FIFA corruption

profitius · 07-12-2010 3:48pm #1

The good news is this is finally getting media coverage. The bad news is people are saying its just the British media getting them back for not giving the world cup to England. Thats true but the corruption is also true.

I read on the Sunday Times that they reported a few months back that England would not get the world cup. On the noght before it was to be announced there was a reporter on the radio saying that England and Russia were the two favourites and Putin hasn't turned up so the reported believed that ment Putin thought Russia had little chance and therefore she believed England would get it.

A few hours later England were hot favourites. They've probably the best facilities for hosting it etc.

Well all know what happened. England got just 2 votes and Russia won! So it was clear why Putin didn't turn up the night before, its because there was no need for him to be there.

Then to confirm how corrupt FIFA are Qatar got the 2022 world cup. Qatar, half the size of Wales, about 1 million population and average summer temperatures of 42C and about 10 stadiums needing to be built!! They're rich with oil money though and thats whats important to FIFA.

I'm glad the British media are p!ssed off because at least now they'll be out to get FIFA!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/537046-corruption-in-fifa-part-2-the-jack-warner-story

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-cup/news/2010/12/06/fifa-at-centre-of-more-corruption-claims-over-1million-vote-deals-115875-22764429/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-cup/news/2010/12/03/world-cup-votes-confirm-fifa-corruption-115875-22757907/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3259948/Ex-FIFA-insider-Mel-Brennan-calls-for-reform.html

The Recliner · 07-12-2010 4:12pm

What is the CT here?

profitius · 07-12-2010 4:21pm

The Recliner wrote: »

What is the CT here?

People think all the reporting is a conspiracy theory against FIFA. I bet a few months ago it would have been less believable.

Divorce Referendum · 07-12-2010 8:12pm

Panorama investigated this a week ago. Good video and was aired before the decision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjlZw9NGSlU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQy4eT4M9I

CiaranMT · 07-12-2010 8:46pm

Not really a CT per se - it's an open secret that FIFA is corrupt, with Blatter pulling all the strings.

Glenflesk · 09-12-2010 8:55pm

Why do people always think things are a conspiracy? Maybe Russia was just a better place to have the world cup. England hosted it 44 years ago so they should have to wait longer. I think its exciting to have it in places like Qatar for a change.

Namlub · 09-12-2010 9:00pm

Yeah, Fifa's corrupt. Breaking news!

Divorce Referendum · 09-12-2010 9:05pm

Glenflesk wrote: »

Why do people always think things are a conspiracy? Maybe Russia was just a better place to have the world cup. England hosted it 44 years ago so they should have to wait longer. I think its exciting to have it in places like Qatar for a change.

Because it isnt a conspiracy per se. It is actual a 'fact' that some of the officials that decide the bid were bribed by payments through companies that they own. It hasnt been investigated so they continue to do it. These officials are the 'untouchables'.

Take a look at the video I posted. Fifa are more corrupt than our famous banksters here. Another fact is that fifa have a list of unbelievable demands on the countries hosting the world cup like tax breaks and such. Apparently england and the dutch werent happy with all of these, russia on the other hand probably gave in to all of them.

profitius · 09-12-2010 9:26pm

So most people now think FIFA are corrupt. I wonder how much of that is because of the negative media attention FIFA are getting? I bet if the media were quiet on it alot of these same people would never believe FIFA are corrupt even if presented with all the same evidence.

Divorce Referendum · 09-12-2010 9:30pm

profitius wrote: »

So most people now think FIFA are corrupt. I wonder how much of that is because of the negative media attention FIFA are getting? I bet if the media were quiet on it alot of these same people would never believe FIFA are corrupt even if presented with all the same evidence.

Well not in my case anyway. I would definitely said they were corrupt even before the media made some noise about bribes. But then again I am a life long soccer supporter and not everyone is one of those.

Namlub · 09-12-2010 9:34pm

profitius wrote: »

So most people now think FIFA are corrupt. I wonder how much of that is because of the negative media attention FIFA are getting? I bet if the media were quiet on it alot of these same people would never believe FIFA are corrupt even if presented with all the same evidence.

Yeah, I base all my opinions on what I read in the Daily Mail. It's not a wild accusation- Sepp Blatter hasn't stayed in power this long because he's such a stand-up guy...

profitius · 09-12-2010 10:13pm

Namlub wrote: »

Yeah, I base all my opinions on what I read in the Daily Mail. It's not a wild accusation- Sepp Blatter hasn't stayed in power this long because he's such a stand-up guy...

I was talking about people who do base there opinions from what they're told in the mainstream media.

CiaranMT · 10-12-2010 12:07am

Glenflesk wrote: »

Why do people always think things are a conspiracy? Maybe Russia was just a better place to have the world cup. England hosted it 44 years ago so they should have to wait longer. I think its exciting to have it in places like Qatar for a change.

Exciting? Playing games in 40 degree heat with empty stadiums and played at odd times of the day to appease the TV moguls? To each their own I guess...

profitius wrote: »

So most people now think FIFA are corrupt. I wonder how much of that is because of the negative media attention FIFA are getting? I bet if the media were quiet on it alot of these same people would never believe FIFA are corrupt even if presented with all the same evidence.

profitius wrote: »

I was talking about people who do base there opinions from what they're told in the mainstream media.

You don't have to be spoon-fed news from what you call "mainstream media" to know that FIFA is corrupt. Look at the way they rejigged the draw for WC qualifying this time last year to get the bigger, stronger and wealthier countries to the Finals.

Cavehill Red · 10-12-2010 12:14am

I've a football administration conspiracy theory. I reckon they rig the Champions League.
Evidence? How about the quarter final draw being leaked on a Liverpool website in 2008 2 hours before it actually took place? The odds of someone guessing correctly were over a hundred to one.
Or even better, the time that the result between a contentious tie controversially refereed between Chelsea and Barcelona in the 2009 semi final was PUBLISHED on the UEFA website hours before the game kicked off?
The match report, complete with what players were booked!!!, was later described as a 'test run'.

Divorce Referendum · 10-12-2010 11:01am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I've a football administration conspiracy theory. I reckon they rig the Champions League.
Evidence? How about the quarter final draw being leaked on a Liverpool website in 2008 2 hours before it actually took place? The odds of someone guessing correctly were over a hundred to one.
Or even better

This was on the liverpool echo's forum not their website. And i have been on forums before champions league draws before and a handful of people have guessed correctly especially for a quarter final. The odds are 104/1 hardly significant considering people win accumalators at 5-10000/1

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The time that the result between a contentious tie controversially refereed between Chelsea and Barcelona in the 2009 semi final was PUBLISHED on the UEFA website hours before the game kicked off?
The match report, complete with what players were booked!!!, was later described as a 'test run'.

From goal.com;

It is claimed that the dummy report predicted that Barcelona would score a late goal, as well as rightly guessing three of the four Blues players who were booked - Didier Drogba, Michael Ballack and Alex.

"This ‘test’ is remarkably similar to the actual result," a Chelsea supporter is quoted as saying.

However, a picture of the dummy report has Chelsea down as having one player sent off and Barcelona none, but the Spanish side were actually reduced to ten men on Wednesday while the Blues were not.

Left out some information there as well. If you believe that I would say you are a Chelsea fan:).

By the way all of this is controlled by UEFA who certainly arent as corrupt as fifa.

http://soccer.firstblogfirst.com/2010/12/04/fifa-may-have-to-look-to-neighbours-uefa/

Cavehill Red · 10-12-2010 3:05pm

The Liverpool Echo forum IS a feckin Liverpool website. Did you think it was a graffitied wall or something?
The odds are significant in the context of the strenuous insistance of the original poster who revealed the information, who claimed to be utterly disgusted with UEFA having been leaked the information along with others in Switzerland. He wasn't guessing. He was outraged.
As for the Chelsea game, and no, I'm not a fan, they got the score correct, named three booked Chelsea players and perhaps the ref misunderstood his orders and sent off the wrong fella.
And UEFA are FIFA's bitch, with that corrupt and odious individual Platini in charge, a man who ran around the Heysel stadium to the shame of his fellow players showboating after scoring a penalty in a final most of them didn't want to even play in because people were dying on the terraces.
Platini is his master's voice in UEFA, his master being his mentor, Sepp Blatter of FIFA.
Incidentally, you may note that I said it was a conspiracy theory related to football administration and not specifically FIFA. Though FIFA's corruption is well-established, going back to the days of Havelange of the brown envelopes and his sidekick, Orange Order bigot Harry Cavan.

Divorce Referendum · 10-12-2010 4:14pm

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The Liverpool Echo forum IS a feckin Liverpool website. Did you think it was a graffitied wall or something?

It isnt a Liverpool website. If it was it would have to be official and it isnt. It is the website of a newspaper and we all know how reliable the press are dont we:rolleyes:.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The odds are significant in the context of the strenuous insistance of the original poster who revealed the information, who claimed to be utterly disgusted with UEFA having been leaked the information along with others in Switzerland. He wasn't guessing. He was outraged.

Who leaked the info to him. Did we ever hear from this infamous poster on a forum again? Was it platini on the phone to him?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

As for the Chelsea game, and no, I'm not a fan, they got the score correct, named three booked Chelsea players and perhaps the ref misunderstood his orders and sent off the wrong fella.

Yes they got the score correct. 1-1 wow. Its not like it was 4 feckin 3 or anything. Those three players are likely to get booked in most games because they are defensive and carry out alot of tackles. So what you are saying here is that the ref, the players, the two clubs all played a match at full pelt essien was let score that wonder goal and so was iniesta. The ref was only allowed to book certain players and missed one and then sent off the wrong player from the wrong team. He must have been missing his spectacles.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

And UEFA are FIFA's bitch, with that corrupt and odious individual Platini in charge, a man who ran around the Heysel stadium to the shame of his fellow players showboating after scoring a penalty in a final most of them didn't want to even play in because people were dying on the terraces.
Platini is his master's voice in UEFA, his master being his mentor, Sepp Blatter of FIFA.
Incidentally, you may note that I said it was a conspiracy theory related to football administration and not specifically FIFA. Though FIFA's corruption is well-established, going back to the days of Havelange of the brown envelopes and his sidekick, Orange Order bigot Harry Cavan.

Yes because platini was president of UEFA in 1985 while he was playing in that match was he?:rolleyes:. What the hell has that got to do with anything?. And by the way its not to clear that Platini actually knew that there had been any fatalaties. Kenny Dalglish didnt know of any fatalities and neither did some of the fans in the opposite end of the ground.

Excerpt from Kenny Dalglishs recollections: http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/dalglish-heysel.shtm

If I had known about the fatalities, I would not have wanted to play. You go along to watch a game. You don't go along expecting that sort of ending, do you? never have occurred. Every single one of them, both Italian and English, must have regretted it. I'm sure they still do now.

Friends of mine who were at Heysel told me afterwards they never knew that had been fatalities. They knew there had been trouble but not to what extent. When you are in a foreign country, it's difficult to find out what's going on. I don't even know how informative the PA system was. Confusion reigned.

By the way UEFA have a habit of riling up FIFA so I wouldnt call them their bitch:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/452170-platini-vs-blatter-fifa-and-uefa-at-loggerheads-over-the-future-of-football

Platini probably will get Blatters job. So we will see if the corruption continues then.

Cavehill Red · 10-12-2010 4:21pm

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

It isnt a Liverpool website. If it was it would have to be official and it isnt. It is the website of a newspaper and we all know how reliable the press are dont we:rolleyes:.

What drugs are you on? It's a website yes or no? Based in Liverpool, yes or no?

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Who leaked the info to him. Did we ever hear from this infamous poster on a forum again? Was it platini on the phone to him?

Why don't you go ask him?

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Yes they got the score correct. 1-1 wow. Its not like it was 4 feckin 3 or anything. Those three players are likely to get booked in most games because they are defensive and carry out alot of tackles. So what you are saying here is that the ref, the players, the two clubs all played a match at full pelt essien was let score that wonder goal and so was iniesta. The ref was only allowed to book certain players and missed one and then sent off the wrong player from the wrong team. He must have been missing his spectacles.

Boy are you struggling with that explanation. But keep going, it's entertaining.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Yes because platini was president of UEFA in 1985 while he was playing in that match was he?:rolleyes:.

No, he was simply a scumbag then. Now he's a scumbag in charge of UEFA. Do keep up.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

What the hell has that got to do with anything?. And by the way its not to clear that Platini actually knew that there had been any fatalaties.

But Platini DID know. He admitted so in 2005 on the 20th anniversary.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

By the way UEFA have a habit of riling up FIFA so I wouldnt call them their bitch:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/452170-platini-vs-blatter-fifa-and-uefa-at-loggerheads-over-the-future-of-football

Platini probably will get Blatters job. So we will see if the corruption continues then.

Well, duh. UEFA are even more corrupt than FIFA are under Platini.

profitius · 10-12-2010 4:21pm

FIFA are also totally against having TV match officials like they do in rugby. It would be harder to cheat if this came in because refs couldn't award penalties as easily.

Also while we're talking about sport how about GAA refs making a draw of games. Its been happening for decades and nobody says anything about it because the draw gives teams another chance (and a pay day for the GAA). But people do bet on matches and GAA refs have cost people a lot of money over the years.

Cavehill Red · 10-12-2010 4:22pm

profitius wrote: »

FIFA are also totally against having TV match officials like they do in rugby. It would be harder to cheat if this came in because refs couldn't award penalties as easily.

Also while we're talking about sport how about GAA refs making a draw of games. Its been happening for decades and nobody says anything about it because the draw gives teams another chance (and a pay day for the GAA). But people do bet on matches and GAA refs have cost people a lot of money over the years.

I don't punt much on GAA. But I have noticed the price on the odds of a draw in championship games have falled from around 12 or 14/1 to around 7/1 over the past few years. So the bookies have spotted this too.

profitius · 10-12-2010 4:43pm

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I don't punt much on GAA. But I have noticed the price on the odds of a draw in championship games have falled from around 12 or 14/1 to around 7/1 over the past few years. So the bookies have spotted this too.

If theres a point or two in it near the end the team who are losing will get every 50/50 decision going. If the ref makes a draw of it he's then in the GAA's good books.

Divorce Referendum · 10-12-2010 7:33pm

Cavehill Red wrote: »

What drugs are you on? It's a website yes or no? Based in Liverpool, yes or no?

Is there reliable information posted on a newspaper message board yes or no? They actually cover Evertons misfortunes as well so is it eclusively a Liverpool website yes or no or is it just a newspaper board? Too be honest if he had of posted it on RAWK I probably would have laughed less.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Why don't you go ask him?

Nah im not the one that believes in his ridiculous post. But im guessing you do so if he has just dissappeared after making this claim we can put it to bed here now that he isnt a reliable source either as you dont seem to bothered. Number one put to bed as being false.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Boy are you struggling with that explanation. But keep going, it's entertaining.

Well when someone posts a ridiculous conspiracy theory do you just expect everyone just to say yes cavehill red that right its true. The theory about Chelsea/Barca you posted is ridiculous and you know it.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

No, he was simply a scumbag then. Now he's a scumbag in charge of UEFA. Do keep up.

How do you know he is a scumbag?. I am assuming you have never met him? I mean i met a number of people that I would have thought to be scumbags but they actually turned out to be ok.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

But Platini DID know. He admitted so in 2005 on the 20th anniversary.

Really? Any quotes or links to this on the interweb?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Well, duh. UEFA are even more corrupt than FIFA are under Platini.

Really any more wild ridiculous claims of UEFA corruption that you cant explain or back up like the last two? Because to be honest FIFA are very corrupt.

Cavehill Red · 10-12-2010 9:39pm

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Is there reliable information posted on a newspaper message board yes or no? They actually cover Evertons misfortunes as well so is it eclusively a Liverpool website yes or no or is it just a newspaper board? Too be honest if he had of posted it on RAWK I probably would have laughed less.

It's a website from Liverpool - a Liverpool website. I really don't see how you can fail to comprehend this simple fact.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Nah im not the one that believes in his ridiculous post. But im guessing you do so if he has just dissappeared after making this claim we can put it to bed here now that he isnt a reliable source either as you dont seem to bothered. Number one put to bed as being false.

You haven't demonstrated it was false.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Well when someone posts a ridiculous conspiracy theory do you just expect everyone just to say yes cavehill red that right its true. The theory about Chelsea/Barca you posted is ridiculous and you know it.

There you go again. You haven't demonstrated it was ridiculous. I gamble on soccer occasionally. Even getting the winner correct in a game like Chelsea V Barca isn't easy. Getting the correct score, and naming three booked players is close to a miracle

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

How do you know he is a scumbag?. I am assuming you have never met him? I mean i met a number of people that I would have thought to be scumbags but they actually turned out to be ok.

Actually, I did have the displeasure once. An extraordinarily arrogant and rude individual. Fulfilled all my expectations of him and worse.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Really? Any quotes or links to this on the interweb?

Yes, there are indeed. April 2005. 20th anniversary. Widely reported. Google is your friend.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Really any more wild ridiculous claims of UEFA corruption that you cant explain or back up like the last two? Because to be honest FIFA are very corrupt.

Since I haven't presented any wild or ridiculous claims, I don't have more of similar to offer.
I am aware of many examples of UEFA corruption, though.

Divorce Referendum · 10-12-2010 10:11pm

Cavehill Red wrote: »

It's a website from Liverpool - a Liverpool website. I really don't see how you can fail to comprehend this simple fact.

Really is this a 'wexford' website. http://www.wexfordpeople.ie No its a website for a newspaper in wexford. Your very loose term doesnt make sense.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

You haven't demonstrated it was false.

Hmm how about its a random anonymous bloke saying that the draw was rigged on a message board. Ever read boards.ie? Lots of people make loads of claims and assertions and alot of them pretty much false. Now if we had any inkling of how this was leaked or who this guy is then maybe it could be true but no we have nothing so how can anyone say its true?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

There you go again. You haven't demonstrated it was ridiculous. I gamble on soccer occasionally. Even getting the winner correct in a game like Chelsea V Barca isn't easy. Getting the correct score, and naming three booked players is close to a miracle

It is ridiculous because it would take all parties involved to make the tie a fix as the theory suggests. The ref on his own would have a hard time manufacturing an exact score. 1-1 in a game like that is a common score. As a betting man you will know the higher scoring draws and higher scoring outright wins would have higher odds. I dont really have to prove anything. It is ridiculous because you havent shown an ounce of proof of how it happened except half right mystic fifa.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Actually, I did have the displeasure once. An extraordinarily arrogant and rude individual. Fulfilled all my expectations of him and worse.

Aaaawww pity did he slap ya across the cheek or sumthing:D

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Yes, there are indeed. April 2005. 20th anniversary. Widely reported. Google is your friend.

Ya google and all and couldnt I find him saying that all. I guess that didnt happen either unless Im proven wrong. Its amazing that he could have known 39 people died before the game commenced.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Since I haven't presented any wild or ridiculous claims, I don't have more of similar to offer.
I am aware of many examples of UEFA corruption, though.

Really none? The use of the word I in the first one is a major giveaway.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I reckon they rig the Champions League

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Well, duh. UEFA are even more corrupt than FIFA are under Platini.

I really thought that you could prove the one above though. Very dissapointed that you dont have the courage to post other examples of corruption within UEFA.

Cavehill Red · 10-12-2010 10:47pm

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Really is this a 'wexford' website. http://www.wexfordpeople.ie No its a website for a newspaper in wexford. Your very loose term doesnt make sense.

Yes, it's a Wexford website. Specifically a website for a Wexford newspaper. Do you need help tying your laces? Are you always this slow?

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Hmm how about its a random anonymous bloke saying that the draw was rigged on a message board. Ever read boards.ie? Lots of people make loads of claims and assertions and alot of them pretty much false. Now if we had any inkling of how this was leaked or who this guy is then maybe it could be true but no we have nothing so how can anyone say its true?

That's not proving it false, though, is it? Anyone who would have had this leaked to them would likely be facing a lot of trouble by revealing themselves. Loss of their job. Lawsuits. Look at the US army lad who leaked to Wikileaks, for example. In such a position, I would take exactly those precautions in putting information into the public domain. Lash it up on a website forum where it will be seen and vanish.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

It is ridiculous because it would take all parties involved to make the tie a fix as the theory suggests. The ref on his own would have a hard time manufacturing an exact score. 1-1 in a game like that is a common score. As a betting man you will know the higher scoring draws and higher scoring outright wins would have higher odds. I dont really have to prove anything. It is ridiculous because you havent shown an ounce of proof of how it happened except half right mystic fifa.

Your explanation is that FIFA are psychic? You are hilarious.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Aaaawww pity did he slap ya across the cheek or sumthing:D

No. I witnessed him refuse to meet kids and sign autographs and do so in quite an ignorant fashion. Arsene Wenger, who was at the same event, was absolutely delightful by comparison. So was Guy Roux. Only Platini was too up himself to bother.

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Ya google and all and couldnt I find him saying that all. I guess that didnt happen either unless Im proven wrong. Its amazing that he could have known 39 people died before the game commenced.

How very remedial of you: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/something-inside-me-died-that-night-531163.html

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

I really thought that you could prove the one above though. Very dissapointed that you dont have the courage to post other examples of corruption within UEFA.

It's not an issue of courage. I've already demonstrated their corruption. When you learn to use Google, no doubt you'll be able to find many more examples yourself.

Divorce Referendum · 11-12-2010 12:40am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

That's not proving it false, though, is it? Anyone who would have had this leaked to them would likely be facing a lot of trouble by revealing themselves. Loss of their job. Lawsuits. Look at the US army lad who leaked to Wikileaks, for example. In such a position, I would take exactly those precautions in putting information into the public domain. Lash it up on a website forum where it will be seen and vanish.

Yes and that explanation doesnt make it true. Unfortunately its just a guy saying the draw is rigged. About legal action and that, I dont see the BBC being threatened by legal action from FIFA because everything in that docu i posted is true. If this guy was 100% certain and had concrete proof you can name and shame anyone. The U.S. is a different story. They can make you dissapear indefinitely :eek:

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Your explanation is that FIFA are psychic? You are hilarious.

Nah that was tongue in cheek because despite numerous posts an explanation to match fixing hasnt become apparent. But im sure that fifa just fixed the match somehow. Thats as far as it goes. Amazing

Cavehill Red wrote: »

No. I witnessed him refuse to meet kids and sign autographs and do so in quite an ignorant fashion. Arsene Wenger, who was at the same event, was absolutely delightful by comparison. So was Guy Roux. Only Platini was too up himself to bother.

I can think of alot of footballers/managers that behave similarly. I would not describe them as scumbags though. Scumbags are generally the worst in society. I wouldnt put him in that bracket because he snubbed autographs. It happens all to often now in football.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

How very remedial of you: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/something-inside-me-died-that-night-531163.html

Oh right so he didnt know that 39 people had died. He heard some obviously unconfirmed info that 1-2 people had died. That doesnt make him a scumbag. As he said trouble was all to common in those days. To illustrate this do you remember leeds and galatasaray?. Now that game went ahead as well even though two fans had been murdered and this is only 10 years ago. The players played as normal except for the Galatasarays refusal to wear armbands. Leeds and Galatasary all scumbags then i guess?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

It's not an issue of courage. I've already demonstrated their corruption. When you learn to use Google, no doubt you'll be able to find many more examples yourself.

Im guessing your lack of a reply to presenting wild and ridiculous claims means you did. You made the statement that under platini uefa are more corrupt than fifa. Ya see in the real world you dont really make claims without having some kind of evidence. Im not going to google it you made the claim so you must have something that made your mind up about it.

Jakob · 11-12-2010 7:51am

Glenflesk wrote: »

Why do people always think things are a conspiracy? Maybe Russia was just a better place to have the world cup. England hosted it 44 years ago so they should have to wait longer. I think its exciting to have it in places like Qatar for a change.

Sepp ?

FIFA corruption

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