Fogra FiannaFail

phantom_lord

Just noticed this.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001859756759&v=info

In March of 1926 Eamon de Valera resigned as leader of Sinn Féin and took rapid steps to establish a new national movement. His vision was to set about building a national movement by reorganising a large portion of the population which had become disenfranchised and disillusioned with politicians who failed to represent their views and build an Ireland that would reflect the desires of a newly independent country.

Almost 84 years later this organisation has been established to examine the founding principles of our party to ensure the future survival of Fianna Fáil and to promote the democratic principle of this nations representative democracy; "government of the people, by the people, for the people."


"This party has come from the grass roots. It has grown from the soil of people's hard necessities." - Senator Albert Jeremiah Beveridge 1912

This is a call out to all Fianna Fail's grass roots members... Let's not allow the party to slip any further. It's time to stand up and be counted. Reclaim our Party Now!

Set up today has 160 mostly FF members seemingly and they're refusing to say who's behind it. Be interesting to see if it turns into anything.

Inverse to the power of one!

phantom_lord wrote: »

Just noticed this.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001859756759&v=info

Set up today has 160 mostly FF members seemingly and they're refusing to say who's behind it. Be interesting to see if it turns into anything.

At this stage I would feel safer receiving advise from Marxists on modern economic theory then I would ex-FF'rs telling me my future........


It's a broken model well in need of the trashheap, and these are the last barnacles on the hull.....

Just an edit to add a mention that Cumman DeBarra are linked in to this, Last I saw that crowd, they represented the height of FF orthodoxy, Let's not be fooled by the games at play here, the same old rooted individuals and dynasties scrambling to salvage what they can from the ashes.

I know that the reason we are seeing FG poll so well is that they are being chosen as the fall back for the old FF supporters....the threads may try to call them out here, but that is irrelevant to the reality unfolding before our eyes.......be under no illusion, these people are not changing their ways, they are not immigrating, and they have no interest outside of maintaining their place in the post civil war food chain that we call politics in Ireland, it would be foolish to see them as capable of change and of being anything other then the deeply ingrained hard rooted remnants of the past. Don't think the PR lessons they have learned from the last ten years have gone away, they are much like the republican party in the US(Were even coached by the same American PR firm),
AND THEY WILL CAPITALIZE ON ANY DOUBT THEY CAN CREATE TO REGAIN THEIR OLD PLACE!

Eyes open people....stay frosty.

PomBear

I won't hold my breath on them doing anything if they're supporting the budget as showed in the image

phantom_lord

PomBear wrote: »

I won't hold my breath on them doing anything if they're supporting the budget as showed in the image

Makes them seem sensible to me. I know you're not going to agree, but trying to derail the budget at this point would be pretty irresponsible.

nesf

phantom_lord wrote: »

Makes them seem sensible to me. I know you're not going to agree, but trying to derail the budget at this point would be pretty irresponsible.

Indeed. It would be the worst kind of cheap populism for them to do so.

feicim

It sounds like a bunch of cranks messing about to be honest

"fogra" means advertisement.

(other less used meanings are warning, summons, placard or proclamation, but there are better words to use for these than fógra)

I presume they mean "ógra" (youth) or "forógra" (proclamation). I would find it kinda hard to take a so called organisation seriously when they can't even give themselves a name which has any meaning...

"advertisement fianna fail" - Just someone trying to stir it up I'd say.

ninty9er

Forum Of the Grass Roots Association. If you're going to take a pot shot you should at least look into whether what you're saying is correct. Ógra Fianna Fáil is already a part of the organisation.

It says a bit about the grammar of whoever is behind it, or lack thereof. I'm giving whoever it is the benefit of the doubt until Wednesday, but I'm more inclined to support the La Scala Forum, at least I know who's behind that. If it turns out at that point that there are no parliamentary party members involved then I don't see why all the secrecy and all credibility will fall by the wayside.

Het-Field

ninty9er wrote: »

Forum Of the Grass Roots Association. If you're going to take a pot shot you should at least look into whether what you're saying is correct. Ógra Fianna Fáil is already a part of the organisation.

It says a bit about the grammar of whoever is behind it, or lack thereof. I'm giving whoever it is the benefit of the doubt until Wednesday, but I'm more inclined to support the La Scala Forum, at least I know who's behind that. If it turns out at that point that there are no parliamentary party members involved then I don't see why all the secrecy and all credibility will fall by the wayside.

If it is a Grass Roots thing, then surely the organisers wouldnt want much of the current parlimentary party anywhere near the thing ?

Tea drinker

FF must be completely cleansed from the land. All support mechanisms must be removed and resistance quashed!!
All political dynasties, quango's hangers on and enablers have to be removed. RTE should be abolished or cut to the bare minimum and the licence removed. No longer should we pay for propaganda and endless BUY NOW OR DIE propoert programs rammed down our freakin necks.
Any half measure will see a quick restoration of our unique Irish "Royal Family" in place for another 50 disastrous years.
Get rid of them now, it's your only chance.

Any chance of Ireland being a strong independent country is gone. Young people leaving means we break social bonds and cause an already beat down populace more angst. Lack of social cohesion and responsibility is the son of these policieas and enables corruption in years to come.
We haven't even recovered to Pre-famine population 150 years later. FF and their ilk ensure we must bleed our young into the world. De Valera's frankly DISASTROUS dancing at the crossroads meant while rest of Europe flourished in post WW2 we made little or no progress.

The time for self fulfilling obsession with victimhood is over and done with. We have only ourselves to blame or thank.

Stroke Politics

Seems like someone was paying attention when the Co Councillors went on that Facebook course.

Trying to reclaim the spirit of De Valera, they say.

Dev set up The Irish Press with American $ in return for worthless shares, he & his family pocketed the real shares for themselves, a tradition that continued up to this very day when FF finally bankrupted Ireland....

Monty Burnz

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Seems like someone was paying attention when the Co Councillors went on that Facebook course.

Trying to reclaim the spirit of De Valera, they say.

Dev set up The Irish Press with American $ in return for worthless shares, he & his family pocketed the real shares for themselves, a tradition that continued up to this very day when FF finally bankrupted Ireland....

So Fianna Failures have suddenly decided that rampant cronyism, nepotism, corruption and incompetence is a bad thing? Strange, seeing as has won them power for most of the last 30 years.

They didn't mind it when that almighty crook and conman CJ Haughey was in charge, and they didn't mind it when Bertie 'Dig Out' 'The Money Was Simply Resting in My Safe' 'I Didn't Have a Bank Accout' 'I Won it on the Horses' Ahern was in charge. But when their corruption and incompetence finally bankrupts the country, they are going to 'reclaim the party' :D:D

You couldn't make it up. And as has been pointed out, De Valera wasn't exactly the straightest arrow himself, and he's the guy who was in charge when the state became a safe haven for priests to rape children and we all took our orders from the Catholic hierarchy.

PomBear

phantom_lord wrote: »

Makes them seem sensible to me. I know you're not going to agree, but trying to derail the budget at this point would be pretty irresponsible.

to be honest, you're either with or against them at this point.

If they don't believe in the way the Governments being lead, why accept their budget?

Monty Burnz

PomBear wrote: »

to be honest, you're either with or against them at this point.

If they don't believe in the way the Governments being lead, why accept their budget?

I'm going to say "because the voters are mostly morons and will punish whoever brings in the budget that Fianna Failure forced on us by bankrupting the country".

HTH.

PomBear

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm going to say "because the voters are mostly morons and will punish whoever brings in the budget that Fianna Failure forced on us by bankrupting the country".

HTH.

Well they deserve to be punished and the Irish people are not morons for that, not by any means.

If Fogra want to have a bit of legitimacy, they should oppose this budget, then maybe they might salvage their party from the consequences of passing this budget.

I reckon they're a bunch of grassroot folk who are facepalming at the bosses, and are kinda p*ssed off at how something they joined turned so sour.

Personally, I've a bit of advice.

On ye olde naval ships of sail, there was a concept in the rules that for a set action was a set punishment. If Carpenter's Mate Davies made a f*ck up, it was a case of 30 lashes for the crime. Set crime, set punishment.

How Davies reacted to the punishment would determine how his crewmates sympathised.

If he had to had to be dragged, screaming and crying, yelling "I can fix it! I can fix iiit! Please don't hurt me!" like a baby, then the crew would think of him a s a snivelling git, and at worst he'd end up overboard as a waste of space and a risk to the crew.

If he manned up, kept straight, and took his lashings without a sound, the crew would respect him, help him dress his wounds, and take his side in the case. The transgression would be forgotten, and Davies would be avalued member of the crew.

Guess which of the above Fianna Fail have looked like in the past 3 years?

Fianna Fail, the time for you to man up and take your lashes was when this crisis took hold back in 2008. For the past two years you have been clinging to your hammock, pleading with the Marines to be spared the inevitable Cat-o-nine tails the electorate will give you when the Greens finally drag you to the ballot box.

You could have suffered one electoral defeat, left the bad decisions to the Opposition, and rode back in the next election with learned policies to bring you back to power. Instead, you have lost a generation. I originally said FF would never be seen on my voting radar again, and while I have reduced that to 5 General Elections before I even consider it, I will be counting, and even then I will vote for policies, not a party.

This awaits you in the New Year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1BoNgCR8NU

You have two choices. Man up and take it, or whinge about how great you are.

Inverse to the power of one!

An interesting update on this one, fogra are headed by a Mr. Phelim O'Neill.....a throw back from my NUIG days. Needless to say my memory's of O'Neill and his associates are of dyed in the wool, hardcore Catholic orthodoxists who were prone to slamming doors and reckless driving when they didn't win elections

So nothing new here, just more of the same.