Another reason to be happy the Dubs beat Tyrone this summer!

dcr22B

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139431

The last line proves what a cocky hoor he is:

"In the end, a fairly modest Dublin side had defeated Tyrone by five points to bring the 2010 season to an early conclusion."

Is there a chip on the shoulder there, sir? You didn't see the DCB complaining about the ropey penalty you won in the 2005 replay or how all 3 of your goals in the 2008 game had doubtful aspects about them.

Oh, by the way, enjoy NFL2 next year. We took extra special enjoyment in sealing your fate in both the League and Champo this year!

Hammer Archer

Sorry but I don't exactly see the problem here. He is bemoaning the fact that Tyrone had 17 wides, nothing to do with the referee. His is blaming Tyrone for the loss.
And I'd agree with him that Dublin's team last year was "modest" for the most part with the exception of Brogan. I'm not trying to have a go at Dublin, but it was hardly a fantastic team ye had last season.

dcr22B

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I'm not trying to have a go at Dublin, but it was hardly a fantastic team ye had last season.

I know you're not having a go at Dublin at all, I agree with pretty much everything you've posted but in my (albeit biased) eyes, he's been pure condescending towards Dublin and that makes victory twice as sweet now that they're hurting up there.

keane2097

It is a fairly modest Dublin side.

dcr22B

keane2097 wrote: »

It is a fairly modest Dublin side.

..........with the best player in the country this year!

I'm not arguing that we are a modest side. I just think that it smacks of sour grapes by calling us a fairly modest side. Mr McCaughey hasn't a kind word to say about his county hurlers so he'd better off sticking to the mantra if you've nothing good to say, don't say anything!

keane2097

dcr22B wrote: »

..........with the best player in the country this year!

I'm not arguing that we are a modest side. I just think that it smacks of sour grapes by calling us a fairly modest side.

Mr McCaughey hasn't a kind word to say about his county hurlers so he'd better off sticking to the mantra if you've nothing good to say, don't say anything!

Nope, criticism is an important part of life.

If you can't accept being told something negative about yourself by someone else, even when you're happy to accept that it's true, you've got a problem with oversensitivity.

Players, managers etc. within the GAA are guilty of being the most bland, banal, unexciting people on the planet when it comes to their dealings with the media.

All you hear from them are bullshít platitudes like "Sure lucky enough we got over the line", "we knew they'd put it up to us", "we were taking it one game at a time" and other fatuous nonsense.

Dublin are a modest team who Tyrone can rightly feel they might have beaten - why in the world should a person be afraid to say so if it's what they think and what everyone else thinks as well?

Lemlin

dcr22B wrote: »

..........with the best player in the country this year!

I'm not arguing that we are a modest side.

What are you doing if you're not arguing?

dcr22B

Lemlin wrote: »

What are you doing if you're not arguing?

I'm not arguing against that point. I just think it's a bit childish for a county representative to be condescending towards the opposition that put them out of the championship.

You don't see the DCB stating that "Dublin beat a Tyrone side that couldn't score in a whorehouse with a fistful of tenners in the second half" do you because that's the truth as well.

People would do well to remember that the "fairly modest" Dublin side were but a kick of the ball away from an All Ireland final.

mfceiling

dcr22B wrote: »

I'm not arguing against that point. I just think it's a bit childish for a county representative to be condescending towards the opposition that put them out of the championship.

You don't see the DCB stating that "Dublin beat a Tyrone side that couldn't score in a whorehouse with a fistful of tenners in the second half" do you because that's the truth as well.

People would do well to remember that the "fairly modest" Dublin side were but a kick of the ball away from an All Ireland final.

And if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.

It was a fairly modest side (bar brogan) and he made the point that they lost to them.

Nothing contoversial in saying that.........the dubs haven't won anything in 15 years now so for one of the stronger county teams to lose to them was a disappointment.

You're only as good as your last game so it'll be interesting to see where the dubs go this year

Lemlin

dcr22B wrote: »

I'm not arguing against that point. I just think it's a bit childish for a county representative to be condescending towards the opposition that put them out of the championship.

You don't see the DCB stating that "Dublin beat a Tyrone side that couldn't score in a whorehouse with a fistful of tenners in the second half" do you because that's the truth as well.

People would do well to remember that the "fairly modest" Dublin side were but a kick of the ball away from an All Ireland final.

How was he condescending? He gave his opinion and the bulk of people on here are backing it up. I'd also agree with him.

Het-Field

Historical revisionism is the best friend of the bitter man.

Tyrone hit 17 wides. That much is true. However, when one considers the nature of those wides, it tells a far different story. Tyrone's frontline was stifled, and they were forced to take pot shots from unkickable angles, and distances.

Dublin were the better side on the day. The business about "the woodwork" etc is pathetic. That is the type of break that a team gets, and it cannot negate the victory.

Dublin were decent in the summer. Nothing special. But they were well worth the win against Tyrone, and to suggest otherwise is rubbish. This is based on the reason i have outlined above.

Diabhal Beag

Nobody expected Dublin to be any good this year. We all thought they were out after Meath beat them. They proved to be a pretty good team in their rookie season.

This new squad is destined for big things in the next 5 years. They need to win Leinster next year (no doubt) but they will be a great team.

Tyrone were unbelievably over-rated this year. Dublin proved that with a classy performance.

Hammer Archer

dcr22B wrote: »

I know you're not having a go at Dublin at all, I agree with pretty much everything you've posted but in my (albeit biased) eyes, he's been pure condescending towards Dublin and that makes victory twice as sweet now that they're hurting up there.

Fair enough.

dcr22B wrote: »

Mr McCaughey hasn't a kind word to say about his county hurlers so he'd better off sticking to the mantra if you've nothing good to say, don't say anything!

Agreed 100%.

keane2097

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rpurfield

i know its the quiet time of year but to be making a big song and dance over what the tyrone sec has said in his report about dublin is a bit much.sure just get the dvd out and watch it again

LeoB

I think Dublin were a little more than modest this year. Simple fact is Dublin out fought Tyrone on the day and fully deserved their win. Kavenagh, McMenamen, McMahon were driven back every time they on the ball which is quite often what Tyrone do to other teams. Most teams do this for a spell but Dublin against Tyrone done it for about 80% of the game and the Tyrone players when shooting were always under pressure.

Gingy

Until we start winning All-Irelands, country folk are going to belittle our achievements. To call Dublin modest this year is a disgrace. We lost to the All-Ireland champions by 1 point, so it would appear to me that there was only one good team this year and that the rest ranged from modest to Kilkenny.

blackbelt

"Modest" is a bitter statement to be making about a very good young Dublin side.That was the best Dublin performance in years and it far outshadows any hammerings Pillars army ever gave to any team in league or championship.

Sean Cavanagh,Brian Dooher and Tommy McGuigan kept quiet....yeah a "modest" team does that.:rolleyes: Tyrone were outplayed,out thought,out fought,out-whatever.2nd best on the day whether they had 17 wides or 57 wides...not good enough to beat a fired up Dublin team.The only thing that matters is the scoreline at the end.

I think we all know the limitations of the Dublin team but I also feel they don't get the recognition they deserve which is disappointing.

keane2097

Gingy wrote: »

Until we start winning All-Irelands, country folk are going to belittle our achievements. To call Dublin modest this year is a disgrace. We lost to the All-Ireland champions by 1 point, so it would appear to me that there was only one good team this year and that the rest ranged from modest to Kilkenny.

Belittle your achievements? What achievements?

This is the problem - as soon as your team begins to perform anywhere above mediocre you get a vastly over-inflated sense of yourselves.

The whole "lost to the AI champions by a point" thing is such terrible logic as well, you would never use it in an argument where you didn't have a vested interest.

Like, does it mean that Limerick - who drew with Cork over 70 minutes rather than being beaten by them - are better than Dublin?

Gingy

keane2097 wrote: »

Belittle your achievements? What achievements?

This is the problem - as soon as your team begins to perform anywhere above mediocre you get a vastly over-inflated sense of yourselves.

The whole "lost to the AI champions by a point" thing is such terrible logic as well, you would never use it in an argument where you didn't have a vested interest.

Like, does it mean that Limerick - who drew with Cork over 70 minutes rather than being beaten by them - are better than Dublin?

...beating Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo away in the league. After losing to Meath, coming back and having a good run in the qualifiers, with promising performances from young players and actually showing some resolve against teams that in previous years we would bottle against...

Contrary to what most people outside the pale think, the vast majority of Dublin supporters, we do not have an over-inflated sense of ourselves, we know exactly where we are and it is definitely above being a mere 'modest' team.

ShamoBuc

Dublin a modest team? Without Brogan yes , with him, above modest! It will be very interesting to see how they get on in the next few years. A few wins away form home in the league is nothing to write home about IMHO. Did they win the league, Leinster, Sam last year?
They certainly have learned how to play to their strengths, in their formation and tactics. They will certainly benefit from last years championship run but I think they need a few more scoring forwards to lift Sam.

blackbelt

keane2097 wrote: »

Belittle your achievements? What achievements?

This is the problem - as soon as your team begins to perform anywhere above mediocre you get a vastly over-inflated sense of yourselves.

The whole "lost to the AI champions by a point" thing is such terrible logic as well, you would never use it in an argument where you didn't have a vested interest.

Like, does it mean that Limerick - who drew with Cork over 70 minutes rather than being beaten by them - are better than Dublin?

A team doesn't have to win any silverware to achieve anything.We beat the 2008 All Ireland Champions and current Ulster Champions with a fresh young team.A semi final with a decent performance is huge progress for Dublin given the hammerings we were subject to in 2008 and 2009 after winning Leinster.

Pat Gilroy's achievements are huge as well.He has brought expectation right down and guided the team to the cusp of making an All Ireland performance.Like what has been said in earlier posts,if we had another 2 more scoring forwards they could have made it.O Gara needs to work on shot selection and accuracy for points but if he can improve on that and everything else remains the same,Dublin will be an even more potent force next year.

keane2097

I agree with everything you're saying regarding where Dublin are as compared with where they have been for the last couple of years. They definitely seem to be on an upward curve for a change, and all while playing good football.

I hope they continue to improve because a strong Dublin team is great for football.

As it stands they're definitely not a whole lot above modest though, and won't be until they can consistantly produce the displays from the top of their range (i.e. versus Cork/Tyrone) and not from the bottom (Meath/Wexford).

flahavaj

They are a modest team.

mfceiling

blackbelt wrote: »

A team doesn't have to win any silverware to achieve anything.We beat the 2008 All Ireland Champions and current Ulster Champions with a fresh young team.A semi final with a decent performance is huge progress for Dublin given the hammerings we were subject to in 2008 and 2009 after winning Leinster.

Pat Gilroy's achievements are huge as well.He has brought expectation right down and guided the team to the cusp of making an All Ireland performance.Like what has been said in earlier posts,if we had another 2 more scoring forwards they could have made it.O Gara needs to work on shot selection and accuracy for points but if he can improve on that and everything else remains the same,Dublin will be an even more potent force next year.

And if Kerry find another Daragh O'Se/Kieran Donaghy

If Cork find another Nicholas Muphy/Graham Canty

If Tyrone find another Brian Dooher/Stephen O'Neill


Still stick by my point that the dubs are a "modest" team.....hard working, talented and full of heart yes, but not good enough to stamp their authority on Sam and take it back to the pale.

blackbelt

mfceiling wrote: »

And if Kerry find another Daragh O'Se/Kieran Donaghy

If Cork find another Nicholas Muphy/Graham Canty

If Tyrone find another Brian Dooher/Stephen O'Neill


Still stick by my point that the dubs are a "modest" team.....hard working, talented and full of heart yes, but not good enough to stamp their authority on Sam and take it back to the pale.

While I do agree with your post,I take exception to The Pale reference.:mad:

The_Kew_Tour

I can tell you as Cork fan that Dublin are far from ordinary team.

They should have beaten us in semi final but Cork experience and will to win won the day.

I dont think Dublin will win the AI either next year but I do think they will least get to final within next 3 years.

They have won the U21 and have some decent talent coming through.

It's not easy to win AI but if Dublin keep at it I dont see any reason why they cant win it. But it may just take few more years yet.

anbrutog

flahavaj wrote: »

They are a modest team.

More typical anti-Dublin bitterness. By your logic then just about every other team in the country are modest.
Tell me , on this years showing alone , from the start of the league to the finish , who would you class as the outstanding teams?
If the yardstick is AI and league sucess , Dublin would rank above most,
beating Kerry , Tyrone , Mayo ( all away ) , Monaghan , Derry in the league , finishing level with Cork and only not qualifying for the league final on a silly technicality introduced this year. Losing to the eventual AI winners by a point , in a game most ( if not all ) neutrals would agree that Dublin should have won.
Again , its not hype or anything like that, just a simple statement of facts that would surely put Dublin on the basis of their form over the last 10-11 months as one of the top few teams in the country. Add in our U21 win and I believe Dublin will be far stronger next year.

keane2097

The yardstick is not, and has never been, anything to do with the league by the way.

blackbelt

keane2097 wrote: »

The yardstick is not, and has never been, anything to do with the league by the way.

I would disagree with the logic personally.While the championship (summer football) is the supposed pinnacle of the association and championship silverware each county strives to win most,I believe the league is a better reflection of a team and its consistency.

I still believe Cork/Kerry are the best teams in the country because even though Kerry have dominated the last 10 years of championship football,Cork have won a lot of National League titles.

keane2097

blackbelt wrote: »

I would disagree with the logic personally.While the championship (summer football) is the supposed pinnacle of the association and championship silverware each county strives to win most,I believe the league is a better reflection of a team and its consistency.

I still believe Cork/Kerry are the best teams in the country because even though Kerry have dominated the last 10 years of championship football,Cork have won a lot of National League titles.

Nah you're only saying this because it suits your view of the strength of the Dublin team.

To suggest that the League is even close to the Championship in terms of definining the level a team is at shows a fundamental lack of understanding in how intercounty teams approach the GAA season.

I don't believe you actually misunderstand it this badly, I'd guess your just being biased.

blackbelt

keane2097 wrote: »

Nah you're only saying this because it suits your view of the strength of the Dublin team.

To suggest that the League is even close to the Championship in terms of definining the level a team is at shows a fundamental lack of understanding in how intercounty teams approach the GAA season.

I don't believe you actually misunderstand it this badly, I'd guess your just being biased.

If I had a biased view,I don't believe I would be citing the league as a credible competition in terms of how good or bad a team is.My own county Dublin hasn't exactly taken the league by storm over the years.

keane2097

But they just happened to get a few very good wins in it this year just gone.

Funny timing that...

blackbelt

keane2097 wrote: »

But they just happened to get a few very good wins in it this year just gone.

Funny timing that...

And if they don't in 2011,I will personally refer to this post and agree with the points I made above.I will stick by that.