WIT SU, are our Leaders Representatives and Voice.

lemons

WIT SU, are our Leaders Representatives and Voice.

I as a student I feel that they have for some reason kept too quite on the recent development of the Governments plan to increase the Registration Fee, Decrease Grants and along with lowering the minimum wage increase VAT.

Not mentioning lowering the Tax cut of point.


Along with many others this will severely effect Students and I feel not enough is being done to ensure the Government gets the message that we will not pay the bills of others at the cost of our right to free Education.

I can appreciate that WIT SU is active and has done a great Job with "Take Control of your future week" but will the outcome of the governments decision not effect our future?

Please WIT SU let's rally the Students and show this Government we will no longer be Bullied and told what to do.

ilikemusic

Pointless...

The IMF are here now..
The SU know nothing can be done about it, there is no point in protesting. A cut in the min wage will save many Irish businesses & a least our fee's aren't as bad as the states!

AdMMM

Too late. Maybe if we protested 3 years a go we'd have had some sort of influence but now the horse has well and truly bolted.

Sully

I raised a similar point around the time of the USI protest WITSU went with. They should be protesting against other items effecting students, and at least come up with an actual alternative when demanding no fees!

x3wiggles

In fairness, WITSU wouldn't want to be protesting at every opportunity.
Us as students would never get any work done :P

lemons

ilikemusic wrote: »

Pointless...

The IMF are here now..
The SU know nothing can be done about it, there is no point in protesting. A cut in the min wage will save many Irish businesses & a least our fee's aren't as bad as the states!

I don't think that saving €1920 per year for each full time employee will save any business worth their salt. If anything the managers will put it in their pocket. And comparing our fee's to the states is pointless as they have a higher earning threshold. I would say though that it is sad that they are that high.

In regards to finding a compromise and proposing an alternative saving money by increasing fee's.
The republic has 34 Administrative divisions each have 2 offices where they deal with third level grant applications. I'm not going to do the math here but one could save a lot of money by organizing this into one central office with less staff and higher efficiency.m I would propose something similar to the new online-medical card application procedure.

Sparkles:)

cutting min wage is a fantastic decision, just look at germany's system, low wages, mid level corporation tax, and high employment...

not only will a lower min wage help current irish businesses but will incourage more FDI and ultimately help our economy

lemons

Well yeah in theory it's great everyone gets a job.

But in reality if you've ever lived in Germany as I have you would know it's a desperate situation to be in.

That is to be employed and not able to receive state help yet still not have enough money to pay for the basic human needs.

Sparkles:)

well i havent lived there but my sister in law is german, and my brother has lived there for over 10 years and they think the system works.

pay high taxes but actually have a health care system that works, nice roads, lower wages, but a lower cost of living and a higher rate of employment...

although i can see how one would think their system doesnt work... it's not like their GDP is rising... oh wait

ilikemusic

lemons wrote: »

I don't think that saving €1920 per year for each full time employee will save any business worth their salt. If anything the managers will put it in their pocket.

I don't think you are taking into consideration, that a business could have 100+ employees, thats a min saving of €192,000 per year, a substantial saving for a business. Even for businesses with only 5 - 10 employees, their savings will be much appreciated.
As as for managers pocketing it, i think you will find that is called stealing?? :rolleyes:

lemons

Sparkles:) wrote: »

well i haven't lived there but my sister in law is German, and my brother has lived there for over 10 years and they think the system works.

pay high taxes but actually have a health care system that works, nice roads, lower wages, but a lower cost of living and a higher rate of employment...

although i can see how one would think their system doesnt work... it's not like their GDP is rising... oh wait

In regards to the higher rate of employment it is due to the introduction of 1€ jobs.

These are jobs where the employer pays a symbolic 1€ to the employee and the state makes up the rest of their usual benefits. This gives the illusion that Germany has a low unemployment rate, where in fact people are forced to take on these jobs or face loosing all state benefits. this in other words is called slavery or forced labour. In theory it works quite well but in reality once you are enslaved into this euro job you do not have the time to retrain or take part in further education and therefor get stuck in this type of job for the rest of your life.

In regards to your comment on Germany's GDP, it was lower than 2008 in 2009 (a fall of 4.7%) and projected forecast for 2010 is a growth of (3.3%) this looks positive, but if one knows any thing about economics on knows this does not give a fair portrayal of the standard of living in the country only the buying power it has.

lemons

ilikemusic wrote: »

I don't think you are taking into consideration, that a business could have 100+ employees, thats a min saving of €192,000 per year, a substantial saving for a business. Even for businesses with only 5 - 10 employees, their savings will be much appreciated.
As as for managers pocketing it, i think you will find that is called stealing?? :rolleyes:

Ok so it saves a well off business some money. Lets see what the cut in the minimum wage will do to a student along with all the other cuts. (i will take my earnings and costs as an example)

Part time job, that is 20 hours a week. Now I earn €173 a week and that is €8304 a year.
with the cut I will earn €153 a week and €7344 a year.
That is a loss in earnings of €960.

Now take into account on a yearly wage of €7344 that a student has to pay for €2000 reg fee that leaves €5344.
Factoring one pays €250 on rent a month (heating and utilities inc.) that is €3000 year. This leaves €2344 to live off a year. That is exactly €48.83 a week.

(before the cut the student would have had a low but reasonable amount of €68.83)

Here I only have factored in the increase in registration fee's and decrease in minimum wage imagine you factor in Vat it looks even worse then.

Remember we did not bankrupt this country, the Banks and over paid politicians did. If they think we can live of a minimum wage of €7.65 they should too.

why should a student or any other vulnerable person have to pay for their mistakes?

Sparkles:)

my heart bleeds for ya, some of us already live on about 40€ a week some live on less, far less... everyone has to make sacrifices, if it bothers you that much, defer next year and get the dole part time and use that to keep your finances up for the following year or if you are in real financial difficulty the student union are equipped to help students in such difficulties. Minimum wage has been too high in this country for years! as has social welfare and it is a contributing factor to the inflation this country has had.

Sparksxx

Sully

Can someone point out what our good friends in WITSU have done wrong and/or what the latest posts have to do with them? I'm a tad lost..

MitchKoobski

I think this stopped being about WITSU at post #5....

Sully

Hail to the WITSU folks.

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