FF FG coalition

Spacedog

Would FG sell out and go inot coelition with FF if it made up the numbers. Considering the Civil war is long over, both parties commited to the 26 county state outcome of that era, and more concerned with lining the pockets of their buddies and themselves while inflicting maximum hatred on the poor and handicapped. Wouldn't they make great coalition partners?

Sure selling out on a few values on both sides, but isn't that coalition politics for you? for FG it would be better than going into government with the looney left, and once they're in after the election they are accountable to no-one but themselves, to raise taxes, cut spending, give themselves raises.

FF would be grateful for the chance to redeem themselves by having a hand in implementing their 4 year plan that FG have already signed up to.

Basically FF and FG are the same party policy wise. the only feasable reason for them to remain in staunch opposition with one another is to provide some kind of Orwellian 1984 newspeak illusion that the only alternative to one bowel of **** is the other bowel of ****. like every other western democracy there are 2 right wing corrupt parties constantly talkng and fighing over stuff they know they agree on..

Nope, not a chance. Why? Pigheadedness really.

AckwelFoley

You dont understand the battle of left wing vs right wing in Irish politics if you think that is even a runner

Ive got a better chance of getting a Start for Man United against Arsenal next monday than a FG /FF government happening

djk1000

Spacedog wrote: »

Would FG sell out and go inot coelition with FF if it made up the numbers. Considering the Civil war is long over, both parties commited to the 26 county state outcome of that era, and more concerned with lining the pockets of their buddies and themselves while inflicting maximum hatred on the poor and handicapped. Wouldn't they make great coalition partners?

Sure selling out on a few values on both sides, but isn't that coalition politics for you? for FG it would be better than going into government with the looney left, and once they're in after the election they are accountable to no-one but themselves, to raise taxes, cut spending, give themselves raises.

FF would be grateful for the chance to redeem themselves by having a hand in implementing their 4 year plan that FG have already signed up to.

Basically FF and FG are the same party policy wise. the only feasable reason for them to remain in staunch opposition with one another is to provide some kind of Orwellian 1984 newspeak illusion that the only alternative to one bowel of **** is the other bowel of ****. like every other western democracy there are 2 right wing corrupt parties constantly talkng and fighing over stuff they know they agree on..

If that happens in my life time, I'll eat my hat, seriously, I'll actually eat my hat. It's like saying that Protestantism and Catholicism are virtually the same so they should get together. Political parties are generally pragmatic but also have very long memories when it comes to things like civil war.

ebbsy

That would be twice the stupidity then.

Mike 1972

Given what previous coalitions with FF have done to the poll ratings of Labour, The PD's and now the Greens any hint that FG would go into government with FF would confirm the suspicions of those who maintain they have a death wish.

AckwelFoley

Dónal wrote: »

Nope, not a chance. Why? Pigheadedness really.

No, because they are two major centerist parties.

It would diminish their vote and increase labours which in itself wouldnt be the end of the world, but it would also increase the share of votes for parties like Sinn Fein

Nobody with even a semi functioning brain wants that

OPENROAD

snyper wrote: »

You dont understand the battle of left wing vs right wing in Irish politics if you think that is even a runner

Do we really have a left v right in Ireland, I don't get Irish politics, FG and Labour in coalition, did we have the possibility of Labour and FF at some stage.

snyper

snyper wrote: »

You dont understand the battle of left wing vs right wing in Irish politics if you think that is even a runner

There's sweet FA between the parties in terms of political position.

Both are centrist.

It will never happen though.

AckwelFoley

OPENROAD wrote: »

Do we really have a left v right in Ireland, I don't get Irish politics, FG and Labour in coalition, did we have the possibility of Labour and FF at some stage.

no, not of any significance - Lab are cent Left, with their leader being of a more hard left origin. Many of the other Lab TD's could really be in FG or FF.

There is no far right - The PD's were/are as far right as the Greens are left, but neither are a significant force in Irish political life other than the fact they got into government and performed a tail wagging the dog trick

AckwelFoley

rarnes1 wrote: »

There's sweet FA between the parties in terms of political position.

Both are centrist.

It will never happen though.

Fully agree on both counts - i explained myself better perhaps in subsequent posts i made

cbl593h

I may be incorrect but I believe Austin Deasy (father of John,FG TD) once advocated this???

Mike 1972

snyper wrote: »

There is no far right - The PD's were/are as far right as the Greens are left

The Greens claim not to be left wing. In fact they reject the concept of a left/right spectrum.

The Shinners are a far right party despite successfully fooling a lot of people with pretences to the contrary.

CokaColumbo

How about a poll to see how receptive AH posters are to the idea?

OPENROAD

OPENROAD wrote: »

Do we really have a left v right in Ireland, I don't get Irish politics, FG and Labour in coalition, did we have the possibility of Labour and FF at some stage.

FF and FG are centrist.
Labour are socialist left.
Sinn Fein are further left.

OPENROAD

rarnes1 wrote: »

FF and FG are centrist.
Labour are socialist left.
Sinn Fein are to the left again.

So how can Labour and FG go into coalition

AckwelFoley

Mike 1972 wrote: »

The Greens claim not to be a left wing. In fact they reject the concept of a left/right spcctrum.

./QUOTE]

Walks like a duck, Quacks like a duck, wears Sandles...

OPENROAD

OPENROAD wrote: »

So how can Labour and FG go into coalition

Both need each other to make up numbers

They have some major differences to sort out but they will compromise I'd imagine.

OPENROAD

rarnes1 wrote: »

Both need each other to make up numbers

They have some major differences to sort out but they will compromise I'd imagine.

I know, still think its a bit mad, suppose thats what you get with PR system.

Spacedog

I don't know what peoples perception of LEFT/RIGHT is if they say that FF/FG are centerist.

For me:
Right = move towards - lower taxes on middle/upper classes, employers and protect the wealth and power of elite.
Left = move towards - increased public services and funding for the poor, paid for by increased taxed on middle/upper classes, to more evenly distribute wealth of a nation to all it's people.

Now, the idea of privitising state run profit making facilities, like Eircom, ESB etc. while nationalising loss making private businesses, like AIB and BoI at the loss of the tax payers, more so percentage wise to the minimum wage tax payer, to me seems a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle Right of centre to me.

Pherekydes

snyper wrote: »

Ive got a better chance of getting a Start for Man United against Arsenal next monday than a FG /FF government happening

Rooney's injured too ugly. Can you take his place against Arsenal this weekend? You don't get his pay, but we'll arrange something with a granny instead.

Regarding the original question, FG would require some world class spin to go into coalition with the gombeenman party (their description).

Killer Pigeon

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Son Of A Vidic

Christ! a FG and FF coalition, all they need to do then is buy some jackboots and brown shirts and they'd be sorted.

Arts student

Spacedog wrote: »

Would FG sell out and go inot coelition with FF if it made up the numbers. Considering the Civil war is long over, both parties commited to the 26 county state outcome of that era, and more concerned with lining the pockets of their buddies and themselves while inflicting maximum hatred on the poor and handicapped. Wouldn't they make great coalition partners?

Sure selling out on a few values on both sides, but isn't that coalition politics for you? for FG it would be better than going into government with the looney left, and once they're in after the election they are accountable to no-one but themselves, to raise taxes, cut spending, give themselves raises.

FF would be grateful for the chance to redeem themselves by having a hand in implementing their 4 year plan that FG have already signed up to.

Basically FF and FG are the same party policy wise. the only feasable reason for them to remain in staunch opposition with one another is to provide some kind of Orwellian 1984 newspeak illusion that the only alternative to one bowel of **** is the other bowel of ****. like every other western democracy there are 2 right wing corrupt parties constantly talkng and fighing over stuff they know they agree on..

**** both FF and FG, two sides of the same coin regardless of what anybody says to the contrary. I wouldn't touch either with a ten foot barge pole. What really needs to happen in this country is for a stronger left and an alternative centre-right party to counterbalance the left. FF & FG = opportunists voted in by attending funerals, fixing potholes and blaming their own mistakes on others and getting away with it.

To be honest, I cringe as much at the thought of Enda been taoiseach as I do Cowen.

melekalikimaka

Spacedog wrote: »

I don't know what peoples perception of LEFT/RIGHT is if they say that FF/FG are centerist.

For me:

Left = move towards - increased public services and funding for the poor, paid for by increased taxed on middle/upper classes, to more evenly distribute wealth of a nation to all it's people.

FF created the highest minimum wage in europe and pumped unheard of money into public services and social welfare...

Spacedog

melekalikimaka wrote: »

FF created the highest minimum wage in europe and pumped unheard of money into public services and social welfare...

...go on... what did they do after that?

melekalikimaka

Spacedog wrote: »

...go on... what did they do after that?

thats not the issue, the claim that left wing political agendas were in the posters opinion left wing, I merely pointed out that it was also the policy of a right wing party in out country, their actions after were actions ANY party could carry out, are you implying that the actions were the actions of a right wing government or are you trying to argue left wing parties are incorruptible?

Spacedog

melekalikimaka wrote: »

thats not the issue, the claim that left wing political agendas were in the posters opinion left wing, I merely pointed out that it was also the policy of a right wing party in out country, their actions after were actions ANY party could carry out, are you implying that the actions were the actions of a right wing government or are you trying to argue left wing parties are incorruptible?

I was arguing that FF are not centerist.

I believe ALL politicans are completly corrupt, but we can discuss that in another thread.

Johro

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael can do what they like. I'll be voting Sinn Fein.

goose2005

melekalikimaka wrote: »

FF created the highest minimum wage in europe and pumped unheard of money into public services and social welfare...

False. Ireland's minimum wage was lower than UK, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Denmark even before another euro was taken off it. Moreover, Irish social services and infrastructure are very poor - I'd much prefer to have the French minimum wage and social services than the Irish equivalent. And the "unheard-of" money was almost all salary increases.

FF are not right-wing or left-wing or centrist. They have no ideas or policies beyond a very weak republicanism and the desire for power and influence.