarify my previous post, nobody has an issue with someone selling something for a bit more than they paid if there's a specific reason, like the item suddenly becoming rare due to production stopping, or an upgrade done by you after your purchase of it.
What you're doing, however, is buying something with the sole intention of reselling it at a higher price for the acquisition of profit. This action is some paperwork away from being a business, and such things are prohibited by the charter, and aggravating to regular forum users.

Dread-Lock

toshiba2010 wrote: »

and for you that know,s the guy that owned.that shot gun , why did,nt he give you first refusal . your probably a meen so so . so he said to hom self id rather give it to someone else .

Alright you want to make this personal, fine, I can work with that no problem.

And for your information I was "offered first refusal" as you put it and so was the boards member Karnath. But I already own that shotgun, so I don't care how good a bargain he was selling it for.

Fair enough you can try and sell that shotgun for whatever price you want and yeah you did get a good bargain. But why did you try and hide the fact that you bought it for €30 and we're trying to sell it for €80? Was it because you knew no one would buy it for €80 if they knew what you got it for?
And you said you like to get as close to market value, well it was bought in Eirsoft for €40.
And feel free to make a new thread selling this shotgun. I won't thread spoil but I will PM everyone who makes an offer to tell how much it was bought for.

Oh and you say you have friends that are interested in some of your items, well I feel sorry for them as you'll likely just try and rip them off too.

toshiba2010

as far as im concerned the matter is closed and i am puzzled why you think im making it personal - no need for further clarification as i say as far as im concerned the matter is closed ,
my friends have seen the threads and can judge for themselves if they are been ripped off .
one way you could be helpful would be to suggest where the shot gun in question is currently in stock and can be purchased for 40 euros as i can then pass on the information to my friends .

thank you .

MonkeyGuy

"The Consumer Information Advertisements Disclosure of Business Interests Order 1984 (Republic of Ireland) requires all advertisements from persons selling goods in the course of a business to make that fact clear. This requirement applies whether the advertiser is acting on his own behalf or for some other person in the course of whose business goods are to be sold." It's in the charter.

thermo

4. Overpricing /Profiteering Profiteering is prohibited on adverts.ie. Profiteering is defined as: To make profits on goods in demand or where attempt to profit is suspected or apparent.

Trader - Anyone who posts up for sale several of the same item(s) or who sells for profit. This does not imply that a Trader is a business (be that limited company or sole trader), nor does it imply any illegality in relation to their sales. It is simply the word we use to describe these types of user. Adverts.ie does not allow Traders.

Profiteering

Profiteering, in all its forms is prohibited on adverts.ie. This applies to all goods/services sold on adverts.ie. Profiteering is defined as: To make profits on goods in demand or where attempt to profit is suspected or apparent, such as the reselling of highly sought items (e.g. game consoles being sold in the run-up to Christmas above face value plus any reasonable postage or delivery charges).

hi toshiba2010 the reason you were called out over the price of the shot gun was you breached various form and adverts rules such as the ones listed above. if you wish to place adverts here you are required to first read and understand the rules

No text speak, there are more then 160 characters available here so there is no reason to use it

Posting rules:

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* No flaming, trolling or personal abuse. By anyone. First offense will result in a temporary ban. Subsequent offenses may result in longer bans or outright permanent bans. Posts containing offensive material will be edited by the moderators.

as for your first post in this thread you have created you have breached yet another rule for these breaches you have earned a week off. please use the time to read the rules

J.D.R

On this note, I don't agree with what toshiba did, but, if I am putting up an item, and I am really looking for 150, is it very wrong for me to put the original asking at 175?

I only ask as it seems even if someone is selling a vfc for €20 people will still try to get it for less, it's human nature.

Is this immoral/against the rules?

NakedDex

Different situation. Toshiba was specifically purchasing lower priced products to resell at a profit.
What you're describing is quite legitimate, in that you're seeking to get the price you want for an item you've used. In effect you're looking to get what you believe your rifle is worth on the pre-owned market.
Toshiba already mentioned he had no intention of ever using said items beyond seeking a profit.

Horse84

Off topic but nonetheless, if you post an asking price, which you believe to be fair and correct for that and you reject a lower offer for the item and then have the person making the offer question you and make it seem as though your asking price is exorbitant onthread. Is that a clear incidence of thread spoiling?

Inari

Horse84 wrote: »

Off topic but nonetheless, if you post an asking price, which you believe to be fair and correct for that and you reject a lower offer for the item and then have the person making the offer question you and make it seem as though your asking price is exorbitant onthread. Is that a clear incidence of thread spoiling?

I've asked this before on the guidelines thread, so I'll give you the answer I was given:

It is not considered thread spoiling when you (the poster) are genuinely interested in the item. So if, for example, you see an AEG up for sale costing €250 used, when you know it can be bought new for €220 - then if you were to post "Offer €200, as it can be bought new for €220" then it is not a threadspoil. That's the jist of what I was told at least

Br4tPr1nc3

trying to get a bargain is understandable,
and adding a little bit to your price is understandable, in order to get closer to your asking price.

but buying a shotgun for 30 euro, and turning around and trying to resell it the next day for 70 is profiteering.

and he told another guy that it wasnt the shotgun that was for sale a couple of days earlier....