Strength and Conditioning work - p90x?

ecoli

Has anyone ever tried this plan to complement their running?

Having looked at it i am considering taking this plan as it seems to have alot of the components needed to complement runnning - 6 days a week of strength and conditioning sessions, plyometric sessions and yoga for flexibilty.

The only thing i am trying to consider is that fact that it is supposed to be intense in itself and i am wondering if anyone has had experience with decent mileage along with this plan or would it be too much and compromise my training???

If anyone has experience with the programme would be interested in hearing??

pgibbo

Not familiar with P90X. If you're looking at something to compliment your running, I'd have a look at the Strength and Conditioning workout here. At least they cater for sports 3 to 4 hours after a workout. Plus it's free!

ecoli

pgibbo wrote: »

Not familiar with P90X. If you're looking at something to compliment your running, I'd have a look at the Strength and Conditioning workout here. At least they cater for sports 3 to 4 hours after a workout. Plus it's free!

Hmmm... reading through their stuff i wouldnt be sold especially in reading that they see their "strength and conditioning" work as a substitute rather than complimenting?

It brings to light the reality of LSD/Oxidative training and why it is ineffective and extremely unhealthy. It gives you the ability to understand training endurance athletes and how to make strength and conditioning a major part of the program and not a supplement.

http://www.crossfitendurance.com/what-is-crossfit-endurance/

pgibbo

I hear what you're saying. That's not to say that you can't use their workouts to compliment your running. I think you'll find you get a complete body workout with them. They're generally 20 minutes or so in duration plus some time for a warm-up and cooldown. The Crossfit main site have workouts too but I find the ones from CFE compliment running / multisport better.

I have a message on facebook from a coach in Cork that uses CF or CFE with his athletes. One of them is a national 400m or 800m Irish Champion from what I recall. I'll dig it out and PM it to you.

thirtyfoot

6 days a week sounds a lot for s&c if you also want to run. The old adage of you don't get fast in the gym, you get fast on the track (or road) should always be considered. If you are doing s&c 6 days a week then will your running suffer?

As regards CF (or circuits in old money), many coaches use circuits and allround body conditioning. Particularly in conditioning phase of training in winter.

My advice on s&c, get someone who knows what they are talking about, understand running and can meet and see you. CF is grand but off the shelf, may not work for you. I know a couple of champion athletes who use CF, I know many that use almost bodybuilding type lifting and many who use circuits. The important thing in all cases is to know what you are doing. I don't know enough about s&c so 'employ' someone to look after the athletes I coach. They know what the athlete is doing on the track, they know what niggles they may have, they know what weaknesses they have etc etc. An off the shelf program will not know this. As always, be wary of off the shelf and if in doubt and you can't get help from an expert, then keep it simple.

Zuppy

I remember the PX90 being discussed on the fitness forum (I think).

I looked at it last year and the six days a week seemed to be a bit much for endurance running.

But it depends what your goals are.
If your a sprinter lacking power or a Marathoner lacking fundamental movement skills? Will it work for you and your goals? It will probably help the power development either way.

ecoli

Completely agree with what both of you are saying but with one yoga session and one plyo session a week that only leaves 3 days of S&C work really ( i think one being core)
Again i am just trying to weigh it up as it seems to work on alot of aspects conducive to a good running training plan (core, flexibility, explosive power)
Not hundred percent clear on the ins and outs so i was just wondering if anyone had experience with it perhaps the yoga on the days of sessions or what level of difficulty that is etc.
Do my usual bit but i thought this may be a good alternative so that i dont get in a comfort zone and neglect aspects i dont like etc (flexibility something i definitely neglect)

(Taking new direction in my training so trying to consider all options you know yourself)

pgibbo

Where are you based ecoli? If you are in Dublin, then a chat with Mark McCabe might be good. I recently heard him talk about SnC at a Swim Ireland event and he seems very clued in. He has done Ironman events too so he knows all about endurance. He's a firm believer in SnC.

thirtyfoot

pgibbo wrote: »

Where are you based ecoli? If you are in Dublin, then a chat with Mark McCabe might be good. I recently heard him talk about SnC at a Swim Ireland event and he seems very clued in. He has done Ironman events too so he knows all about endurance. He's a firm believer in SnC.

Yes, Mark McCabe is pretty good, probably the best in Ireland when it comes to athletics S&C. Works with Derval and an increasing number of athletes. Has a good team too in Kildare St. Pricey though for S&C sessions, it will be personal trainer levels. I went there once a week for a season pretty much, was the business I must say. They work a lot on all over body condtioning there.

RealistSpy

Thats is similar to my training at the moment 3 weights session, 1 hurdle flexibility session, 1 plyometric session and 3 track session (speed, top speed and edurance) in a week.

I can send you a copy of my periodisation if you want. My squat has increased from 140 to 200kg and Deadlift from 170 to 200kg aswell.

thirtyfoot

RealistSpy wrote: »

Thats is similar to my training at the moment 3 weights session, 1 hurdle flexibility session, 1 plyometric session and 3 track session (speed, top speed and edurance) in a week.

I can send you a copy of my periodisation if you want. My squat has increased from 140 to 200kg and Deadlift from 170 to 200kg aswell.

Have your sprint time increased similarly?

RealistSpy

thirtyfoot wrote: »

Have your sprint time increased similarly?

I have been doing it for 4 months now. I havent been timed yet but I hope it has improved if not then we have a big problem. I am only doing 60m - 100m in competition.

I feel stronger but am in power phase now so I am hoping I can put all the strength to power.

pgibbo

RealistSpy wrote: »

I can send you a copy of my periodisation if you want. My squat has increased from 140 to 200kg and Deadlift from 170 to 200kg aswell.

I'd be interested ins eeing that if you don't mind. Cheers

ecoli

pgibbo wrote: »

I'd be interested ins eeing that if you don't mind. Cheers

+1 on that.

thanks for all the reccomendations was just trying to see the validity of it as overall it looks like has the components to be good to supplimenting training but like you say might be too much and take away from my training
Agree with 30foot there no substitution for running but i was looking at this as more of a keeping me on my feet to run

RealistSpy

ecoli wrote: »

+1 on that.

thanks for all the reccomendations was just trying to see the validity of it as overall it looks like has the components to be good to supplimenting training but like you say might be too much and take away from my training
Agree with 30foot there no substitution for running but i was looking at this as more of a keeping me on my feet to run

Tell me what you think after.