Emigrating now the only Option?

RobitTV

Is emigrating now the only option at this Point? The IMF Have come, Budget coming up, And we will be Paying back that Debt Until the day we die! No jobs whatsoever, Everyone i know is Unemployed, Everything is so Expensive, We cant afford anything, And even if you do Have a job, all your money will be going on your bills, and good old taxes.

So is emigrating now the only option? In my Opnion, Yes At this point Its just the only option! Anyone going to emigrate?

Iguana Bob

im in brazil rite now, its sweet

Empire o de Sun

I've left

Ardennes1944

Empire o de Sun wrote: »

I've left

im coming to a place near you! its not the only option, just the best one

F1ngers

RobitTV wrote: »

Is emigrating now the only option at this Point?

No.

RobitTV wrote: »

And even if you do Have a job, all your money will be going on your bills, and good old taxes.

I have a job and all my money won't be going on bills and taxes.

thebman

Don't worry, the housing market is recovering now as prices have bottomed out.

All these people leaving are missing out on an opportunity to get on the property ladder and will not be able to afford houses in future.

Just for lols :P

I think things are picking up though in the real economy. So many businesses were holding off on work that needed to be done that other companies were going bankrupt. These people are now looking to do that work and there are gaps in the market for startups and for the businesses left in that market to expand.

What has happened in the area I work for example seems to be that our competitors had unsustainable business models where they had to get new business to tick over and couldn't exist of the existing customer base. This is not a sustainable business model in bad times for obvious reasons.

I think many of these kinds of companies were the ones complaining that banks wouldn't lend to them but banks had good reason to not lend to such companies.

KylieWyley

RobitTV wrote: »

Is emigrating now the only option at this Point? The IMF Have come, Budget coming up, And we will be Paying back that Debt Until the day we die! No jobs whatsoever, Everyone i know is Unemployed, Everything is so Expensive, We cant afford anything, And even if you do Have a job, all your money will be going on your bills, and good old taxes.

So is emigrating now the only option? In my Opnion, Yes At this point Its just the only option! Anyone going to emigrate?

I got offered a job a couple of weeks back

Keep the faith, brotha!

Brussels Sprout

I think it completely depends on your own situation. Namely what skill set and experience you have, what are your expectations in terms of standard of living and how tied down are you.

If you can get a job here and you're happy with the fact that a lot of your taxes will be going towards paying off the national debt as opposed to going into things that will benefit your day to day life then by all means stay.

I have a friend from Uzbekistan and she cannot understand how there are so many people willing to stay here on the dole. As she says, we have all the advantages. We speak English and we can get access to so many other desirable job markets.

Emigration isn't the end of the world. In fact with the state of Ireland today I think most people who are sitting at home miserable and depressed will be amazed at how much better their life will be abroad.

MrMatisse

The underlying economy is ok

If we solved the problem of the people who lent billions to private Irish companies wnating the Irish perople to cover their losses than things would be much better.....

PCPhoto

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

I think it completely depends on your own situation. Namely what skill set and experience you have, what are your expectations in terms of standard of living and how tied down are you.

If you can get a job here and you're happy with the fact that a lot of your taxes will be going towards paying off the national debt as opposed to going into things that will benefit your day to day life then by all means stay.

I have a friend from Uzbekistan and she cannot understand how there are so many people willing to stay here on the dole. As she says, we have all the advantages. We speak English and we can get access to so many other desirable job markets.

Emigration isn't the end of the world. In fact with the state of Ireland today I think most people who are sitting at home miserable and depressed will be amazed at how much better their life will be abroad.

Reading this while sitting at home (rented).... miserable and depressed....cant afford to emmigrate (yet) ...maybe in a year or two...need to work my way out of debt first.....yes - I'm still working (I have to - I'm self employed)

johnnyskeleton

RobitTV wrote: »

Is emigrating now the only option at this Point? The IMF Have come, Budget coming up, And we will be Paying back that Debt Until the day we die! No jobs whatsoever, Everyone i know is Unemployed, Everything is so Expensive, We cant afford anything, And even if you do Have a job, all your money will be going on your bills, and good old taxes.

So is emigrating now the only option? In my Opnion, Yes At this point Its just the only option! Anyone going to emigrate?

No, it's not the only option. Have you considered starting up a business?

Nolanger

RobitTV wrote: »

So is emigrating now the only option?

There's always the black market or whatever it's called in these PC times!

fat__tony

It's the best and only option.

Why stay in a country which will probably deteriorate into a semi-3rd world country over the next decade because of the savage cutbacks?

population

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

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I have a friend from Uzbekistan and she cannot understand how there are so many people willing to stay here on the dole. As she says, we have all the advantages. We speak English and we can get access to so many other desirable job markets.

Your friend is 100 per cent right. There is still a market out there all over the world of people who want to learn English. Especially from mother tongue speakers. I worked in construction for close to 14 years and decided to do a degree part time to try broaden my horizons. Received my degree with honours and then decided to change my career, which was just as well given the tsunami that was about to hit the construction industry. Anyway i did CELTA and now I teach English in Italy. Money is not amazing and it is harder work that i had initially thought it would be, but it is enough to get by, I am living in another country learning the language and the culture and most importantly I am not utterly depressed sat on the dole. That being said, sometimes when I mention to friends who have lost their jobs to consider using their mother tongue abroad they just sort of drift out of the conversation and resurface 5 minutes later complaining that they have no job

later12

Well this is the night before I leave for Paris (6am flight). For me emigrating is not the only option since I actually have a job that I've just left.

People should always keep one eye on their future and the biggest reason for my emigrating is down to where I see myself in ten years time.

I am 24 now, I have a good degree from a good University and I have a lot of energy and ambition. If I sound cocky, it isn't intentional. However, I think that my energy is going to be better spent in a strong economy like the core European economies of France or Germany.

I don't like the idea of spending the next 10 years in an economy which is raising taxes, inflicting wage cuts and doing serious long term damage to economic infrastructure simply to repay the mistakes of that generation which have preceded mine and without any material benefit.

My Grandfather went bankrupt in the 60s and my father effectively went bankrupt in the 80s. Despite their personal and financial mistakes, the burden of those mistakes were never going to be mine to shoulder into adulthood or through my professional career.
Look at how that translates into the Irish economy. The mistakes of the older generations will be the significant burden of younger generations for even more generations - and that will be to the cost of public infrastructure, economic growth and stability, and in my opinion, the quality of living.

Like many people emigrating, I am excited about the new challenges that emigration holds. It isn't all bad, and I am very willing to leave, as are many others. And there is the problem.
The tragic thing about Irish emigration as it is not the cutting off of ties with Ireland as it might have been prior to skype and EasyJet when my parents emigrated. The tragic thing, and the telling thing, is how soon and so willingly people are leaving. It doesn't take a genius to understand the benefits, or to see why ireland has lost its appeal, well into the foreseeable future.

fat__tony

later10 wrote: »

Well this is the night before I leave for Paris (6am flight). For me emigrating is not the only option since I actually have a job that I've just left.

People should always keep one eye on their future and the biggest reason for my emigrating is down to where I see myself in ten years time.

I am 24 now, I have a good degree from a good University and I have a lot of energy and ambition. If I sound cocky, it isn't intentional. However, I think that my energy is going to be better spent in a strong economy like the core European economies of France or Germany.

I don't like the idea of spending the next 10 years in an economy which is raising taxes, inflicting wage cuts and doing serious long term damage to economic infrastructure simply to repay the mistakes of that generation which have preceded mine and without any material benefit.

My Grandfather went bankrupt in the 60s and my father effectively went bankrupt in the 80s. Despite their personal and financial mistakes, the burden of those mistakes were never going to be mine to shoulder into adulthood or through my professional career.
Look at how that translates into the Irish economy. The mistakes of the older generations will be the significant burden of younger generations for even more generations - and that will be to the cost of public infrastructure, economic growth and stability, and in my opinion, the quality of living.

Like many people emigrating, I am excited about the new challenges that emigration holds. It isn't all bad, and I am very willing to leave, as are many others. And there is the problem.
The tragic thing about Irish emigration as it is not the cutting off of ties with Ireland as it might have been prior to skype and EasyJet when my parents emigrated. The tragic thing, and the telling thing, is how soon and so willingly people are leaving. It doesn't take a genius to understand the benefits, or to see why ireland has lost its appeal, well into the foreseeable future.

The very best of luck to you, with a positive attitude like that you're bound to have a successful career. You will thoroughly enjoy your experience. I'm in Toronto and hopefully all going well career wise, I'll be here for the long haul.

For me the most tragic thing about todays climate are the amount of talented graduates who we now have to export because there are no oppportunities left at home.

It goes completely against the 'smart-economy' bull**** that the goverment have been peddling for a few years now.

later10

later10 wrote: »

Well this is the night before I leave for Paris (6am flight). For me emigrating is not the only option since I actually have a job that I've just left.

People should always keep one eye on their future and the biggest reason for my emigrating is down to where I see myself in ten years time.

I am 24 now, I have a good degree from a good University and I have a lot of energy and ambition. If I sound cocky, it isn't intentional. However, I think that my energy is going to be better spent in a strong economy like the core European economies of France or Germany.

I don't like the idea of spending the next 10 years in an economy which is raising taxes, inflicting wage cuts and doing serious long term damage to economic infrastructure simply to repay the mistakes of that generation which have preceded mine and without any material benefit.

My Grandfather went bankrupt in the 60s and my father effectively went bankrupt in the 80s. Despite their personal and financial mistakes, the burden of those mistakes were never going to be mine to shoulder into adulthood or through my professional career.
Look at how that translates into the Irish economy. The mistakes of the older generations will be the significant burden of younger generations for even more generations - and that will be to the cost of public infrastructure, economic growth and stability, and in my opinion, the quality of living.

Like many people emigrating, I am excited about the new challenges that emigration holds. It isn't all bad, and I am very willing to leave, as are many others. And there is the problem.
The tragic thing about Irish emigration as it is not the cutting off of ties with Ireland as it might have been prior to skype and EasyJet when my parents emigrated. The tragic thing, and the telling thing, is how soon and so willingly people are leaving. It doesn't take a genius to understand the benefits, or to see why ireland has lost its appeal, well into the foreseeable future.

If you attended an Irish university and got Irish grants, kindly leave the money you owe (€5k per year) at the airport. Thanks

later12

salonfire wrote: »

If you attended an Irish university and got Irish grants, kindly leave the money you owe (€5k per year) at the airport. Thanks

As I've already mentioned somewhere on this section on another occasion, I didn't. I have the English student loan to prove it. Thanks.

Nobody under 25 in this economy is 'owed' anything, in my opinion.
But neither do we 'owe' the country our futures either.

Sleepy

Were I free and single I'd be earning 6 figures in the UK, Australia or Canada. Unfortunately, my skillset commands less than half what it does in any of those countries in Ireland and my life is here so I'm stuck with whatever the imbeciles at the wheel decide to do with me.

Mick Regan

Hi all,

hope you don't mind me dropping this into the mix but we're trying to guage the level of support for giving voting rights to Irish emigrants.

To be up front I think there is a case for bringing it back onto the government agenda, and with a view to implementing some sort of fair scheme.

If interested, have a look at http://diaspora.ie/starship/2010/12/irish-emigrant-voting-rights/

Thanks,

Mick.

Sleepy

A separate thread in the main politics forum might be better suited Mick.

Personally, I'd be dead set against it. It holds some validity for the US where ex-pats still pay tax at home. Here, it'd be representation without taxation. I'd also have a huge problem with the fact that the further Irish people get from Ireland, the more Republican they seem to become so there'd be a huge surge in support for Sinn Fein which most regulars on this forum would agree to be a negative given their economic illiteracy.

Mick Regan

Hi Sleepy,

I'll post a new thread as suggested.

Thanks,

Mick.

Dannyboy83

Sleepy wrote: »

A separate thread in the main politics forum might be better suited Mick.

Personally, I'd be dead set against it. It holds some validity for the US where ex-pats still pay tax at home. Here, it'd be representation without taxation. I'd also have a huge problem with the fact that the further Irish people get from Ireland, the more Republican they seem to become so there'd be a huge surge in support for Sinn Fein which most regulars on this forum would agree to be a negative given their economic illiteracy.

Add to that a new voting group for Fianna Fail to buy.
At the expense of the taxpayer.

fat__tony

salonfire wrote: »

If you attended an Irish university and got Irish grants, kindly leave the money you owe (€5k per year) at the airport. Thanks

There's always one begrudger, it seems.

Fentdog84

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

No, it's not the only option. Have you considered starting up a business?

This isnt highlighted enough. I think with more people out of work etc, people need to be more enterpreunarial and creatives as regards ways of making a living. I know it is difficult in the current climate but if you think hard enough and focus on what you are good/interested in at you might suprise yourself with the business ideas you could come up with. Relying on other people to create jobs etc is taking the easy option. I'm not saying i have all the answers but there is always opportunities out there is you are willing to make the effort to sell yourself(no I dont mean in that way!).. If you think something is impossible then it probably wont come true!

HellFireClub

Sleepy wrote: »

A separate thread in the main politics forum might be better suited Mick.

Personally, I'd be dead set against it. It holds some validity for the US where ex-pats still pay tax at home. Here, it'd be representation without taxation. I'd also have a huge problem with the fact that the further Irish people get from Ireland, the more Republican they seem to become so there'd be a huge surge in support for Sinn Fein which most regulars on this forum would agree to be a negative given their economic illiteracy.

Yeah and the enlighted FF economic geniuses who have brought our country to absolute ruin, who are the cause of people now having to emigrate, they knew what they were at all right, didn't they?!? :rolleyes::mad::rolleyes::mad::rolleyes:

Sleepy

HellFireClub wrote: »

Yeah and the enlighted FF economic geniuses who have brought our country to absolute ruin, who are the cause of people now having to emigrate, they knew what they were at all right, didn't they?!? :rolleyes::mad::rolleyes::mad::rolleyes:

Saying that Group A are idiots is not the same as saying that Group B are geniuses.

dan_d

Best of luck later10.

I'm unemployed and hanging on for a few more months, before we look at leaving. Giving myself a chance to find a job first - but it's not looking good, and I'm not prepared to sit around forever.

It's not the only option, but for some of us it's the better option.

danbohan

salonfire wrote: »

If you attended an Irish university and got Irish grants, kindly leave the money you owe (€5k per year) at the airport. Thanks

dont be bitter , you will still get your 196 per week , promise !

keithclancy

Just be aware that if your travelling to another European country with the hope of getting more money to pay debts back home, your net monthly income will more than likely be much lower due to the much higher taxes and social security payments.

Saying that if your moving abroad with a pretty much debt free slate, you'll for the most part have a better quality of life (Public Transport/Healthcare/Amenities etc)

Byron85

salonfire wrote: »

If you attended an Irish university and got Irish grants, kindly leave the money you owe (€5k per year) at the airport. Thanks

Shall I send my receipts for university to you when I leave the country?

gurramok

later10 wrote: »

As I've already mentioned somewhere on this section on another occasion, I didn't. I have the English student loan to prove it. Thanks.

Nobody under 25 in this economy is 'owed' anything, in my opinion.
But neither do we 'owe' the country our futures either.

Look on the bright side, you won't be getting on the mystical property ladder to buy an overpriced Irish house. You've escaped and with more young people like yourself emigrating, any recovery in the housing market is now next generation stuff!

gollem_1975

emigrating is, always was and always will be AN option for people born in this country.

we have no natural resources, or should i say none that we can get at easily.

we have a small domestic market.

we have a peripheral location (though being part of europe combined with improvements in ICT has helped negate this)

on the positive side companies are setting up here/increasing their workforce. e.g. Facebook, google , accenture.

Ironically there are many people from outside of Ireland who are applying for and getting these jobs.

there are 1.8 million people working in Ireland at the moment..how many of them are not Irish.

Its food for thought when so many are thinking about emigrating when there are people immigrating to ireland even now!

finally now that we are part of Europe there is nothing to stop anyone from going and working in another european state similar to the Pavels and Kristinas that came to us over the last few years.