How does the 00's compare to other decades in terms of music?

Rds1989

Do you think that it was better or worse than previous decades naming albums and bands which you think define the decade.

Miguel_Sanchez

On average it was about the same.

James2693

90s was the best. Stone roses, oasis etc

KeanSeenan

James2693 wrote: »

90s was the best. Stone roses, oasis etc

Really?I've alwas had a strong hate for Oasis, I like the Stone Roses, but hate Ian Brown also.
I think the 00s brought about some great stuff.
The re-emergence of Mangum has brought me to think that In the Aeroplane.. is probably my favourite 90s album.

Fanny Cradock

Which is better: red or blue?

When I'm not enjoying nostalgia from years past, I think that I'm given over to disliking the music I once thought was special.

lordgoat

KeanSeenan wrote: »

I think the 00s brought about some great stuff.
The re-emergence of Mangum has brought me to think that In the Aeroplane.. is probably my favourite 90s album.

He played a gig over the weekend.

KeanSeenan

Yeah, that's what I meant.He's playing one with an Elephant 6 big band type thing, I think.

rcaz

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

On average it was about the same.

My two favourite albums ever are The Soft Bulletin (1999) and Kid A (2000). TSB recording started in 97 and Kid A recording in 99. Kid A gets thought of as a noughties album, because it came out at the start of the decade, and it sounds so 'new' or whatever, and TSB has the same feel about it, a 'new' feel, and the later Lips albums obviously came from this same mindset. The sound of TSB, as far as I can tell, came straight from Zaireeka anyway.

There isn't much of a difference, the great albums you can think of from any decade came from the previous decades, and went on to influence the following ones.

But for the noughties, we've got Kid A, Amnesiac (both Radiohead), Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots, At War With The Mystics (both The Flaming Lips), drukqs (Aphex Twin), Draft 7.30 (Autechre), all of Grizzly Bear, Candylion (Gruff Rhys), all just off the top of my head of what I've been listening to... A pretty good decade methinks!

Android 666

Ah, I remember when I used to be really into nostalgia…

John

El Pr0n wrote: »

Kid A (2000)... Kid A gets thought of as a noughties album, because it came out at the start of the decade

Decades start on the xxx1 year (i.e. 2001 was the first year of this decade), not on the xxx0 year. There was no 0 AD, the calendar was adjusted to start on 1 AD so that's why. So Kid A was a 90s album full stop.

This decade has been as good as any other, loads of great stuff for those will to look for it.

thesultan

You use to get a few singles in the singles chart that one could buy. Not now but there hasn't been for some time. Jools Holland is really the only show that a band can aspire too. We had CDUK and top of the pops before ( most of it was rubbish but at least one could see one good band on them). Arctic Monkeys, Fleet Foxes, Pearl Jam (still) Kings of Leon all fine bands out this decade. ARe there ( bar Pearl Jam 90's really) as good as bands from other decades , probably not

ValJester

Depends really.As has been noted by many people, the internet had a collossal impact via both file-sharing and fragmentation that has yet to be fully assessed.

RibenaHead

I think it's hard to define the music of a decade without living through it. If the songs were released while you were living through the decade, they will have been in your environment and part of the culture in which you were raised. Consequently, this might affect how you view the music of your life and music from previous decades....

ColmDawson

Anyone who says this decade wasn't as good as others wasn't listening to enough music.

lordgoat

thesultan wrote: »

You use to get a few singles in the singles chart that one could buy. Not now but there hasn't been for some time. Jools Holland is really the only show that a band can aspire too. We had CDUK and top of the pops before ( most of it was rubbish but at least one could see one good band on them). Arctic Monkeys, Fleet Foxes, Pearl Jam (still) Kings of Leon all fine bands out this decade. ARe there ( bar Pearl Jam 90's really) as good as bands from other decades , probably not

You need to listen to more music. Have a check of the recommend a song thread/recently listening thread and there are plenty of wonderful bands from this decade. Infact 3 of them played in the last 7 days

KeanSeenan

Yeah, listen to lordgoat, I think putting this decade down to Kings of Leon,a band who have released one album and the arctic monkeys, who I just don't like, is an insult to some of the brilliant stuff out nowadays.

mosstin

James2693 wrote: »

90s was the best. Stone roses, oasis etc

The Stone Roses made their only significant contribution in the '80s. Their underwhelming sophomore effort was '90s but that scarcely defined a decade.

loyatemu

John wrote: »

Decades start on the xxx1 year (i.e. 2001 was the first year of this decade), not on the xxx0 year. There was no 0 AD, the calendar was adjusted to start on 1 AD so that's why. So Kid A was a 90s album full stop.

you're mixing up centuries and decades in your pedantry there. The no year zero argument holds true for centuries as they are numbered sequentially (19th century, 20th Century etc) and the first century ran from 1ad to 100ad. But a decade is any 10 years, and we generally define them based on the first 3 numbers - so the 90s is from 1990 to 1999. To suggest that 1990 was in the 80s is ludicrous - it may have been in the 198th decade but who's counting.

Nolanger

80s
synthpop
new romantic
acid house
speed metal
gothic rock
glam metal
madchester
thrash metal
shoegazing
hip hop
high energy
techno
Stock Aiken Waterman

00s
X factor
grime
dozens of bands trying to sound like The Strokes/Libertines

lordgoat

Nolanger wrote: »

80s
synthpop
new romantic
acid house
speed metal
gothic rock
glam metal
madchester
thrash metal
shoegazing
hip hop
high energy
techno
Stock Aiken Waterman

00s
X factor
grime
dozens of bands trying to sound like The Strokes/Libertines

Jesus when you list it like that there really was an awful lot of ****e in the 80's.
You've also put a sports drink in third last from the end. What's that about? Or are you referring to Jane Fonda's work out videos? Hardly a musical movement...

rcaz

lordgoat wrote: »

Jesus when you list it like that there really was an awful lot of ****e in the 80's.
You've also put a sports drink in third last from the end. What's that about? Or are you referring to Jane Fonda's work out videos? Hardly a musical movement...

like 'Hi NRG' dance music? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-NRG

Nolanger wrote: »

80s
synthpop
new romantic
acid house
speed metal
gothic rock
glam metal
madchester
thrash metal
shoegazing
hip hop
high energy
techno
Stock Aiken Waterman

00s
X factor
grime
dozens of bands trying to sound like The Strokes/Libertines

That's a very good list of good and bad things, if you're into really selective lists tailor-made to support one particular argument. I like the way you summed up an entire decade by a TV show, one genre of music, and a relatively tiny amount of boring musicians.

lordgoat

El Pr0n wrote: »

like 'Hi NRG' dance music? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-NRG



That's a very good list of good and bad things, if you're into really selective lists tailor-made to support one particular argument. I like the way you summed up an entire decade by a TV show, one genre of music, and a relatively tiny amount of boring musicians.

/note to self increase sarcasm by 20%!!

Man i hate genres. Completely pointless pidgeonholing music imo.

John

loyatemu wrote: »

you're mixing up centuries and decades in your pedantry there. The no year zero argument holds true for centuries as they are numbered sequentially (19th century, 20th Century etc) and the first century ran from 1ad to 100ad. But a decade is any 10 years, and we generally define them based on the first 3 numbers - so the 90s is from 1990 to 1999. To suggest that 1990 was in the 80s is ludicrous - it may have been in the 198th decade but who's counting.

Touché.

rcaz

lordgoat wrote: »

/note to self increase sarcasm by 20%!!

Man i hate genres. Completely pointless pidgeonholing music imo.

Ugh, I'm not very good at sarcasm on Boards am I?

Agreed though.

Miguel_Sanchez

John wrote: »

Touché.

They were around in the 90's weren't they?

KeanSeenan

lordgoat wrote: »

Man i hate genres. Completely pointless pidgeonholing music imo.

Yeah, I've always seen them as the laziest way to describe music to somebody/try to make music to appeal for a market.Plus they sort of put subconcious limits on what we expect.

Hannibal

KeanSeenan wrote: »

Yeah, listen to lordgoat, I think putting this decade down to Kings of Leon,a band who have released one album and the arctic monkeys, who I just don't like, is an insult to some of the brilliant stuff out nowadays.

Kasabian are a notch above both them imo. If you think this decade was bad wait until we look back on the next one which i'm expecting to be dreadful as a result of the xfactor and the likes

rcaz

Dotsey wrote: »

Kasabian are a notch above both them imo. If you think this decade was bad wait until we look back on the next one which i'm expecting to be dreadful as a result of the xfactor and the likes

What about the reaction to X Factor though?

For everyone you hear complaining about how X Factor is ruining music, surely somebody has to decide to shut up about it and make their own music?

djfitzerjnr

the 00's had The Strokes - Is This It.

nuff said

rcaz

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

the 00's had The Strokes - Is This It.

nuff said

Depends on the point you're trying to make :pac:

SilverScreen

Nolanger wrote: »

80s
synthpop
new romantic
acid house
speed metal
gothic rock
glam metal
madchester
thrash metal
shoegazing
hip hop
high energy
techno
Stock Aiken Waterman

00s
X factor
grime
dozens of bands trying to sound like The Strokes/Libertines

Looks like you haven't heard a whole lot of music from 2000 onwards if you've just summed up the 00's with those 3. There's been some excellent music released during the 00's that makes the decade just as good as others. You mentioned shoegazing in the 80's, there were shoegaze bands releasing some incredible music during the 00's that was just as good as the 80's and 90's, bands like Asobi Seksu, The Daysleepers, Autolux, Airiel etc.
It was also a really great decade for indie music, and not of The Strokes/Libertines variety. What about bands like Bon Iver, Band Of Horses, My Morning Jacket, Camera Obscura, The National etc? I just don't think you should dismiss the 00's that easily.

And btw Stock Aiken Waterman were responsible for turning pop music from a monument of youth culture to commercialised, money-spinning dribble.

songswap

I reckon the 00's were particularly good if you enjoy music festivals in this country!

KeanSeenan

I think the 00s/now have been really great in terms of Irish music too.

nyarlothothep

The early 00s, 2000-2004 were interesting, it was shall we say somewhat diverse, you have a resurgence of metal, with bands both good and bad, like QOTSA and you also had artists like TMV Goldfrapp and random pop hits which were actually good as with Junior Senior. Alongside this you had a kind of indie 80s things going which became dominant from then on and then music became a lot more boring, 2004 onwards. I barely connect with anything popular now, I wish I could, but I just hate it all. In that respect the 00s really did resemble the decade it so worshipped, the 80s.

Nolanger

90s
grunge
rave
trip hop
black metal
drum and bass
Britpop
progressive house
breaks
trance
nu metal
gabber
pop punk
crunk

00s
dubstep
UK garage
lots of overrated bands copying music from earlier decades

songswap

KeanSeenan wrote: »

I think the 00s/now have been really great in terms of Irish music too.

Absolutely, and also great in terms of access to music and hybrid musics from other cultures, now known as "world music"!
Back to your point, I feel some great artists of song in Ireland got a fair airing but many have been too quick to dismiss some as stereotypical "singersongwriters"

songswap

nyarlothothep wrote: »

The early 00s, 2000-2004 were interesting, it was shall we say somewhat diverse, you have a resurgence of metal, with bands both good and bad, like QOTSA and you also had artists like TMV Goldfrapp and random pop hits which were actually good as with Junior Senior. Alongside this you had a kind of indie 80s things going which became dominant from then on and then music became a lot more boring, 2004 onwards. I barely connect with anything popular now, I wish I could, but I just hate it all. In that respect the 00s really did resemble the decade it so worshipped, the 80s.

Fair point, I think now that music now is in the best place it could be at the minute, for me at ant rate.

It is infinitely more exciting to hear someone sing a song, make a tune or beat in your immediate space. Better still, getting involved!

nyarlothothep

songswap wrote: »

Fair point, I think now that music now is in the best place it could be at the minute, for me at ant rate.

It is infinitely more exciting to hear someone sing a song, make a tune or beat in your immediate space. Better still, getting involved!

aye, I discovered a Finnish doom metal band called Reverend Bizarre since disbanded in 2007 but they were amazing. I prefer 90s music, even the crap stuff, its just more fun, less self conscious, richer and more adventurous. Watching Qs top 100 90s albums, and was surprised to find that I was enjoying it, for example ash followed by portishead followed by supergrass followed by Snoop Dog. Good times.

BornToRun88

nothing beats the 60s or 90s, great pop/rock music plus many definitive albums from each decade

DJ Feego

Bring back the Spice Girls! lol

seachto7

There are lots of really really good Irish bands doing the rounds at the moment, from The Cast of Cheers, to Windings, to whoever else floats your boat.
They seem to be getting good album reviews and live reviews.

It's kind of like the late 80s / early 90s was the last time there were really good Irish bands on the scene, things kind of petered out in the 90s and early 00s.

However, though lots and lots of these bands are really good at the moment, lots of them still sound too like other (really good) bands from the UK and the USA, so there may not be much more of a market for them?

However, there are definitely a few of them who could potentially get big. The bar seems to have been raised alright..

scientific1982

Apart from electronic music, it was the worst decade for music.

John

Yeah, I had to make do with 30+ awesome albums a year for most of this decade. Really poor show.

To the OP: That's such a difficult question to answer because it's completely subjective. People with different tastes will give you different opinions.

As a fan of intelligent songwriting and thoughtful arrangement, as a musician, and most importantly as someone who believes music is for more than making a quick buck by banging out your latest single for a euro on iTunes, i would have to say that i think the naughties didn't stand up to the nineties in terms of what i would call "great" music. It didn't even come close. Just compare any decent top 100 list from both decades. I did, and i counted at least twice as many "landmark" albums before the milennium than after. In addition, i think the noughties was the decade that manufactured pop really took hold and didn't let go, after the success of the early boy/girl bands of the mid 90's.

But that's just my taste.

It's only my opinion, but i think as well as the boy band craze, the entire music scene was changed completely by the advent of mp3, digital downloads, and broadband from the turn of the century onwards, and we now live in an age that is closer to the 50's and 60's in terms of how music is sold and marketed. Albums are still relevant, but single releases and selling records on the airplay of one or two songs are much more important than before.

As a result there are far more albums with 2 good singles and loads of filler than there were 10 or 15 years ago, and while there are some genuinely great albums out there from great bands of the last 10 years, it's much harder to come across a nevermind, or a rage against the machine, or an OK computer, or whatever, nowadays.

KeanSeenan

Deleted User wrote: »

Just compare any decent top 100 list from both decades. I did, and i counted at least twice as many "landmark" albums before the milennium than after.

I don't think many of the albums from the noughties have had the time to achieve a 'landmark' status, albums don't really come out and are described as landmark in any proper sense, it's after time we see their effects and influences.In my opinion anyway.
I also think Singles have little or no importance nowadays, they aren't really marketed or bought, it's mainly about live shows and albums now, especially in alternative music.

KeanSeenan

KeanSeenan wrote: »

I don't think many of the albums from the noughties have had the time to achieve a 'landmark' status, albums don't really come out and are described as landmark in any proper sense, it's after time we see their effects and influences.

I do agree with you on that to an extent, especially in terms of influences on other musicians. That takes months and years and can only be seen fully in retrospect, but i don't think it takes a decade to identify an album that is really, genuinely, something special. Ideally speaking, we would get a far better sense of how the noughties was in terms of music if we could look back at it in ten years time, but i didn't need that long to digest my favourite albums from the last 50 years, i loved them all within weeks or months of hearing them, and time hasn't changed that. 99% of them are still firmly at the top of my all time faves list after many years.

On your point though, as we've both used the phrase, the term "landmark" makes me think about records like Blonde on Blonde, Are you experienced, Zeppelin IV, Dark Side of the moon, Solid Air, Brothers in Arms, Rumours, Nevermind, OK computer, and many more. The one thing that sticks out about all of those albums is not just that they were well recieved by the public or by critics, or that they sold by the geansaí load, but it's that they changed music to some degree or other. This, as you mentioned, is something that takes a longer term, retrospective view to identify. Other musicians were inspired hugely by all of these records and, to a greater or lesser degree, the musical landscpe shifted somewhat within a year or two as a result of something new and fresh that they introduced.

It may be that music is so accessible to me nowadays that i've started skimming, or "tuning out", but i honestly don't think so. I've always considered myself to be someone who is on the lookout for great music, new or old, and while there have been a few notable exceptions and some standout music in the last 10 years, i'm not sure if i've heard anything that really really shines.

Please let me know if there's anything i've missed, i'll be happy to be corrected.

KeanSeenan

Deleted User wrote: »

It may be that music is so accessible to me nowadays that i've started skimming, or "tuning out", but i honestly don't think so. I've always considered myself to be someone who is on the lookout for great music, new or old, and while there have been a few notable exceptions and some standout music in the last 10 years, i'm not sure if i've heard anything that really really shines.

I do think that music has become, not devalued, but less personal in a way because of downloading. Speaking from experience, I haven't given enough time to many records I now love on the first listen because of downloads, the sense of ownership involved with cds and vinyls(which I still try to buy to support artist I love) just isn't there with a rar. file gathering dust on your desktop, I think people invest less in downloads because there's no risk.
That being said it has opened many doors for people that wouldn't be able to distribute music otherwise, so I guess it's a double edged sword.
Just curious, but what would your standouts from the noughties?

KeanSeenan

KeanSeenan wrote: »

I do think that music has become, not devalued, but less personal in a way because of downloading. Speaking from experience, I haven't given enough time to many records I now love on the first listen because of downloads, the sense of ownership involved with cds and vinyls(which I still try to buy to support artist I love) just isn't there

Very well said. It's almost as if the sheer amount of music available makes it more difficult to find the genuine classics, and you just don't give each album the time it probably deserves. You have to actually make more of an effort now to find the gems, just because there's so much dross to wade through. Thats kind of alluding to the point i made earlier, everything is judged more now on whether it has a killer lead single or makes an instant impression on that first skim listen through, because music is just so "accessible" these days that it might never get a second chance to impress.

On your question about standouts from the noughties, there have been some excellent albums by bands like Kings of Leon, LCD soundsystem, Daft punk, The Raconteurs, Queens of the stone age, Ray Lamontagne, Arctic monkeys, The Black Keys, The Killers, Audioslave, and a few more in the last 10 years. Some of them are absolute gems. They'll probably never achieve that "landmark" status, but they will always be in my list of faves.

KeanSeenan

I'd say hype from blogs and online publications has had a similar effect to a 'killer lead single'.
Well from the list I'd say Daft Punk and Lcd have made pretty big dents in music, whether it's about landmark albums or not, the influence of DFA and Ed Banger records aswell as the music of both bands has been significant. But I would say Kol have made a big impact too, but for me it's a negative one. For me some 'landmark' albums of the noughties have been 'Who wiill cut our hair when we're gone', 'Hissing Fauna, Are you the destroyer?', 'Sound of silver','funeral','is this it', 'Veckatimest', 'Apologies to Queen Mary','The Milk Eyed Mender','Sung Tongs','Since I left you', ' Person Pitch', each of So Cow's albums aswell as loads of dirty lo-fi stuff.

KeanSeenan

Oh and Alopecia.