wild springer

RICKYD

go easy lads,newbie here.hava springer who loses the run of herself when she comes across hares:mad:ignores whistle&voice commands&i dont see her till she gets tired of chasing.hav worked on the stop whistle countless times&she responds well its just when she comes across hares.wonder is it time to admit defeat&go for an ECollar or what ye think?what model would ye recommend?cheers

dicky82

not claiming to be an expert but have you tried putting here on the lead when you get her back and take her home. a tug on the ear and a harsh tone. she'll soon cop on she's done wrong and maybe be a bit more obedient.
as i say no expert, other lads will help more.

mattock

Ecollar all the way, put her up to the limit the first time and you can reduce the shock after that, they are great for tightening up the loose ends of training.

RICKYD

ya ive even managed to bring her back to the spot where i blew the stop whistle&given her a gud shake&blew the stop whistle in her ear but she wil stil go bananas nxt time we come across a hare.its a pity cos theres a loada hares round here&shes a savage hunter

blackstairsboy

By the sounds of it you've tried everything else so maybe it is time to use the collar. Not a fan of them myself and only ever used one once in my life. If used correctly you should solve your problem but I think the age and temperament of the dog must be taken into account before using it. A softer dog may be fairly shook from it and it has the capability to do irreversible damage. Thread carefully and do get advice from someone who has a lot of experience using one before using it.

tfox

Was not a huge fan of e-collars myself but had a similar problem with my black lab. borrowed a collar from a friend and one dart was all it took, problem solved

deeksofdoom

I can call my springer off hares, but she's 3 now and she knows better not to chase them. The best bit of advice I was given for a dog that won't recall, is to run after it and meet it where it leasts expects it. That will mean getting in front of it or heading it off, it'll probably mean getting torn to shreds going in through the ditch the dog has just gone through, great fun really ...not!

So blow the recall once, if it doesn't come back go after it and make sure your next meeting is as unpleasant as possible.

snipe02

if you really feel nothing else can be done try the collar .have you ever tried the a check cord if there are plenty of hares you can let her make a mistake then check her on the cord bring her back to the spot where she ignored the drop whistle and give her a glimpse of hell and i mean hell then try her off the cord but try and be on her straight away just as she is about to do the deed you might want to leave the gun at home.... this is a last resort and should be only tried once she sounds like a clever one this could also put her off hunting for good so maybe if she is a good hunter in every other way chasing the odd hare could be something you could live with if you think she is a hard dog and can take the punishment it could work

BigBoi83

Have you tried not taken her off the lead when you go out? show her that shes not allowed to leave your side till YOUR ready

Leave the gun at home and focus on her doing as you want

Bring her to the hares and show her how you want her to behave when shes out

No expert or nufn, just something i got shown by some people who good with dogs

EPointer=Birdss

An lad collar him up.
Think about it every day u are out & you don't fix this issue you are allowing this misbeahviour. He is learning you cannot touch em at a distance. The long lead would be a pain in the a&$ as if he's any good he'll have it wrapped up in the 1st briar bush he comes across cause he should be inside in it!
My springer is the quietest dog I've ever seen. An absolute lamb. However deaf ear on the hares also. 1 day on the colar & hey presto he hears the whistle again.
I've said it once & I'll say it a hundred more times. Think of how a dogs mind works. He's mid chase & everything in his body is tellin em to catch this furry thing that's adding fuel to the fire by running away. Dogs have a natural chase instinct. Hence that's why you never run from a vicious 1 or your sure to get a nip! What your job as the handler is to snap him out of this zone hes in. Whistle beep shock. Thats the order. After a few goes you can drop the shock, then the beep & that's leaves you with the whistle. Simple formula that works without fail!
Watch my video of pointer on melanistic. My pointer caught a hare once & ever since is obsessed with them but I've cured him with the collar. A bit of a harsh tone to the voice & he stopped in his tracks when the hare ran out in front of him.
Your not gonna go out hooking him up to anchor battery like a Chinese torture. Your correcting misbehavior at source with a shock that's no worse then a wrap off cow wire. In fact way less. You'll be messing around now for weeks trying to stop this when the time could be spent getting him into ditches, retrieving etc
I've never seen a dog ruined due to a collar & I know of 5 locals lads that use them for years. Advances a dog much faster as allows him out of the back yard.

RICKYD

lads thanks a mill for the sound advice.ya ive seen ur melanistic video(class by the way) epointer,if that was me hunting with my springer there theres a fair chance i wouldnt hav met that cock at all cos she be gone to the nxt parish after the hare.she hasa hard temperament ok so i wouldnt be worried bout ruining her either.must hava look at these collars on the internet,thanks again

cavan shooter

Its a very touchy subject the whole e collar bit so I am going to steer away from it and tell you how I have sorted it with my lad.

From the beginging the scent of a hare is very strong and only a very well trained dog will resist the temptation, young dogs in particular cannot resist.

I had the best of dogs over the years that would turn on a six pence but soon as they got the smell of a hare if your lucky he/she would abandon the chase at the ditch leading into the next parish, then come back with the head down, tail between the legs.

If he comes back with the tail between the legs and head down--your on a winner ;)and he knows that he has done wrong, put the lead on and take him home. Frustrating as hell when your out for a days shooting but if you leave it off it will happen again

There is a great advantage of walking a dog in the fields on the off season, you get to tease out these irksome problems which we will all have from time to time, I back the whistles up with a voice command, which I only use to emphasise a point, in other words if he he is on a "mad" scent and you know from the dog he is... recall "pip pip" with a sharp here, the stop whistle with a sharp name call (his not expletives) gets him to stop sharp followed by a stern here, call him up (plenty of praise and a good neck scratch) slip the lead on walk him to heel a bit, let him off after a couple of minutes then , keep him close by putting him in the ditch "go ditch"

He will associate the scent of the hare with being pulled back made walk beside and "curtailed" if thats the right word/ or brought home. This works for me. I have never had a hard dog, but have mistaken dogs who are keen to please has being hard, and thats a mistake a lot of us make.

On the subject of the e collars, I use the invisible fence so i am not going to be a hypocrite and say there wrong, but I would be scared I could loose the trust of the dog and anyway why punish him for something that could have been my fault, I might have rushed his training or didnt do enough with him. They have there place, but only after I can hand on heart say I have done everything.:)