Galway rent-a-bike scheme

snubbleste

Following on from the success of the Dublin scheme, the Council is seeking to bring it to Galway in summer 2011 - that's only 6 months away. It would be modelled on the dublin version, with a private company involved. There'll be docking stations and redistribution trucks moving bikes around to meet demand. See, wasn't that road upgrade on the SeamusQuirke road a good thing *L*
What do people think?

what_traffic

Its a great idea, Galway is probably even more suited to it than Dublin. I dont see why it could not be rolled out for July 2012 when the Volvo Ocean race will be in town. I only hope the cards will be smart. Allow GB (Galway Bikes ) users to use the DB scheme and other BikeSchemes that maybe launched around the country.

HardyEustace

Great idea, now even more people can enjoy the miles of well-planned, well-built cycle lanes.....oh wait......<scratches head>

what_traffic

HardyEustace wrote: »

Great idea, now even more people can enjoy the miles of well-planned, well-built cycle lanes.....oh wait......<scratches head>

What about all the roads we have in the city?

Ficheall

Is there not already a company doing something of that ilk?
All those green bikes one sees knocking around?

snubbleste

Ficheall wrote: »

Is there not already a company doing something of that ilk?
All those green bikes one sees knocking around?

no.
green is a popular colour.

Robbo

Article

Mayor Crowe said this can be done in a number of ways; a company can operate and run the service and be allocated advertising space elsewhere in the city - the set up and running costs would then be borne by the company. Alternatively, the council might take a more involved role.

Given that there's a financial black hole up there, we're looking at Option 1 then. So it's JC Deceaux and their wonderful hoardings then. I look forward to them fitting them on Galway's narrow streets without causing traffic or pedestrian hazards.

I'll be a user though if it materialises and would love to see it come to fruition.

snubbleste

Robbo appears in a non-sarcastic and positive post shocker.

HardyEustace

what_traffic wrote: »

What about all the roads we have in the city?

Erm, you're more likely to see a cyclist on a pavement than on the road in this city.

No problem if you're on your first set of teeth but I do get very cross when I see it.

I was knocked over by a stupid, lump of a woman on a mountain bike on the prom and still have the scars on my arm to prove it.

That said, I can understand why do cyclists do it. Somewhere like Lough attalia is a nightmare to cycle along particularly at rush hour.

But when you see what a disaster the cycle lanes in Doughiska are (like, seriously, WHAT IDIOT designed them, and WHAT IDIOT(s) thought they were a great idea) it doesn't bode well for the rest of the city.

A real shame and a missed opportunity to improve the city for it's residents and tourists.

Fionn MacCool

They have them in London, they look ridiculous and they seem to cost an awful amount to rent.


Anyway it wouldn't work, I'd definitely steal one.

inisboffin

With the ones in Dublin, I believe the first half hour is free - that's a grand deal if you're nipping across town.

A lot of those 'green' bikes you see were/are tourist rental bikes from one company. They often sell off some of their stock at the
end of season too, that's why there's a load of the same brand of green ones.

Fionn MacCool

HardyEustace wrote: »

Erm, you're more likely to see a cyclist on a pavement than on the road in this city.

No problem if you're on your first set of teeth but I do get very cross when I see it

I agree, but you also get a load of twats in cars who will actually give out to cyclists and tell them to get of the road! Cyclists are like the Jews of the transport world.

thesandeman

Idiot on a bike nearly caused 2 people ending up in hospital and a dog in the vets a couple of hours ago. I was crossing from Lidl to Aldi with dog. Cars going nice and slow. One car waved me across. Just reaching the far side when this dickhead on a bike comes flying down the inside with no lights. He bounced off me but we both kept upright. He must have come from at least eight car lenghts back (and they were well spaced out) in less than two seconds as I was watching out. If the dog had been 6 inches ahead of me instead of to heel the bike would have got tangled in the lead and brought us all down. People like him bring responsible cyclists a bad name.

challengemaster

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

I agree, but you also get a load of twats in cars who will actually give out to cyclists and tell them to get of the road! Cyclists are like the Jews of the transport world.

Mainly because if you actually drive, cyclists become one of the most dangerous obstructions on the road, and by their own doing. I've yet to see a cyclist stop for a red light

brianthebard

challengemaster wrote: »

Mainly because if you actually drive, cyclists become one of the most dangerous obstructions on the road, and by their own doing. I've yet to see a cyclist stop for a red light

Cyclists are road users not obstructions, but kudos for proving Fionn's point. Considering the multiples of drivers I see going through red lights in galway every day I'm not sure you've made the strongest argument here. You can follow me around on my bike next time I'm out if you like and I'll stop at all the lights as I (and the majority of cyclists) usually do.

Iwannahurl

Road behaviour in Galway City is shockingly bad, and that includes cyclists. The traffic law enforcers -- Council and Garda -- are not much better, either in their own driving behaviour or in enforcing the law fairly and consistently.

That said, more cyclists on the road will make cycling safer. Anything that promotes cycling in a sustainable way is good as far as I am concerned.

ciotog

challengemaster wrote: »

Mainly because if you actually drive, cyclists become one of the most dangerous obstructions on the road, and by their own doing. I've yet to see a cyclist stop for a red light

You're more than welcome to follow me around when I cycle - I can also point you in the direction of large numbers of regular cyclists who obey the rules of the road (including traffic lights). I don't disagree that there are cyclists who do stupid things on the road and endanger themselves and others but don't paint the rest of us with broad strokes. You will see lots of motorists running red lights (I have examples on video) just stand at the junction of the Newcastle Road and the Quincentenary Bridge (one 'blackspot' exampe) you'll see several for yourself. As others have said, we need to see the Gardai enforcing all traffic regulations to all traffic/road users (i.e. include motorists, cyclists and pedestrians).

Iwannahurl

ciotog wrote: »

You're more than welcome to follow me around when I cycle - I can also point you in the direction of large numbers of regular cyclists who obey the rules of the road (including traffic lights). I don't disagree that there are cyclists who do stupid things on the road and endanger themselves and others but don't paint the rest of us with broad strokes. You will see lots of motorists running red lights (I have examples on video) just stand at the junction of the Newcastle Road and the Quincentenary Bridge (one 'blackspot' exampe) you'll see several for yourself. As others have said, we need to see the Gardai enforcing all traffic regulations to all traffic/road users (i.e. include motorists, cyclists and pedestrians).

Link or GTFO.







No offence meant -- just honouring Boards conventions.

ciotog

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Link or GTFO.
No offence meant -- just honouring Boards conventions.

Will upload later - have to sift through and copy out the clips

Robbo

Anyone else coming around to the idea that the only solution to the great cyclist/motorist debate is summary executions on both sides for infringements? Think of the positives: safer roads, enforcement through terror, an astonishing sense of community, a positive atmosphere, a sense of a job well done, a shared sigh of relief very much like the bizarre euphoria at the end of an hours vomiting.

snubbleste

No it's just you.

If anyone wants proof of how dangerous the Bridge/Newcastle Road junction is, stand there and activate the pedestrian light and notice how many motorists actively choose to accelerate through red lights when the green man is showing for pedestrians. Then phone the Garda about it and you'll just get a disinterested response: shure dats da way dat road is

Robbo

snubbleste wrote: »

No it's just you.

If anyone wants proof of how dangerous the Bridge/Newcastle Road junction is, stand there and activate the pedestrian light and notice how many motorists actively choose to accelerate through red lights when the green man is showing for pedestrians. Then phone the Garda about it and you'll just get a disinterested response: shure dats da way dat road is

A couple of red light cameras there would have us quids in quickstyle.

what_traffic

Back to the Thread title. What about suggestions for locations of the Docking Stations? And how big should the initial network of the GalwayBike Scheme be?

snubbleste

what_traffic wrote: »

Back to the Thread title. What about suggestions for locations of the Docking Stations? And how big should the initial network of the GalwayBike Scheme be?

Obvious ones:
The poor clares convent
Forthill cemetery
Coolaugh quarry
Mutton Island
An Post sorting depot
Tonabrucky reservoir

100 bikes should do it

Fionn MacCool

ciotog wrote: »

Will upload later - have to sift through and copy out the clips

Videos of cars going through red lights? That'll be a Youtube sensation!

Mrs OBumble

inisboffin wrote: »

With the ones in Dublin, I believe the first half hour is free - that's a grand deal if you're nipping across town.

A lot of those 'green' bikes you see were/are tourist rental bikes from one company. They often sell off some of their stock at the
end of season too, that's why there's a load of the same brand of green ones.

Won't council sponsorship of this scheme put them out of business?

McTigs

JustMary wrote: »

Won't council sponsorship of this scheme put them out of business?

Different kind of bikes and a different target market i'd imagine.

Those green bikes are touring bikes, suitable for tourists biking a good distance.... like at least as far as silver strand. Big wheels.

These new ones are more geared for nipping around the town, suitable for locals and maybe tourists making short journeys. Small wheels.

brianthebard

McTigs wrote: »

Different kind of bikes and a different target market i'd imagine.

Those green bikes are touring bikes, suitable for tourists biking a good distance.... like at least as far as silver strand. Big wheels.

These new ones are more geared for nipping around the town, suitable for locals and maybe tourists making short journeys. Small wheels.

Not really; are you basing this on the dublin bikes? They don't have small wheels. The green bikes are single speed and the dublin bikes have at least a couple of gears, which would be of more importance over long distances.

McTigs

My bad, i had no factual knowledge there i just thought from looking at pictures that the wheels were like a Triumph 20 size diameter.

Are you sure the green bikes single speed? That's news to me too.

brianthebard

Every green bike for hire I've ever seen is single speed, I tend to keep an eye out for this sort of thing for no good reason.
The wheels on the rental bikes probably aren't the biggest but I don't think they are 20inch either. Would have to check though.

Seaneh

the green bikes are usually 18 speed... The rental bikes are smaller than mountainbike wheels. Not sure how small though. They are not really suitable for distances more than a mile or two and are designed as such. Meant for people popping around town not going for spins out the country. The fact that the first half hour is free kinds proves that.

challengemaster

brianthebard wrote: »

Cyclists are road users not obstructions, but kudos for proving Fionn's point. Considering the multiples of drivers I see going through red lights in galway every day I'm not sure you've made the strongest argument here. You can follow me around on my bike next time I'm out if you like and I'll stop at all the lights as I (and the majority of cyclists) usually do.

I never said they weren't, I did say that they BECOME obstructions by their own doings. Also I hope you aren't implying that I'm a twat in a car who hates cyclists.

ciotog wrote: »

You're more than welcome to follow me around when I cycle - I can also point you in the direction of large numbers of regular cyclists who obey the rules of the road (including traffic lights). I don't disagree that there are cyclists who do stupid things on the road and endanger themselves and others but don't paint the rest of us with broad strokes. You will see lots of motorists running red lights (I have examples on video) just stand at the junction of the Newcastle Road and the Quincentenary Bridge (one 'blackspot' exampe) you'll see several for yourself. As others have said, we need to see the Gardai enforcing all traffic regulations to all traffic/road users (i.e. include motorists, cyclists and pedestrians).

Here's the thing - This arguement could go on forever. I've seen some people in cars go through red lights around galway, but I've never seen one cyclist stop for them. There's always going to be some percentage of the population on the roads that are idiots, no matter what form of transport they use. The thing is - I know what I'm doing when I'm driving, and other cars too (generally) but there's no knowing what cyclists could do, and that's mainly because of a lack of obeying ROTR and having some common sense.

brianthebard

challengemaster wrote: »

I never said they weren't, I did say that they BECOME obstructions by their own doings. Also I hope you aren't implying that I'm a twat in a car who hates cyclists.

No, they are still not obstructions, they continue to be road users.

Here's the thing - This arguement could go on forever. I've seen some people in cars go through red lights around galway, but I've never seen one cyclist stop for them.

personal experience =/= reality. Post the above in the cycling forum and see how far you get.

challengemaster

brianthebard wrote: »

personal experience =/= reality. Post the above in the cycling forum and see how far you get.

vice-versa for the motoring forum.... and it goes on and on. :rolleyes:

harryd2

Great idea. I hope it will help development of some cycling paths around Galway.

po0k

brianthebard wrote: »

Not really; are you basing this on the dublin bikes? They don't have small wheels. The green bikes are single speed and the dublin bikes have at least a couple of gears, which would be of more importance over long distances.

I drive, cycle, bus and walk.
Dublin Bikes have 3 gears and are very heavy.
Single speed light frame would be grand for tearing along once you have momentum.
I'd imagine the touring bikes would be fitted with groupsets and deraileurs if there was demand and it made more money.

I rode the Dublin bikes for about a month to get a feel for cycling on the roads whilst waiting for my own bike to be delivered. Would never go back to them.
Cycle lanes are a little better up here, but the DB users are often people who can balance themselves on a bike, but haven't a bull's notion about the rules of the road, spatial awareness or self-preservation.
Wobbly feckers most of the time.

When cycling in Galway years ago, I would just take up the space of a car on the road as it wasn't wise/safe to be cycling at the edge, pedestrians step out without looking, you're not always in the field of vision of drivers, buses will crush you etc. Never got honked at, did my best not to hold folk up either.
I have gone on footpaths in the past when parked cars and heavy traffic blocked the road. Would cycle when the path was clear, keeping away from shopfronts and doorways, and would dismount if needed.
Shame about the 'outside' pedal catching people's shins the odd time, but thems the breaks.

Banning on-street parking on Eglinton street would be great, unless you're a driver and need to park there.

yer man!

Any update on this? I know they wanted it in in time for volvo race.

galwaycyclist

yer man! wrote: »

Any update on this? I know they wanted it in in time for volvo race.

The minister - who I met Wednesday week - says his money is on table. They want a commercial co-sponsor to come in and put up match funding. So it would be branded like the "Barclays" bikes in London. (of course everyone calls them "Boris" bikes )

From memory, I think they are looking for 3.7 million for a 15 year sponsorship deal. So it would be the Coca Cola/Pepsi etc Galway Bikes Scheme.

what_traffic

galwaycyclist wrote: »

The minister - who I met Wednesday week - says his money is on table. They want a commercial co-sponsor to come in and put up match funding. So it would be branded like the "Barclays" bikes in London. (of course everyone calls them "Boris" bikes )

From memory, I think they are looking for 3.7 million for a 15 year sponsorship deal. So it would be the Coca Cola/Pepsi etc Galway Bikes Scheme.

/Medtronic/Boston Scientific's i.e major multinationals who could afford this. 3.7million. (Per city right?)

Lapin

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

Cyclists are like the Jews of the transport world.

What a fúcked up in the head thing to say.

You sound like the kid who used to pull his pants down in the schoolyard to get a few cheap laughs from the other kids.

biko

FYI - Fionn was banned a long time ago for that and other things, so he can't respond to you.

Davyhal

I must say to people posting on this thread, be careful what you say.... I have come to realise that the cyclists of Boards.ie are very defensive over their right to pick and choose which road laws apply to them... We should just admit now that they are the superior people. How dare we use motor vehicles on public roads when they are cycling... tut tut tut

beardybrewer

Davyhal wrote: »

I have come to realise that the cyclists of Boards.ie are very defensive over their right to pick and choose which road laws apply to them... We should just admit now that they are the superior people. How dare we use motor vehicles on public roads when they are cycling... tut tut tut

Robbo

I don't always use the wrong meme, but when I do...

beardybrewer

Robbo wrote: »

I don't always use the wrong meme, but when I do...

biko