Help Needed .. Taxing van issue???

Former Great · 09-12-2010 8:21pm #1

Hi there , bought a van a few months ago , was out of tax when i bought it and im only gettin around to taxing it now..In september the taxing of commericial vehicles have gone into the clouds for anyone not using there van for work related purposes.. I dont work for myself in fact im unemployed at the minute , but ive been told by a friend i can apply for a flock number and say im keeping chickens and get the tax at the normal price .. I need to know more about it and would be greatful to anyone that can help me.. Is this correct and if so how do i go about applying for a flock number?? Thanks

cormac_byrne · 09-12-2010 8:45pm

How big is the van? How many chickens do you think you could get in it?

Checkout http://www.omlet.co.uk
they might give you tips on adapting the van.

Former Great · 09-12-2010 8:48pm

cormac_byrne wrote: »

How big is the van? How many chickens do you think you could get in it?

Checkout http://www.omlet.co.uk
they might give you tips on adapting the van.

Hilarious..

Dupont · 09-12-2010 9:00pm

had my van in da name cos the insurance was killing me:( had to change logbook into my name get form signed by gards :mad:and letter from my employer(builder):mad: to tax it only have to do it the once but any time on its just tax as normal which is stupis cos u could lose job so its the stupidest law ive ever heard

if u have herd number its alright but to get one u have to have land livestock and a crush i think and they inspect it:eek:

Former Great · 09-12-2010 9:16pm

Dupont wrote: »

had my van in da name cos the insurance was killing me:( had to change logbook into my name get form signed by gards :mad:and letter from my employer(builder):mad: to tax it only have to do it the once but any time on its just tax as normal which is stupis cos u could lose job so its the stupidest law ive ever heardif u have herd number its alright but to get one u have to have land livestock and a crush i think and they inspect it:eek:

Cheers Dupont .. Heres the situation, we actually have a few chickens here at home , i was told i can get a flock number(same thing as a herd number) and then tax it at the normal price.. Also the van is still in the persons name i bought it off.. Just never got around to putting it into my own name, hadnt been drivin it much anyway.. Could i put the van in my fathers name ,he has a herd number as his a farmer..

-Corkie- · 09-12-2010 9:22pm

Former Great wrote: »

Cheers Dupont .. Heres the situation, we actually have a few chickens here at home , i was told i can get a flock number(same thing as a herd number) and then tax it at the normal price.. Also the van is still in the persons name i bought it off.. Just never got around to putting it into my own name, hadnt been drivin it much anyway.. Could i put the van in my fathers name ,he has a herd number as his a farmer..

Herd number will do op. You might get a better reply in the Farming forum. I am 99% sure though. Remember though for insurance though the jeep in his name you might not be covered.

Former Great · 09-12-2010 9:32pm

-Corkie- wrote: »

Herd number will do op. You might get a better reply in the Farming forum. I am 99% sure though. Remember though for insurance though the jeep in his name you might not be covered.

Yeah mite post this up there .. Suppose id have to ring up my insurance and find out from them if id be covered to drive the van in his name..Father already has a jeep in his name , would that have any effect on things , probably not...

-Corkie- · 09-12-2010 9:34pm

Former Great wrote: »

Yeah mite post this up there .. Suppose id have to ring up my insurance and find out from them if id be covered to drive the van in his name..Father already has a jeep in his name , would that have any effect on things , probably not...

I dont know being honest with you. The only thing is you would be a named driver. I would ring your insurance company first to make sure.:cool:

L-M · 09-12-2010 9:49pm

Former Great wrote: »

ive been told by a friend i can apply for a flock number and say im keeping chickens

There's being cute and there is being cute! That is gas!!!

Former Great · 09-12-2010 10:26pm

Limerick man wrote: »

There's being cute and there is being cute! That is gas!!!

Limerick Man ive been told everyones at it..

L-M · 09-12-2010 10:31pm

Former Great wrote: »

Limerick Man ive been told everyones at it..

I'm more laughing at the fact that we're probably the best in the world for finding away loop holes!

It's more than likely true, that's what I'm laughing at!

Former Great · 09-12-2010 10:36pm

Limerick man wrote: »

I'm more laughing at the fact that we're probably the best in the world for finding away loop holes!

It's more than likely true, that's what I'm laughing at!

Haha have to say i laughed at it myself when i first heard about it...

bmarley · 09-12-2010 10:43pm

I was self employed few years back but now unemployed...cant sell the van and tax overdue..how much is the new tax rates/any way around this

L-M · 09-12-2010 10:45pm

bmarley wrote: »

I was self employed few years back but now unemployed...cant sell the van and tax overdue..how much is the new tax rates/any way around this

The same as a car AFAIK.

Former Great · 09-12-2010 10:49pm

Limerick man wrote: »

The same as a car AFAIK.

The new rates are an awful lot higher limerick man i think

L-M · 09-12-2010 10:52pm

Former Great wrote: »

The new rates are an awful lot higher limerick man i think

I'd have assumed if you weren't using a van commercially you'd just pay the private tax rate based on CC or post 08 based on Co2!

Former Great · 09-12-2010 11:01pm

Limerick man wrote: »

I'd have assumed if you weren't using a van commercially you'd just pay the private tax rate based on CC or post 08 based on Co2!

I think its gone into the clouds , i was told around 700euro(By a friend) to tax my van a 1.9 nissan primastar.. Thats why i started this thread , if it was only around a hundred dearer it wouldnt bother me, but i think were talkin hundreds..

L-M · 09-12-2010 11:12pm

Former Great wrote: »

I think its gone into the clouds , i was told around 700euro(By a friend) to tax my van a 1.9 nissan primastar.. Thats why i started this thread , if it was only around a hundred dearer it wouldnt bother me, but i think were talkin hundreds..

Sure isn't that what you'd pay on a 2.0 anyway? That's normal my friend :P

Former Great · 09-12-2010 11:18pm

Limerick man wrote: »

Sure isn't that what you'd pay on a 2.0 anyway? That's normal my friend :P

Jesus hardly limerick man , the old tax disk wasnt in the van when i bought it so bi dont know.. My brother drives a toyota landcruiser and its under 300..

L-M · 09-12-2010 11:21pm

Former Great wrote: »

Jesus hardly limerick man , the old tax disk wasnt in the van when i bought it so bi dont know.. My brother drives a toyota landcruiser and its under 300..

Yes that's commercial tax of 282 (I think). They whole purpose of commercial tax was to help businesses, if you don't have a business then you don't get to avail of commercial tax! Just because you have 2 or three less seats and a huge boot doesn't lower your tax! So then you move into the private tax band and it's taxed the same as any normal car, as said above on CC or emisssions.

Former Great · 09-12-2010 11:25pm

Limerick man wrote: »

Yes that's commercial tax of 282 (I think). They whole purpose of commercial tax was to help businesses, if you don't have a business then you don't get to avail of commercial tax! Just because you have 2 or three less seats and a huge boot doesn't lower your tax! So then you move into the private tax band and it's taxed the same as any normal car, as said above on CC or emisssions.

Yeah limerick man i know that , thats why im trying to get a flock number, so il be able to get commercial tax..

L-M · 09-12-2010 11:27pm

Former Great wrote: »

Yeah limerick man i know that , thats why im trying to get a flock number, so il be able to get commercial tax..

LOL I hope you've enough chickens!

Former Great · 09-12-2010 11:28pm

Limerick man wrote: »

LOL I hope you've enough chickens!

I have 6 , Ah sure il buy a few more if need be

ted1 · 09-12-2010 11:29pm

how have you had it insured if it's not in your name? If your going to so much bother why not just sign the declaration? I've a company van and am more worried about the BIK if it's taxed as private.

Former Great · 09-12-2010 11:32pm

ted1 wrote: »

how have you had it insured if it's not in your name? If your going to so much bother why not just sign the declaration? I've a company van and am more worried about the BIK if it's taxed as private.

I just transfered to insurance from my last van over to this van ted1.. Whats BIK ,excuse my ignorance..

ted1 · 10-12-2010 12:29am

you can not insure a anything that's not in your name. As you suffer no financial loss from loss or damage to it. It's like
me insuring a strangers car. BIK is benefit in kind. A tax on a perk of a job at the moment i don't pay any but if it's classed as private i'd have to pay about 13.50 per cent of the dope court price in taxes.

Former Great · 10-12-2010 12:37am

ted1 wrote: »

you can not insure a anything that's not in your name. As you suffer no financial loss from loss or damage to it. It's like
me insuring a strangers car. BIK is benefit in kind. A tax on a perk of a job at the moment i don't pay any but if it's classed as private i'd have to pay about 13.50 per cent of the dope court price in taxes.

So technically im not insured until i fill out that change of ownership form, is that what ur sayin ted.. Never knew of BIK ted , jesus they have every fcuking law under the sun now..

ted1 · 10-12-2010 9:15am

yes technical your not insured. They will not pay out. As you will have suffered no loss.

Former Great · 10-12-2010 1:25pm

ted1 wrote: »

yes technical your not insured. They will not pay out. As you will have suffered no loss.

Right ted will sort it out straight away.. Any idea who much it will cost me to tax a 1.9 nissan primastar as private.. Also when i bought the van there was know tax disk up as it was just out , i see on the tax renewal form they want to know when the last motor tax expired , will they be able to tell me that at the tax office??

L-M · 10-12-2010 1:39pm

When did you buy the van?

thewintermute · 10-12-2010 1:44pm

Flock number?I have a garden full of starlings, do I qualify for commercial tax?I love this little country.

R.O.R · 10-12-2010 1:45pm

Tax should be €582 privately. I'm pretty sure that's the Renault engine and it's under 1,900cc.

Former Great · 10-12-2010 1:51pm

Limerick man wrote: »

When did you buy the van?

Bought the van end of august limerick man but its still in last owner name...

Former Great · 10-12-2010 1:52pm

R.O.R wrote: »

Tax should be €582 privately. I'm pretty sure that's the Renault engine and it's under 1,900cc.

\Yeah think ur right ROR.. Its scandalous that a person whos unemployed has to fork out that sort of money to tax a van..

Former Great · 10-12-2010 1:56pm

thewintermute wrote: »

Flock number?I have a garden full of starlings, do I qualify for commercial tax?I love this little country.

Still dont know the full story with this, i was told by a friend who has a friend whos mother works in the vdepartment of agriculture , that people are flat out applying for these flock numbers to get the cheaper tax:D

L-M · 10-12-2010 1:56pm

Former Great wrote: »

Bought the van end of august limerick man but its still in last owner name...

Oh, when you transfer it into your name your can just tax away, you don't have to delcare it off the road because you didn't own it. I hope you didn't go through ANYTHING recognised your reg (checkpoints etc.) in the last few months though, could open up a can of worms that you don't want open.

Former Great · 10-12-2010 1:59pm

Limerick man wrote: »

Oh, when you transfer it into your name your can just tax away, you don't have to delcare it off the road because you didn't own it. I hope you didn't go through ANYTHING recognised your reg (checkpoints etc.) in the last few months though, could open up a can of worms that you don't want open.

I know wat ur sayin limerick man hopefully i didnt .. Wasnt on the road much .. Im insured on it since september , dont they look for ur insurance disc when ur taxing ur vehicle, will anything be said when they see september on it..

L-M · 10-12-2010 2:01pm

No they look for your policy number.

Tbh you're breaking the law in a few ways in my eyes, in the next week get that van into your name and get it taxed. Take it from there then.

Former Great · 10-12-2010 2:10pm

Limerick man wrote: »

No they look for your policy number.

Tbh you're breaking the law in a few ways in my eyes, in the next week get that van into your name and get it taxed. Take it from there then.

Will do thanks for ur help limerick man..

-Chris- · 10-12-2010 3:12pm

Former Great wrote: »

Cheers Dupont .. Heres the situation, we actually have a few chickens here at home , i was told i can get a flock number(same thing as a herd number) and then tax it at the normal price.. Also the van is still in the persons name i bought it off.. Just never got around to putting it into my own name, hadnt been drivin it much anyway.. Could i put the van in my fathers name ,he has a herd number as his a farmer..

Hi Former Great,

I've locked this thread as you're essentially asking for ways to pay Commercial motor tax when you're not eligible for it, which is against the Charter.

Thanks,

Chris

Help Needed .. Taxing van issue???

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