Buying an 08 diesel estate

dcmraad

Hi all. I need to replace my current car with a Diesel estate.

I have narrowed it down to

Alfa 159 sportwagon 1.9jtd
Citroen c5 setate (new shape) 1.6hdi
Freelander 2 2.2td
Jag x type 2.0d
Mazda6 estate 2.0d
Renault laguna 3 1.5dci
Volvo v50 1.6d (THanks Zube)

All must have FSH (dealer) and some are under manu warranty

I intend keeping it 5 years so I have a lot of questions for sellers, especially about service and accident history. I have a word template with about 20 questions on it, like the sticky.

Any advice would be welcome please

Thanks

Zubeneschamali

dcmraad wrote: »

Jag x type 2.0d

I'f you like the jag, why not the Mondeo or Volvo estates, which are made from similar oily bits?

Ardennes1944

dont go for the mazda diesel its supposed to have fierce troubles with it's dmf or something like that. maybe someone else can clarify

dcmraad

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I'f you like the jag, why not the Mondeo or Volvo estates, which are made from similar oily bits?

Thanks mate, edited volvo in, I don't like the mondeo or focus. love the jag interior

Casati

If you need a lot of luggage space forget the V50 and 159, they are both nice cars but have smaller boots than most mid size saloons/ liftbacks. Both are quite small inside compared to the others listed

If you want serious fuel economy, that will also rule out the 159 and the Freelander- the latter wont do 40 mpg. Also v tight in the back- to be honest this car is totally different to the others listed

The Mazda 2.0d has had a lot of problems - search here for other threads, but if you can get one the 2.2d is much better, or better again a petrol

C5 is a good car and nicely packaged but you will not have many to chose from unless you go to England, but you could get a bargain if you find one in a non Cit/ Peg dealer.

Laguna 1.5 is a great engine, and once you get Dynamic or higher spec you get a lot of toys- but it would need to be cheap as will be v hard to move on, i.e. less than 10 grand

Jag is v old hat now, but again has a look that appeals to many. Its based on the previous Mondeo so in reality a 2008 Mondeo is a far superior car - though generally more basic in kit

Stevie Dakota

Alfa 159 sportwagon 1.9jtd - Small boot and unbearable front seats (for 2 family members anyway)
Citroen c5 setate (new shape) 1.6hdi - Yes, yes, yes. Smashing car.
Freelander 2 2.2td - Unreliable heap
Jag x type 2.0d - Marmite car, if you like marmite then it is a fine if compact car.
Mazda6 estate 2.0d - Engine problems, not worth the risk
Renault laguna 3 1.5dci - Much improved and now reliable, not much to dislike really. Rear seat space not great with poor footspace.
Volvo v50 1.6d (THanks Zube) - Not very spacious but feels a bit premium in Lux spec.

Zubeneschamali

Don't forget the V70 if the V50 is too small.

dcmraad

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Alfa 159 sportwagon 1.9jtd - Small boot and unbearable front seats (for 2 family members anyway)
Citroen c5 setate (new shape) 1.6hdi - Yes, yes, yes. Smashing car.
Freelander 2 2.2td - Unreliable heap
Jag x type 2.0d - Marmite car, if you like marmite then it is a fine if compact car.
Mazda6 estate 2.0d - Engine problems, not worth the risk
Renault laguna 3 1.5dci - Much improved and now reliable, not much to dislike really. Rear seat space not great with poor footspace.
Volvo v50 1.6d (THanks Zube) - Not very spacious but feels a bit premium in Lux spec.

Thanks all.

I like the mazda6 but have read as much on other forums about it so I will remove the mazda then, high tax vrt

the alfa is very rare so thats gone too, vrt is too high too, tax 600 odd

the jag is an old mondeo, €306 a year tax reliable enough, but expensive, got a quote for nearly 400 quid for next minor service (1.4 or 1.6 hours labour) on it, jag dealers in ireland charge 115 quid an hour ex vat :eek::eek::eek:

freelander 2 has a better rep than the older one, but the 2.2 kills it here with vrt, 850 a year tax

so realistically that leaves


Citroen c5 setate (new shape) 1.6hdi - 300 odd tax, cheap vrt


Renault laguna 3 1.5dci - 156 tax cheap vrt cheap service, reliable


Volvo v50 1.6d (THanks Zube) - lovely car but have heard some horrible issues

Stevie Dakota

dcmraad wrote: »

Thanks all.

I like the mazda6 but have read as much on other forums about it so I will remove the mazda then, high tax vrt

the alfa is very rare so thats gone too, vrt is too high too, tax 600 odd

the jag is an old mondeo, €306 a year tax reliable enough, but expensive, got a quote for nearly 400 quid for next minor service (1.4 or 1.6 hours labour) on it, jag dealers in ireland charge 115 quid an hour ex vat :eek::eek::eek:

freelander 2 has a better rep than the older one, but the 2.2 kills it here with vrt, 850 a year tax

so realistically that leaves


Citroen c5 setate (new shape) 1.6hdi - 300 odd tax, cheap vrt


Renault laguna 3 1.5dci - 156 tax cheap vrt cheap service, reliable


Volvo v50 1.6d (THanks Zube) - lovely car but have heard some horrible issues

Of those three the C5 wins hands down in my book. VTR or if you can stretch to it VTR+Nav.

dcmraad

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Of those three the C5 wins hands down in my book. VTR or if you can stretch to it VTR+Nav.

Yeah it looks like a clear winner, vrt is about 3k on this. Of course vRT website is saying this car is 20% vrt but it actually is 130co2, the 2.o d is 139, so both in band B

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-Citroen-C5-Diesel-/230560351693?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35ae77c5cd

-Corkie-

What about the 5 series touring. Great looking machine and the 2.0d is in the lower tax bracket.

Stevie Dakota

Now if you could find a 2.0hdi Exclusive THAT is fine car. All the toys and a proper Citroen suspension. I think you can get low mileage 2009 models in the UK for under £13K.

dcmraad

-Corkie- wrote: »

What about the 5 series touring. Great looking machine and the 2.0d is in the lower tax bracket.

It is a lovely car but way overvalued, i can get a 6 month old low mileage c5 1.6hdi vtr+ estate for 17,000 euro all in.

The touring would be at least 25k at the very best, and that would be bog standard cheapie.

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Now if you could find a 2.0hdi Exclusive THAT is fine car. All the toys and a proper Citroen suspension. I think you can get low mileage 2009 models in the UK for under £13K.

Yeah agreed. manual 130 co2, auto is 170 co2, ruins it slightly

dcmraad

Citroen C5 interior

Stevie Dakota

That beige interior is lovely, but near impossible to find on UK cars.

Owen

C5 is gorgeous, a friend in Cork got one off Citroen Ireland through a Dealer as an Ex-Demo, biggest boot in its class IMHO, and comfy as feck, loaded with toys. And I hate French Cars!

dcmraad

PaintDoctor wrote: »

C5 is gorgeous, a friend in Cork got one off Citroen Ireland through a Dealer as an Ex-Demo, biggest boot in its class IMHO, and comfy as feck, loaded with toys. And I hate French Cars!

Thats high praise.

Anyone know if it is worth getting the 2litr over the 1.6. I am nearly 40 and only drive to get from A to B. Both are band B. There is a 3 litre version in the UK too.

This 2010 one would land for 21, but I only want to spend about 14 for an 08

http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Citroen/C5/1.6HDi-1/201033199210734/advert?channel=CARS

Andrew42

I'm going to go ahead and say it cos someone's going to.
You'd be mad not to consider an Octavia Combi or its big brother the Superb Combi (only released this year though).

Padraig Mor

Note that 08 C5 models had higher CO2 emissions than current models (introduced 2009 IIRC) so watch that VRT and tax! VTR+ Nav spec only arrived then too. 2 litre is of course a better car than the 1.6 but will be hurt on resale.

Stevie Dakota

dcmraad wrote: »

Anyone know if it is worth getting the 2litr over the 1.6.
http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Citroen/C5/1.6HDi-1/201033199210734/advert?channel=CARS

Hard to call. I've driven both in the saloon and the 2.0 while no rocket was obviously less work than the 1.6. I'd imagine with the heavier weight of the estate that the 1.6 would be underpowered. The 2.0 has a six speed box which suits the cruiser nature of the car.

kindalen

is the c5 digital speedo display easy to change from miles to km's?

J77

dcmraad wrote: »

Citroen C5 interior

Ridiculous amount of steering wheel controls - no need! Looks nice aside from that. Don't have much experience with citroens.

I'll throw my 2 cents in on the volvo as I have an S40 (same car really) 1.6d is underpowered so make sure you look at the 2.0d which is much better. Have had various issues with mine so I can't speak too highly of it reliability wise, although it's usually just annoying things like noises and electronic issues that seem to fix themselves rather than anything which would incapacitate the car.

Wouldn't place much trust in the renault.

The jag wouldn't be a bad call.

Guy:Incognito

Theres no such thing as too many buttons.

dcmraad

J77 wrote: »

I'll throw my 2 cents in on the volvo as I have an S40 (same car really) 1.6d is underpowered so make sure you look at the 2.0d which is much better. Have had various issues with mine so I can't speak too highly of it reliability wise, although it's usually just annoying things like noises and electronic issues that seem to fix themselves rather than anything which would incapacitate the car.

I Heard a lot about v50 issues.

J77 wrote: »

Wouldn't place much trust in the renault.

Apparently a great car but you will never sell it after the discounting renault has done.

J77 wrote: »

The jag wouldn't be a bad call.

Agreed, but rip off Jag dealers €115 euro an hour ex vat labour charge f*cks that up

Stekelly wrote: »

Theres no such thing as too many buttons.

Agreed

kindalen wrote: »

is the c5 digital speedo display easy to change from miles to km's?

Simple

Wildly Boaring

What about a Subaru Legacy, 2.0 diesel? It's a 150brake and most people seem to be getting between 45 and 50 mpg

Zubeneschamali

scanlone wrote: »

What about a Subaru Legacy, 2.0 diesel? It's a 150brake and most people seem to be getting between 45 and 50 mpg

OP doesn't like the Mondeo, I hardly think he'll enjoy the Japanese plastic horror of a Subaru cabin.

Wildly Boaring

Yeah but he likes a Citroen, a Landrover and a Volvo which is the Mondeo

dcmraad

scanlone wrote: »

What about a Subaru Legacy, 2.0 diesel? It's a 150brake and most people seem to be getting between 45 and 50 mpg

Thanks for that, I hadn't even considered it, AWD as well.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

OP doesn't like the Mondeo, I hardly think he'll enjoy the Japanese plastic horror of a Subaru cabin.

It does look ..... black and plasticy

scanlone wrote: »

Yeah but he likes a Citroen, a Landrover and a Volvo which is the Mondeo

Volvo is gone from the list, freeland gone too, unless anyone here has cheap tax on one.

Wildly Boaring

Only cheap tax on a Freelander is commercial.

Pleasantly surprised by interior of an 04 Legacy, was coming from a fairly plasticy Passat though

VolvoMan

dcmraad wrote: »

I Heard a lot about v50 issues.

The main thing to worry about with V50's fitted with the 1.6D and 2.0D units is the DPF, although I don't think early models had these. This is something that you will find in many modern diesel engines these days going wrong, particularly cars fitted with similar engines (Peugeots, Citroens, Fords etc).

Otherwise I don't think the V50 would be a bad choice to be honest. They are relatively undervalued on the Irish market and you can get quite a lot of style and equipment for your money.

scanlone wrote: »

Yeah but he likes a Citroen, a Landrover and a Volvo which is the Mondeo

The V50 isn't actually based on the Mondeo.

EPM

J77 wrote: »

Ridiculous amount of steering wheel controls - no need! Looks nice aside from that. Don't have much experience with citroens.

I'll throw my 2 cents in on the volvo as I have an S40 (same car really)

Not the same car as a C5 at all. The C5 is based on a 407's platform while the S40 is based on the Ford Focus platform. They share diesel engines but thats it.

Kristopherus

Would you consider getting one in the UK? A family member got a Skoda Octavia 2.0ltr Estate. Was a 2006 model. Specs were way higher than anything available here.Beautiful leather interior. A dream to sit in & a dream to drive. He got it about 9 months ago. On the road here for just under €11,000. If you get a 2008 model make sure it is after 1st July if at all possible as you will fare out better under the emissions regime that the cc regime, assuming Lenny dosen't murder the rates in an hours time:(

EPM

Can be from anytime in 2008 for low tax. Owner had the option of which system at renewal if pre July

Stevie Dakota

UK 2009 C5 VTR+sat nav, 1.6HDi - £12,000
UK Octavia 2009 Estate Elegance, 1.9TDI - £13,000

For me C5 all the way, a class above for less.

Andrew42

VolvoMan wrote: »

The V50 isn't actually based on the Mondeo.

Yeah, you're right. It's based on the smaller Focus.

Wildly Boaring

Ah that's what I was gonna point out

Andrew42

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

UK 2009 C5 VTR+sat nav, 1.6HDi - £12,000
UK Octavia 2009 Estate Elegance, 1.9TDI - £13,000

For me C5 all the way, a class above for less.

Maybe half a class above but the fact that its cheaper would seem to say otherwise, maybe you mean half a size above?

Lex Luthor

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

OP doesn't like the Mondeo, I hardly think he'll enjoy the Japanese plastic horror of a Subaru cabin.

there is no comparison between the interior of the Mondeo & the Legacy. The Legacy interior is not as bad as other Subarus. I've been spoilt with Alfa interiors for 10yrs and been driving the legacy for over a yr now and cannot say the interior is bland & plasticy. Everything is where you want it and at night the whole centre console lights up very well.

As an estate I chose it over the 159, it was between the 2. There is a high boot lip on the 159 which ruled it out for me.

C5 was my next choice but when I bought it was an unknown quantity with regard to reliability so didnt go down that route, but have to say you wont be disappointed with the legacy. Problem is finding a 08 Diesel. It only came out in late 08 so very few. Very few 09 ones out there. There is one on donedeal right now for about 20k, black 09

The AWD has now been worth it aswell in this weather

Lex Luthor

Kristopherus wrote: »

If you get a 2008 model make sure it is after 1st July if at all possible as you will fare out better under the emissions regime that the cc regime, assuming Lenny dosen't murder the rates in an hours time:(

I thought cars registered between Jan 1 2008 - June 31 2008 could choose what way to tax (either cc or emissions) ?

Does it not apply to imports then?

Padraig Mor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

there is no comparison between the interior of the Mondeo & the Legacy. The Legacy interior is not as bad as other Subarus. I've been spoilt with Alfa interiors for 10yrs and been driving the legacy for over a yr now and cannot say the interior is bland & plasticy. Everything is where you want it and at night the whole centre console lights up very well.

As an estate I chose it over the 159, it was between the 2. There is a high boot lip on the 159 which ruled it out for me.

C5 was my next choice but when I bought it was an unknown quantity with regard to reliability so didnt go down that route, but have to say you wont be disappointed with the legacy. Problem is finding a 08 Diesel. It only came out in late 08 so very few. Very few 09 ones out there. There is one on donedeal right now for about 20k, black 09

The AWD has now been worth it aswell in this weather

The Legacy interior (08 on anyway) is a hard plastic nightmare, generally complete with a whopping great 'I couldn't afford the sat nav' door in the middle of the console. I narrowed down to the Legacy and the C5 when buying new in 2008 and went with the C5. Yes, the Legacy is undeniably superior in many ways, but I just couldn't sit in that cheap ass cockpit every day!

Henry Ford III

dcmraad wrote: »

the jag is an old mondeo, €306 a year tax reliable enough, but expensive, got a quote for nearly 400 quid for next minor service (1.4 or 1.6 hours labour) on it, jag dealers in ireland charge 115 quid an hour ex vat :eek::eek::eek:

You'd be some mug if you actually paid those outrageous rates. An X type Jag can be properly serviced inexpensively.

I still like them btw.

Stevie Dakota

Andrew42 wrote: »

Maybe half a class above but the fact that its cheaper would seem to say otherwise, maybe you mean half a size above?

No, I mean a class above. C5 is Passat class whereas the Octavia sits on a Golf wheelbase.

Lex Luthor

Padraig Mor wrote: »

The Legacy interior (08 on anyway) is a hard plastic nightmare, generally complete with a whopping great 'I couldn't afford the sat nav' door in the middle of the console. I narrowed down to the Legacy and the C5 when buying new in 2008 and went with the C5. Yes, the Legacy is undeniably superior in many ways, but I just couldn't sit in that cheap ass cockpit every day!

there is no denying that the interior of the C5 is nicer than the Legacy but I'd have the Legacy inside & out any day over the Mondeo. Something about that silvery centre console on the Mondeo that shouts cheap.

Dont know how you can say the Legacy cockpit is cheap...its well screwed together and solid. I could have wented for the REn spec with the Sat Nav but have a Sat Nav and the little compartment is actually quite handy

dcmraad

Lex Luthor wrote: »

As an estate I chose it over the 159, it was between the 2. There is a high boot lip on the 159 which ruled it out for me.

Yeah i have dogs so i want something they can jump in and out of easily.

Zubeneschamali

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Dont know how you can say the Legacy cockpit is cheap...its well screwed together and solid.

There's two kinds of cheap interior: there's the Italian kind which is lovely but bits come off in your hand, and there's the Japanese kind, where everything is well screwed together and solid, but made out of such nasty materials that you wish you didn't have to look at it, never mind touch it for hours every day.

dcmraad

Here is the interior I have had for 6 years

Gb8

I have,a 2011 Volvo v50
Am I covered under warranty if the service now is carried out by non Volvo dealer and book stamped . 32000 on clock was done at 20000 mm.

Also can you get volvo seat covers to protect the leather without paying a fortune for same .