2010 Budget - Don't see any bombshells...

Dades

Well they've made some changes to the VRT setup, but haven't gone near the 30 year exemption, which is great.

Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT)
The following package of measures will be introduced:

Car scrappage scheme is being extended for the period 1 January
to 30 June 2011. VRT relief of up to €1,250 will be provided
where a car of 10 years or older is scrapped in accordance with
certain criteria and a new car of emissions bands A or B (i.e. with
CO2 emissions of 140g/kg or less) is purchased.

The VRT relief for series production hybrid and flexible fuel
vehicles, due to expire on 31 December 2010, is being extended
for two years until 31 December 2012, with the rate of relief
provided being up to €1,500.

The current VRT flat-rate of €50 for Commercial (Category C)
vehicles is being increased to €200, to take effect from 1 May
2011

No mention of Motor Tax either, though I don't know if that usually makes the draft docs?

macplaxton

Dades, Did you read the budget report?

You've missed highlighting the bombshell - a four-fold increase in VRT.

As I've anally harped on about for ages, vehicles over 30 years-old aren't VRT free like some folk say, but they fall into VRT category C.

"The current VRT flat-rate of €50 for Commercial (Category C) vehicles is being increased to €200, to take effect from 1 May 2011."

Guys (and gals) if you have any vehicles in that category to import, you want to pull them in and register them before May or pay an extra €150.

corktina

I was wondering about that too...

Bigus

If its not worth paying 200 euro tax to import its not worth importing ..

superfly35

Bigus wrote: »

If its not worth paying 200 euro tax to import its not worth importing ..

It is all relative, I don't really see why I should give €200 for importing a vehicle.

I really need to register this car as soon as possible, it is a pity it is a project car and it don't drive!!

Max_Damage

I'm hoping to Christ they don't go near the 30 year rule, as I'm just over a year left until the Mk3 hit's that age!

corktina

superfly35 wrote: »

It is all relative, I don't really see why I should give €200 for importing a vehicle.

I really need to register this car as soon as possible, it is a pity it is a project car and it don't drive!!

not only will it need to be drivable, you'll have to have finished the restopration before they'll entertain it...got a tough 4 or 5 months work ahead of you:(

Tommyboy40

superfly35 wrote: »

It is all relative, I don't really see why I should give €200 for importing a vehicle.

I really need to register this car as soon as possible, it is a pity it is a project car and it don't drive!!

I paid €8500 to import a 14 year old SL

Dades

macplaxton wrote: »

As I've anally harped on about for ages, vehicles over 30 years-old aren't VRT free like some folk say, but they fall into VRT category C.

I did not know vintage stuff were in catagory C. :eek:

Oddly enough though, this doesn't really bother me too much. If they'd pulled the exemption flat rate completely that would be a nightmare. €200 seems okay still compared with the VRT I paid for the last car I brought in - which worked out at 50% of what I paid for the car.

It was this and motor tax I really concerned about.

corktina wrote: »

not only will it need to be drivable, you'll have to have finished the restopration before they'll entertain it...got a tough 4 or 5 months work ahead of you:(

Why do you say he'll have to finish restoration first? Don't the rules just say it has to be drivable?

Max_Damage

€200 to import any old car? That's grand so!

carchaeologist

Max_Damage wrote: »

€200 to import any old car? That's grand so!

It used to be €50, which was much grander... It does specifically say 'commercial' vehicles, is it a definate that Classics will also be hit?

Max_Damage

Does this €200 charge apply to cars less than 30 years old too?

aidhan

It used to be €50, which was much grander... It does specifically say 'commercial' vehicles, is it a definate that Classics will also be hit?

Commercial vehicles ie: vans/trucks which are in category c are being increased to E200. Doesn't imply (hopefully) that everything else in category c is to be increased also. I guess we will find out soon enough..

macplaxton

carchaeologist wrote: »

is it a definate that Classics will also be hit?

Yup, because:

First the Revenue (or agent e.g. NCT crowd) has to decide if it's a "mechanically propelled vehicle" and particularly point (d).

A mechanically propelled vehicle for VRT purposes is defined in section 63 of the Finance Act 2007. S63 states "
'mechanically propelled vehicle' means a vehicle that-
(a) has been designed and constructed for road use,
(b) is, at the time of declaration for registration, in compliance with any measures taken to give effect in the State to any act of the European Communities relating to the approximation of the laws of Member States in respect of type-approval for the type of vehicle concerned,
(c) is intended or adapted for propulsion by a mechanical means, or by an electrical means or by a partly mechanical and a partly electrical means, and
(d) is capable of achieving vehicle propulsion at the time of registration, to the satisfaction of the Commissioners
including a motor-cycle but not including a tramcar or other vehicle running on permanent rails or a vehicle including a cycle with an attachment for propelling it by mechanical power not exceeding 400 kilogrammes in weight unladen adapted and used for invalids;"

Then it needs to be determined which category it falls:

Category C:
This category includes:

• all large commercial vehicles not falling into Category B;
• crew cabs with a cargo area length exceeding 45% of the wheelbase and a GVW exceeding 3,500 kilograms;
• motor caravans exceeding 3,000 kilograms unladen weight;
• "listed vehicles";
• vehicles (excluding motor-cycles) which are more then 30 years old at the time of registration. (Actually this covered by the "listed vehicle" definition, but they spell it out in the VRT manual.)

And "listed vehicles" are defined by S.130 of the Finance Act, 1992.

"listed vehicle" means one of the following vehicles, namely, an ambulance, a hearse, a bus, a special purpose vehicle, an agricultural tractor, a two-wheeled tractor, a fire engine, a fire-escape, a road sweeper, an invalid carriage, an armoured fighting vehicle, or a vehicle (not including a motor-cycle) which is shown to the satisfaction of the Commissioners to be more than 30 years old at the time of registration;

So unless it's a motorcycle or tricycle (which come under Category M and dealt with by cc), it'll be a flat rate €200.

macplaxton

Max_Damage wrote: »

Does this €200 charge apply to cars less than 30 years old too?

Yes, but only if they fall into Category C.

corktina

Dades wrote: »

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Why do you say he'll have to finish restoration first? Don't the rules just say it has to be drivable?

Irresepective of what the rules say, the NCTS will not re-register an un-roadworthy vehicle. A case recently of a guy with a car with a rusty door pillar, had to get it welded first (and they wanted to see the weld before it was painted). Now, maybe the restoration wont need to be finished completely but if it doesnt have a current MoT or equiv then they will be inspecting it for roadworthiness

Dades

corktina wrote: »

Irresepective of what the rules say, the NCTS will not re-register an un-roadworthy vehicle...

So they're more "guidelines" than "rules". :pac: Wonderful.

aidhan wrote:

Commercial vehicles ie: vans/trucks which are in category c are being increased to E200. Doesn't imply (hopefully) that everything else in category c is to be increased also. I guess we will find out soon enough..

Fair point!
Might be worthwhile seeing the full wording of this more when it comes out:

The current VRT flat-rate of €50 for Commercial (Category C)
vehicles is being increased to €200, to take effect from 1 May
2011

Clutching I suspect, though!

spooky donkey

any one hear any thing about changes to the tax system? I only tax my 27 year old car for the 3 months of the summer and declare if off road the rest of the year because it is. But i heard a rumour they are doing away with that and you would have to pay back tax either way. Any one else hear that? OK for 30 year old cars and such but the new cars will fall in to the full years tax if this is the case.

spooky donkey

hold that thought I just saw it mentioned in another thread.

macplaxton

corktina wrote: »

Irresepective of what the rules say, the NCTS will not re-register an un-roadworthy vehicle. A case recently of a guy with a car with a rusty door pillar, had to get it welded first (and they wanted to see the weld before it was painted). Now, maybe the restoration wont need to be finished completely but if it doesnt have a current MoT or equiv then they will be inspecting it for roadworthiness

If it was pre 1980, I would have told them to f**k off and got the Revenue on the case. There isn't a roadworthiness test requirement for vehicles pre-1980.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but if you think the clown down at the NCT place doesn't have a clue, then challenge them and take it higher.

corktina

nevertheless, car has to either have a roadworthiness cert from the country of import or they will check it for roadworthiness...call it what you like, thats a test to me.

corktina

from the VRT website

For vehicles over 4 years old, an unexpired roadworthiness certificate confirming that an equivalent to the NCT test has been passed. Where this documentation is not available, the vehicle may be called for a roadworthiness test shortly after registration

In otherwords the procedure will not be completed until inspected.

macplaxton

I still believe what has happened in that case was a procedural error. PM me some more details on it, as I wish to clarify a "hypothetical case" with the NCTS/Revenue.