Where do YOU keep your fighting spirit?

CloudRunner89

Hey everybody, due to looking forward to getting back into casuals, I've been online pretty much non-stop. At the minute I've hit a losing streak that I imagine puts the self-loathing of male erectile dysfunction to shame. The type where you lose to even online T.Hawk players. So I'm here for advice. I'm sure it happens to all of us (losing streaks not male erectile dysfunction, although there's nothing wrong with that either), so should I walk away before attacking my tv, switch up characters for fun, play ST? What do you do?

Sagat06

One of two things.... turn it off and watch Bear Grylls before falling asleep or play through the pain until I hit some sort of Nirvana state, stop shouting at my tv and start to actually play decently. It does happen honestly.

More often than not option one!!

ayjayirl

WTF? Colourful. My advice would be to watch a load of videos of others playin your character and see how they're playin the matches.

Also use the trials to help with execution.

CloudRunner89

ayjayirl wrote: »

WTF? Colourful. My advice would be to watch a load of videos of others playin your character and see how they're playin the matches.

Also use the trials to help with execution.

This is my usual "training" anyway but I think hitting traing mode for drills should help, TY!

@SAGAT06: I think that a mix of the two would make a godlike routine*

*from now on I'll by referring to this as "the perfect storm"

D4RK ONION

Some good advice for a similar problem in this thread

Sagat06

ayjayirl wrote: »

WTF? Colourful.

Solid advice. No?


Anywho for me losing streaks can be a combination of things. Picking up the game after a while off and expecting to be as good as you were the last time you played (but not being), or reading too much info on your character and thinking too much during real matches trying to execute things you are not natural enough at yet. So two things, one get into the training room and get your combos and links down to the point you dont even have to thing about doing them, and two persevere, losing streaks come to an end.

K.O.Kiki

Remember it's just online. Most Euro players are lag tactics abusing scrubs, so Feck them.

chueytoo

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Remember it's just online. Most Euro players are lag tactics abusing scrubs, so Feck them.

what he says is true, i hate playing online for that reason and only go to casual. If get use to online, it mess up my timing for combos >_<

CloudRunner89

I completely agree but not being xboxlive friends with any serious SF players in ireland and casuals being twice a week, it leaves you with little choice

Dreddybajs

To be honest I'm the same, I really do get frustrated and angry playing online, sometimes even after I win. I really don't feel like it's the same game, and sometimes adopting tactics that get me wins online annoy me more than losing.

It doesn't bother me at all losing to a player repeatedly offline, but SSF4 online really gets to me for some reason (GGPO is generally fine, maybe because the netcode is a lot better).

@ Cloudrunner: it's true that casuals are only a couple times a week usually, but stick up a thread a day in advance and a few people are usually up for heading in (probably not true during the Christmas season however).

Azza

I can't tell the difference between lag tactics and people who just don't play the game properly because they don't know how to.

What are lag tactics exactly? Obviously I do know what lag is and I have had plenty of laggy games, sometimes where my net is the cause of it (never intentionally though).

Ramza

Dreddybajs wrote: »

To be honest I'm the same, I really do get frustrated and angry playing online, sometimes even after I win. I really don't feel like it's the same game, and sometimes adopting tactics that get me wins online annoy me more than losing.

It doesn't bother me at all losing to a player repeatedly offline, but SSF4 online really gets to me for some reason (GGPO is generally fine, maybe because the netcode is a lot better).

@ Cloudrunner: it's true that casuals are only a couple times a week usually, but stick up a thread a day in advance and a few people are usually up for heading in (probably not true during the Christmas season however).

Yes, agreed. I rarely ever rage or get annoyed with a game but online with SFIV drove me crazy, as you said even when I did win I felt like it wasn't worth it

And yeah GGPO seems a lot better for sure....

As far as fighting spirit goes it really depends on the game. I don't play SFIV per se so I couldn't tell you

The one thing that keeps/kept me going is just sheer perseverance. Watching your matches/replays back and seeing where you went wrong, training mode obviously for execution and experimentation, watch videos and read forums, knowledge is power and time well spent is the greatest investment you can make

Don't push yourself but if you do want to get better just envision it and you will, with the right work. Be determined

blag

Ramza wrote: »

Don't push yourself but if you do want to get better just envision it and you will, with the right work. Be determined

Zen like advice :pac:

But seriously, playing SF4 online goes from infuriating to ridiculous at times. I stopped playing online for a few months and have started playing a bit again but am trying to avoid using Bison as much as possible for reasons Dreddy alluded to.

Playing online, I just pick characters I think are fun and mess around and it isn't half as irritating.

Doctor DooM

Azza wrote: »

I can't tell the difference between lag tactics and people who just don't play the game properly because they don't know how to.

What are lag tactics exactly? Obviously I do know what lag is and I have had plenty of laggy games, sometimes where my net is the cause of it (never intentionally though).

The tactic I've most often heard of as a lag tactic is the "online special" which is a shoto doing a jab SRK then immediately doing a fierce after it. Offline it's pretty punishable, online I've fallen prey to it many the time

blag wrote: »

Zen like advice :pac:

But seriously, playing SF4 online goes from infuriating to ridiculous at times. I stopped playing online for a few months and have started playing a bit again but am trying to avoid using Bison as much as possible for reasons Dreddy alluded to.

Playing online, I just pick characters I think are fun and mess around and it isn't half as irritating.

Think I am going to do this too. I get an offline rage fit every once in a blue moon but it's multiplied 1,000 fold online.

I don't like what it does to my game either- I rapidly devolve into mashing techs etc. because my timing is all off.

Anyway in answer to the OP if I lose a couple of matches in a row I stop playing or go to the training room and try to reset my brain before the rage sets in.

If you want people to play OP, there's a sticky at the top of this forum with all our XBLs in it.

UberPrinny_Baal

Doctor DooM wrote: »

The tactic I've most often heard of as a lag tactic is the "online special" which is a shoto doing a jab SRK then immediately doing a fierce after it. Offline it's pretty punishable, online I've fallen prey to it many the time

This is punishable offline?

I never knew that
Kens catch me with this all the time online.

My ratio of playing against Kens online Versus offline, is like 50 billion to one, once, and only for a few minutes.

unky chop chop

Yep fully punishable offline..The amount of gimps that use it online. The oul double DP whammy.
Scum.

UberPrinny_Baal

unky chop chop wrote: »

Yep fully punishable offline..The amount of gimps that use it online. The oul double DP whammy.
Scum.

You're the only Ken I've ever played offline, and you just Kara threw me to death :pac:

Double DP whammy never came up.

bush

This is me playing online.

Grumble grumble.... What is he doing?.... Grumble grumble.... Scrub....grumble grumble... Why would you do that?.... Grumble grumble.... OH MY GOD!

blag

bush wrote: »

This is me playing online.

Grumble grumble.... What is he doing?.... Grumble grumble.... Scrub....grumble grumble... Why would you do that?.... Grumble grumble.... OH MY GOD!

Haha, that pretty much sums it up for me, especially the "why would you do that?".

Ramza

The main word I use when playing online SFIV is

HOWWWWWWWW!!?!1111one

ayjayirl

Sagat06 wrote: »

Solid advice. No?

yeh it is, sorry, I was typing a reply and when I was finished, your one had come in. My colourful remark was for the original post

Placebo

SELL YOUR STICK and GAME
change your online name to RY

aka take a break

unky chop chop wrote: »

Yep fully punishable offline..The amount of gimps that use it online. The oul double DP whammy.
Scum.

excuse me, you do it all the time. Teaching paul bad tactics, now he does it too

Scavenger XIII

Placebo wrote: »

excuse me, you do it all the time.

thatsthejoke.jpg

unky chop chop

Placebo wrote: »

SELL YOUR STICK and GAME
change your online name to RY

aka take a break




excuse me, you do it all the time. Teaching paul bad tactics, now he does it too

The cheek. I never double DP. In fact I've ingrained it into my head so much that i hardly ever DP any more at all which is a problem.
Paul on the other hand is a different breed of Ken scrub..Random Sh1te galore it's hilarious.

As for you and your online Cammy antics..Forget about double dp..you can DP all day and never have to worry about recovery or punishment

Placebo

lads, the biggest lag tactics of all time is picking ken and kara throwing, go away u

unky chop chop

Pfff...the reason you get Kara thrown is because you tech at the wrong time, you don't expect them

Kara throws change the window/teching time needed

Doctor DooM

unky chop chop wrote: »

Pfff...the reason you get Kara thrown is because you tech at the wrong time, you don't expect them

Kara throws change the window/teching time needed

Can deejay be thrown out of sobat? If not that could be a REAL deterrant for compulsive kara throwers

unky chop chop

I've never done it.Your right his Sobats kill me when i fight him if used correctly.I HATE THEM

Azza

I doubt many people intentionally use lag tactics. Most people online simple don't know how to play properly and just do random things.

Double DP with Ken is difficult to punish offline if your trying to land a combo and not reset him. Nothing new though DP spam with Ken has been around since SF2. Be slightly easier in AE to punish it though.

Generic_name01

To the OP, do get mad when you lose or when you lose with your mains?

E.G I only ever get angry if I lose to someone I felt I should have beat if I'm gief or hakan.

I never use hakan in ranked theses days just because he is awkward enough to use offline and online it jams me up completely.

If I want have fun in ranked, I either pick random or if I'm hosting, I pick the character whose theme played in the lobby while I wait.

Or I pick gen, use crane stance and will only use cr.lk or throw for the whole match. If I lose, I've had a good laugh and if I win, any rage is totally gone.

FutureGuy

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Can deejay be thrown out of sobat? If not that could be a REAL deterrant for compulsive kara throwers

No he can't at the moment.

Doctor DooM

Azza wrote: »

I doubt many people intentionally use lag tactics. Most people online simple don't know how to play properly and just do random things.

Double DP with Ken is difficult to punish offline if your trying to land a combo and not reset him. Nothing new though DP spam with Ken has been around since SF2. Be slightly easier in AE to punish it though.

I've seen posts from both Chopper and A-Trak jokingly admitting to using them in the past.

Just because people aren't aware they're abusing lag doesn't mean they aren't (for example Ibuki's ex neck breaker is much much harder to block online than RL and personally I have a huge problem with hazan shu online too). But that's ok, because I assume when these players get offline and realise these moves aren't the free damage they are online they stop.

It's not really a biggy.

I dunno about you but it's very very rare for someone to land or even try a double dp on me off line.

Xinkai

Myself if I start to lose matches I know I should win cleanly and go into that '....Uuuggghhh.... fk sake' state if mind where I feel sort of demoralised, I just either turn off the game for the rest of the night & play an RPG to chill out & reduce the temper & blood pressure lol. 4 hours of rage due to SSF4 or BB can be washed away after 20-30 minutes of Fallout or Oblivion quests. Or just watch something on youtube for a while. Either way it all comes down to keeping calm. I could go on a 10 lose streak full of rage but once I cool down I usually go on a 20 win streak.

Azza

Its not a lag tactic if the person isn't aware he's doing it. Its just lag.

Placebo

lag is not as bad as it was in 3s on XBL.
I think it was more evident in Third strike, as insane stuff was working.
Mokoto was untouchable at the end of the day. I dont think any pro's touched online at the time.

CloudRunner89

Only rage if I lose with a main and not to sound cocky but I'll usually be convinced it was due to lag.

I completely agree with fallout for a rescue remedy, works wonders.

But tbh when I'm (most likely a lot of others here too) in the mood nothing can stop me from playing. Usually a cup of tea and a cigarette is all the break consists of.

Although something i've taken to is hitting trial/training with a char I don't use but would really like to have as a reliable alt, while having the SRK forum open beside me. You can get lost for hours memorizing their links and combo, let alone developing gameplans and tricks. It's solely due to times like these that I feel I can be somewhat of a terror with the saikyo master.

Doctor DooM

Azza wrote: »

Its not a lag tactic if the person isn't aware he's doing it. Its just lag.

Is that not just arguing semantics?

You could just as easily say it IS a lag tactic, just the player is not aware it is one.

Doesn't change the fact it's a tactic which the user is relying on lag for to succeed!

Anyway yeah taking a break when you're getting annoyed or burnt out is the way to deal with it.

bush

So do you consider throwing sonic booms a lag tactic then? Laggy booms are a nightmare but thats guiles playstyle.

Azza

Well I would consider "lag tactics" as something a player has deliberatley set out to do and I would consider it pretty lame if they did do so.

If they don't know lag is the reason or a contributing reason to the success of the tactics they are using then it isn't lag tactics. So I would like to make the distinction between the majority of players who don't do it or are not aware lag could be assisiting with the success of certain tactics and those (a very small minority IMO) that would deliberatley stoop to that level.

To say as Kiki said that "Most Euro players are lag tactics abusing scrubs" is just wrong. The majority of players online just not very good players as is the majority of players in nearly everyone online game in every genre (except old classics with an established hardcore player base). Most people don't have many people to play against offine, don't look up many replays or read forums in any great detail they just play the game and as a result can't play the game that well (being bad at a game isn't a crime). But at least they are not cheaters.

Doctor DooM

bush wrote: »

So do you consider throwing sonic booms a lag tactic then? Laggy booms are a nightmare but thats guiles playstyle.

Are they? How so? Is it the speed of the ex?
Yeah in that case throwing booms is a good lag tactic.

Doctor DooM

Azza wrote: »

Well I would consider "lag tactics" as something a player has deliberatley set out to do and I would consider it pretty lame if they did do so.

If they don't know lag is the reason or a contributing reason to the success of the tactics they are using then it isn't lag tactics. So I would like to make the distinction between the majority of players who don't do it or are not aware lag could be assisiting with the success of certain tactics and those (a very small minority IMO) that would deliberatley stoop to that level.

To say as Kiki said that "Most Euro players are lag tactics abusing scrubs" is just wrong. The majority of players online just not very good players as is the majority of players in nearly everyone online game in every genre (except old classics with an established hardcore player base). Most people don't have many people to play against offine, don't look up many replays or read forums in any great detail they just play the game and as a result can't play the game that well (being bad at a game isn't a crime). But at least they are not cheaters.

Put that way it's fair enough.

bush

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Are they? How so? Is it the speed of the ex?
Yeah in that case throwing booms is a good lag tactic.

Ye its hard to bulldog through them

A-Trak

unky chop chop wrote: »

.
Paul on the other hand is a different breed of Ken scrub..Random Sh1te galore it's hilarious.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I've seen posts from both Chopper and A-Trak jokingly admitting to using them in the past.
.

No joke, serious business.
jab srk to fierce is 70% of my Ken gameplay. Mix in the odd kara throw there you have it, gdlk online Ken.

I often mash out an ultra after the blocked j.srk to keep folks on their toes.

Ken B

A-Trak wrote: »

No joke, serious business.
jab srk to fierce is 70% of my Ken gameplay. Mix in the odd kara throw there you have it, gdlk online Ken.

I often mash out an ultra after the blocked j.srk to keep folks on their toes.

You da Best!

Misty Chaos

A-Trak wrote: »

No joke, serious business.
jab srk to fierce is 70% of my Ken gameplay. Mix in the odd kara throw there you have it, gdlk online Ken.

I often mash out an ultra after the blocked j.srk to keep folks on their toes.

Yeah, I sort of noticed that, you were recklessly activating Ken's ultra in a lot of the matches I played against you last night, only a few of them hit. I take you were only having a laugh, nothing wrong with that.

As for myself, I only ever rage in ranked mode. I know I shouldn't really care about points, especially considering that most of those on the top are cheating boosters but its still annoying to lose to stuff that wouldn't happen offline, like getting thrown when I had already pressed the throw command to tech! ( and its hardly the TV to blame anymore, the Xbox is connected via VGA. )

I've gotten so frustrated at times that I've slammed my fightpad on the ground. I've had to open it twice to fix dislodged buttons from me slamming it on the ground. Hence why I'm not too keen on having extended Ranked mode sessions, they are usually part of longer sessions, which I spend most of in an endless lobby.

In the case of endless mode online and offline casuals / tournaments, I'm more likely to feel depressed if I end up losing a lot or being knocked out earlier than I thought but I usually bounce back afterwards.

As for what I do to keep my fighting spirit up? If I have a particularly bad run in ranked mode, I'll avoid it for a few days. I'll also occasionally take a break from playing for a day or two. I'll also watch as many videos of GOOD players using my character and read up on any match ups I'm having trouble with.

K.O.Kiki

Best shoto lag-tactic:
Jump-in ANYTHING (blocked), then I get to see them walk forward for a full SECOND and BAM, I get thrown.

Only happens on medium-bad connections.

Ry

D4RK ONION wrote: »

Some good advice for a similar problem in this thread

Ahh those were the days

Given that I'm the foremost authority on rage and whinging, I'll give you my advice.

A couple of times I've done what Sagat08 said about playing through it and you get to a weird state of nirvana but that was after serious amount of self deprecation and hate until I just thought I give up and I dont care. It got to the point where I'd join a game and not press anything just because I knew I'd lose (Yeh I know). Then at this lowest point I stopped caring and started to just play again without care trying to just watch what they were doing and take something in since they were all so much better than me obviously cuz I'm losing. Gradually I started winning some and after a few more realised I hadn't lost a game in ages and was quickly regaining all the points I'd lost. I was also able to see how bad people were playing and how silly it'd been to be losing to them in the first place.

My advice is give it a break however because getting to that special I don't mind place is a horrible road to travel. Yeh it's lovely and you can play for ages once you get there win or lose but the rage before hand is just not worth it. As soon as you feel that first niggle from a loss. It's best to stop there before the next loss pushes it to a point of no return. I can't stop playing after I've lost a couple in a row because I feel like I've been beaten and that makes me want to win more just to redeem myself when I should really have taken a break after the first slight feeling of anger at a loss.

CloudRunner89

This seems a bit odd but I've been playing with no music, only fx and voices. Really helps focusing on the small things.

FoamyMushroom

CloudRunner89 wrote: »

This seems a bit odd but I've been playing with no music, only fx and voices. Really helps focusing on the small things.

Im the same, But recently I've been playing metal music for my ibuki gameplay.. Always appers that when i get the vortex going theres a really heavy part of the song, which is awesome..

If i get a game where its laggy I cant do **** cause of the timing of the vortex judging jump ins, crossup's and piddle like that. Pain the hole.

K.O.Kiki

If you just need to get used to losing, go on GGPO and play 3rd Strike.

The matches are faster, and you'll very likely get bodied by a few vets

HandiCapanda

Play seth for a few weeks and feel my pain. getting 'onlined' by some gypsy who randoms a shoryu is ridiculously annoying. Just remember often you aren't being outclassed, you're being screwed.

There are of course plenty of players that just outdo you, but just accept that they play more and know more. You'll just have to learn.

To deal with rage, often if i find something isn't working i try switching it up. Usually to easy mode characters like honda and guile.

Also try playing with people you know in endless because then its all banter and funny moments can be shared, just ask ken about hakan or dan, or even the ibuki taunt of all ibuki taunts.