Andrews Channelmaster 1.2 vs Triax TD110

human 19

Hi all, I am looking to go motorised and am shopping for equipment. Is anyone in a position to tell me which would be the better of these 2 dishes, in order to receive as many channels as possible? I've been searching for a few hours now and cant find a comparison between the 2.

It looks like I will go with an inverto black premium lnb into my VU+duo.

btw, I will be looking for an install on the side of the house, around the apex of the roof, in order to look over my neighbours house which is due south, beside mine

watty

You need a 36V actuator for the Channelmaster, then a Diseqc USALS box to drive it, if it's a "proper" Channelmaster. It's a better dish, but heavier. If it's a professional series one you also need a flanged LNB and the recommended feed horn.

On a Diseqc Motor (Motek SG2100x series) the 110cm needs to be in a sheltered location, it's the largest size recommended for a Diseqc Motor powered of LNB cable


higher dish is Motorised Triax 110cm on Motek Diseqc motor, pointing @28.2E

It's not blocked by trees or houses. 42E to 45W

At Due south elevation is a bit more than 30 degrees. That will give idea of height needed. At 28E the elevation is about 22 degrees, as it is also at about 22W. Depending on your exact location.

go frequencies on Europe and Atlantic on www.lyngsat.com and you will see elevation & Azimuth based on your IP address location. A good rough guide. Check Footprints. i.e. 42E West can be got easily, and 42E East beam is impossible. 12.5W you can get Europe Beam and CONUS (continental US) is impossible.

Greenman

The Channel Master wins hands down, a great dish. I've got 2.

Any questions on the CM 1.2 I'll try and answer.

Here's one before it was installed.







Then I placed a second one. Thats the Triax TD 110 beside the CM 1.2M

byte

Goddamn, I'm green with envy! (apt nick )

human 19

Thanks, guys
If its around 30deg elevation due south then I wont need to go high over the apex. The house is about 3/4 the height of a normal 2-storey I had thought I may get away with a diseqc if I used the triax, but couldnt see it being possible with the Andrews. So it looks like that would not be a good idea with the Triax either then?
So basically I was originally wondering if the difference between the 2 dishes was worth going to the extra hassle of 36V and the "box" mentioned by Watty (are you referring to a STB or someting else?)

Anyone know of a tutorial, or even a shop with 36v actuators +whatever else required, so I can start getting my head around what is required, prices etc?

I wont be installing it myself by the way.

dxhound2005

You might get some ideas on this site. I never dealt with them myself and their prices seem a bit steep.

http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/

I have the Triax 1.1 m dish and motor. Luckily the back of my house looks south and is fairly sheltered and I can get 58 West to 53 East. Sorry no pictures. It was put up by a professional three years ago and apart from having to tweak the position slightly twice since it has never given any trouble.

Greenman

Why not go for the T-90 and save yourself lots of bother.



Have a look here http://www.satlex.be/nl/wavefrontier-page_1.html

Re shops I have found the German shops best re price/quality and speed of delivery.

Those CM 1.2's are on ebay secondhand.

Do let us know what you do.:)

watty

The box goes on LNB coax and the satellite receiver is set up as if it has USALS + diseqc motor. The box has the mains power and extra cables to the 36V actuators.

Much faster and more robust than Diseqc motor

Anyway, you can see from photo of Greenman and mine that the Triax is flimsey and light and Channel Master is serious dish can be in exposed place.

human 19

Thanks for your replys.
I have been searching fror ages for 36v H-H motors and I still havent found any. There were plenty of references to the Jaeger 1224 which seems to be discontinued for some reason.
Can someone tell me what choices are available to me in such motors?
Thanks

watty

Re: 36V
They are not actually motors, like a Diseqc motor.

They look like piston on hatch back. They are called Jacks or Actuators

e.g. http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/S/HARL-3624-TD-24-Moteck-Actuator.htm

dxhound2005

http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/motors.htm

watty

Yes, for 1.2m and bigger, actuator not motor, except for monster motor.

For the 90cm or 1.0m - Horizon to Horizon motor.
This motor is designed for the 90cm and 1.0m Raven (formally Andrews and before that Channel Master) dishes.
...
We would not recommend this motor with the larger Raven 1.2m dish.
For the 1.2m use the heavier duty motor below. [or actuator]
For the 1.2m - Heavy duty polar mount and actuator.
This polar mount is designed for 1.5m dishes and modified by the Satellite Superstore to fit the Raven
1.2m dish. It bolts onto the back of the Raven dish. An 18" is actuator included. Very heavy duty for the
most exposed of locations. Heavy duty polar mounts and jacks can take much higher wind loads.
Both motors are designed to clamp onto a 76mm (3-inch) diameter pole. Dish not included.
Heavy duty polar mount and 36V, 18" actuator for Raven 1.2m dish
Order code, 36RPM18 £199.95

The heavy duty 1224 Supermount H to H motor
Ideal for the Raven, (Formally Andrews and before that Channel Master) 90cm, 1.0m & [ up to ] 1.2m dishes.
dishes. Easy access for replaceable plug-in reed switch. Extremely reliable. We have had one on dem. in
an exposed location on a 3m pole above the roof, bolted to a 1.2m dish for over 4 years. Fits a 3 inch pole
wall mount.
£249.95

For Actuator and 36V motor you also usually need a "Vbox" if there is no built in Diseqc LNB loop through.

The actuator is fast, but doesn't do full range
H to H is a misnomer as you can't actually go below 10 degree elevation generally, unless on a very rural high point. 42E to 45W is realistic in West or Mid-West Ireland.

Good advice from http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/motors.htm

For motorised use, The Diseqc motor works fine on steel dishes up to 90cm and aluminium dishes up to 1.0m
in "normal" locations. For larger dishes, or exposed locations (e.g. above the gutter on a high pole
or on the west coastline of Scotland or Ireland,) or for larger dishes use a V Box and a 36v motor.

Apogee

human 19 wrote: »

Thanks for your replys.
I have been searching fror ages for 36v H-H motors and I still havent found any. There were plenty of references to the Jaeger 1224 which seems to be discontinued for some reason.
Can someone tell me what choices are available to me in such motors?
Thanks

Unfortunately, the 1224 is no longer manufactured as Jaeger have gone bust - I've been looking for a second one for ages. It was available for approx €140 at one point, but now you have to source old stock, which most retailers are charging very high prices for. There was a Moteck H-180 H-to-H motor available at one point, but that appears to have been discontinued as well - the user reviews weren't particularly favourable either.

I haven't come across a similar product since.

watty

Then it's down to home brew wiper motors or else 36V jack/Actuators. Which don't do as much degrees range?

human 19

apogee, there is one on sale on ebay, allegedy new, if you are interested:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Jaeger-1224-Horizon-Horizon-Motor-new-boxed-/110618874902?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item19c1661416

12 element

It's a shame there's not more of these motors available. I suppose there's not much demand for them.

human 19

There has to be SOMETHING for people who want more than 45 deg each way.

watty

use a polar mount and a regular €500+ HF aerial system rotator!

You could buy an OB link. It will do 360 (doesn't matter what direction or slope truck is parked. Azimuth and Elevation motors instead of polar mount.)

Apogee

human 19 wrote: »

apogee, there is one on sale on ebay, allegedy new, if you are interested:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Jaeger-1224-Horizon-Horizon-Motor-new-boxed-/110618874902?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item19c1661416

SSSSHHHH!!!! Don't tell everybody!!! Yes, I've got my eye on that already.

A polarmount should be able to do a 90degree range - with a bit of fiddling. Depending on where the jack is attached, we can get from 62E to 30W with a 24" inch on a 2.4M. A smaller dish should be able to manage that and more, depending on the polarmount assembly.


http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/dishes-motors2.htm
Channel master = Andrews. The polarmount used in that pic looks like the polarmount that comes with Gibertini dishes (I have a 1.5M myself).



You can source part of the Gibertini polar mount easily, but not the brackets that attach to the pole. It would be worth contacting satellite superstore to see if they will sell the entire kit. I'd be interested in one myself.
http://hisat.com/proddetail.php?prod=DISPOLAR120150GIB

The other possibility is the SG-99 (various brands) which is 36V but wouldn't be as robust as a polarmount or supermount.



http://www.aerialsuperstore.co.uk/jaeger-smr-99g-silent-gold-h-h-mount-58-p.asp

human 19

Sorry Watty and dxhound, I should have paid more attention to your posts...

SATSHOP.jpg

This looks like just the thin from satellite superstore. Free shipping to Ireland also.

Thanks for your help all, (though I'll probably be back soon.)

excollier

human 19 wrote: »

Sorry Watty and dxhound, I should have paid more attention to your posts...

SATSHOP.jpg

This looks like just the thin from satellite superstore. Free shipping to Ireland also.

Thanks for your help all, (though I'll probably be back soon.)

Would this fit an Andrew ValuStar 1.2m I wonder?

human 19

according to the shop's website
http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/motors.htm
"Ideal for the Raven, (Formally Andrews and before that Channel Master) 90cm, 1.0m & 1.2m dishes"
and
"Dish adapter brackets included."


I dont know this Andrew Valustar, but you could always ring them and ask if interested
Sales lines - Tel. (0044) 1207 544664 and (0044) 1207 544224.

excollier

human 19 wrote: »

according to the shop's website
http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/motors.htm
"Ideal for the Raven, (Formally Andrews and before that Channel Master) 90cm, 1.0m & 1.2m dishes"
and
"Dish adapter brackets included."


I dont know this Andrew Valustar, but you could always ring them and ask if interested
Sales lines - Tel. (0044) 1207 544664 and (0044) 1207 544224.

Thanks, I'll give them a try.

nadirou1

hi Greenman
i have channel master 1.2 with actuator jack and v-box , and i need guide for setting


it if possible with pictures
please

i like your dish and setting.

your help is much appreciated

thanks


i am in Ireland Dublin

Greenman

nadirou1 wrote: »

hi Greenman
i have channel master 1.2 with actuator jack and v-box , and i need guide for setting

Sorry but I do not use the V-box, I use those bog standard actuator control boxes as per pic.



Very easy to use and setup, just make sure you get your wiring correct.:)

Sorry I was not more help, maybe someone else will come to the rescue.:)

nadirou1

hi Greenman

thank you very much for your reply

what i meant is how to install motorised channel master dish with actuator arm ?

step by step guide please , like your dish channel master in picture

thank you again


thanks again

Greenman

nadirou1 wrote: »

hi Greenman

thank you very much for your reply

what i meant is how to install motorised channel master dish with actuator arm ?

step by step guide please , like your dish channel master in picture

thank you again


thanks again

I've been using turnable systems for years.

In short you work out what you want, say 50 degrees east to 50 degrees west.

Then have the actuator at its mid point.

Find Thor on 0.8 west.

Then with patience modify the your polarmount, make a few marks with a felt marker so you do not go off too much.

Give it a go but be patient, if you're not doing well take a break and come back to it.

Maybe someone has better ideas but the above worked for me.:)