Anyone going to Saturday's march in Dublin?

dayshah

Just curious if many people are travelling from Waterford to the march in Dublin. I know its organised by ICTU, but I'm sure everyone is welcome.

I normally don't go to marches, but I'm fairly angry that the min wage is cut, but the very top civil servants don't get cut (even though it was recommended by the pay review body last year).

ziedth

I'm thinking about going up, the Union involvement would put me off though and I'm fairly sure there is going to be trouble so I don't know for sure.

I'd say I will, I'd feel guility giving out the whole time if I didn't do something.

dayshah

ziedth wrote: »

I'm thinking about going up, the Union involvement would put me off though and I'm fairly sure there is going to be trouble so I don't know for sure.

I'd say I will, I'd feel guility giving out the whole time if I didn't do something.

From what I read they are aiming for a family event, not smashy smashy stuff. There might be people who want trouble but ICTU said they are deliberately not going near government buildings so as not to trigger an event like at the student protest. GPO has a nice historic quality. In 1916 trade unionists (eg James Connolly and so on) marched from Liberty Hall to the GPO, and then the rest of lads came along too. They made a change then anyway

I hope this becomes a good broad protest. I heard Jim Corr will be at it spouting his craziness, but I won't let that put me off. I heard the unions are organising buses, but I've no information.

old gregg

Yea, not sure of the logistics yet of getting there but hoping to make this if at all possible.

ziedth

You know what time is starts/finishes?

dayshah

ziedth wrote: »

You know what time is starts/finishes?

This facebook page (you ain't nothing without a facebook campaign) is saying 11.15 http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Call-for-a-revolution-in-Ireland/116110171774654

but the ICTU are saying 12.00.

I cut and pasted this from their site:

<a href="http://www.ictu.ie"><img src="http://www.ictu.ie/common/images/nov27/lIT01-ICTU-banner_1.png&quot; width="468" height="60" alt="Support the National Demonstration Against the Cuts - 12 noon on Nov 27th at Wood Quay Dublin" style="border: 0;"/></a>

Starts midday. Finishes within the hour i'd say, depending on number of attendees.

ziedth

Think I will go up,

Be well back then well in time for the beers

dayshah

ziedth wrote: »

Think I will go up,

Be well back then well in time for the beers

And get some Chrimbo shopping done too. It might be our last bit of cash for a few years

old gregg

If anyone has info on the organised buses it would be muchly appreciated. It's sort of a waste to take the car when I'd have nothing else to do up there on Sat.

ziedth

Ate those €10 trains still going?

old gregg

ziedth wrote: »

Ate those €10 trains still going?

don't think so, just tried a booking and it's €27 for a day return

kildarecommuter

old gregg wrote: »

don't think so, just tried a booking and it's €27 for a day return

I think there is apromotional code you need for €10 fare try ICTUs website.
Buses are being run from all over country I believe, try ringing ICTU or any union I guess. I believe they are trying to make it a family/carnival style march to swamp the few lunatics who always show up.

Deise Tom

Do people seriously thinking marching down a few streets shouting OUT, OUT, OUT or whatever will achieve anything.

kildarecommuter

Deise Tom wrote: »

Do people seriously thinking marching down a few streets shouting OUT, OUT, OUT or whatever will achieve anything.

It may not achieve anything but not doing anything will certainly not help. My theory is there plans for last few years didnt work so this one wont either. If a big crowd turn out it may make them reconsider how they are doing it.
I know we are all going to pay but i just dont trustFF to plan anything at this stage

MoodRacer

old gregg wrote: »

If anyone has info on the organised buses it would be muchly appreciated. It's sort of a waste to take the car when I'd have nothing else to do up there on Sat.

Free busses are leaving from outside the Forum @ 9am and returning from Dublin @ 4pm. Woman from Waterford on Joe Duffy today giving details.

freewheeler

Deise Tom wrote: »

Do people seriously thinking marching down a few streets shouting OUT, OUT, OUT or whatever will achieve anything.

Yeah lets all just lie down and get screwed for the forseeable future and do nothing...whats wrong in our banana republic is that people aren't angry enough about the way we've been betrayed by FF/green traitors.

AdMMM

I didn't attend the student marches because I knew there'd be trouble (the tipping point seems to be reached much faster when those involved are young) but would consider going to this.

irishrail.ie wrote:

Irish Rail has put in place a special arrangement for a day-return train fare on the 27th
from
Cork, Galway, Mayo, Sligo, Limerick, Waterford and Kerry. A 10% reduction will apply
when tickets are purchased online. This requires use of a special code during the booking
process. The earlier the ticket is purchased the cheaper the fare and the additional 10%
applies once the purchase is made before midnight on the 26th
November. The code to use
is: ICTU1122

Cavehill Red

Deise Tom wrote: »

Do people seriously thinking marching down a few streets shouting OUT, OUT, OUT or whatever will achieve anything.

Ah, sure just stay at home and pay for Anglo Irish bank for the rest of your days.

Sure why would you want to complain in public about that when you'll be able to do it in your cups in your local (if you can afford a pint) the rest of your livelong days?

dayshah

Deise Tom wrote: »

Do people seriously thinking marching down a few streets shouting OUT, OUT, OUT or whatever will achieve anything.

Yes

1) I want an election NOW!!!

2) If we show the world we aren't a complete pushover it improves our bargaining position. So we can negotiate a lower interest rate with the IMF, and ditch the bank bondholders.

3) I'm getting the impression it will be a good atmosphere, sort of like going to a Munster Final. It makes me think of the song 'On the one road'.

ziedth

Personally,

I wouldn't be so sure about the atmosphere(But I hope it is good), allot of anger out there ATM.

It basically comes down to the number/influence of the feckers who are only looking for trouble.

I'm sure like any big protest there will be an incident with one or two but I genuinely hope there isn't any significant trouble cause like what was said it ruins the whole message.

brendansmith

Deise Tom wrote: »

Do people seriously thinking marching down a few streets shouting OUT, OUT, OUT or whatever will achieve anything.

Real sh1tty attitude tbh.

FF have totally f'ed up and the people of Ireland need to show them that actions or lack thereof have consequences.

If we do nothing the next crowd that get in will be thinking 'Ah well, dosnt matter what we do, no one cares anyway and there was no backlash when the last guys f'ed up'

SillyMcCarthy

I believe that this is an occasion to show this government that
we as a people have had enough of the double standards shown by this government & the favours shown to a wealty minority. We all need to get up there & show how we feel. Maybe we should be a lot more like the French or like all those people & how they reacted to the water rats.
I'll be in Dublin on Saturday to protest!

old gregg

full on agreement with Silly and Brendan and folks attending.

At a more superficial level I'm guessing the protest will be covered by many European tv networks in countries who are now laughing their asses off at the Irish who were unable to govern themselves through a boom. I'd like those people to see that there are large numbers of Irish people who will not benefit from a bailout and who are being expected to carry the can for the thieving actions of their government.

golly that felt good, I feel all warm and fluffy now

dayshah

ziedth wrote: »

It basically comes down to the number/influence of the feckers who are only looking for trouble.

From today's Irish Times:

Mr Begg said the march and rally would be a family-friendly event which would be peaceful, good humoured and very well stewarded.


Those taking part will assemble at 11.30am on Winetavern Street, Dublin and proceed along the north quays to the GPO on O’Connell Street where a rally will take place. There will be a programme of entertainment and speeches for about one hour. The master of ceremonies will be Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toole and artists such as Christy Moore and Frances Black will perform.

I think they have an eye as to what happened at the student protest, so will have lots of people on hand to direct the crowds.

No disrespect to the student protest, but the student leadership is relatively inexperienced at organising marches (because they rotate their leadership almost every year), but ICTU have been at it for years. I never heard of one of their marches turning ugly, and they had a few in Waterford over the past 2 years.

dayshah

old gregg wrote: »

At a more superficial level I'm guessing the protest will be covered by many European tv networks in countries who are now laughing their asses off at the Irish who were unable to govern themselves through a boom.

Any ideas for funny slogans for the TV?

Something like, 'I don't want cheese in my blaa!!!'. Something funny*, but Waterford specific.

*Not that I consider my phrase particularly funny.

old gregg

that's not too bad dayshah

I could go with 'Irlande nil pois' and try and bag some sympathy in advance of next year's eurovision

ODriscoll

Deise Tom wrote: »

Do people seriously thinking marching down a few streets shouting OUT, OUT, OUT or whatever will achieve anything.

The pensioners showed that you seriously can force change. People power can make a coward bully think again. Do you seriously think it is just coincidence that they are the only relatively untouched group in the four year plan.

If the Irish people do not make the politicians tell the Anglo Irish bond holders they will not be paid a cent more by the Irish tax payer, they can have a share in what's left of the exclusive company they helped destroy. We are finished.


This march will be a start to stop the end.

Deise Tom

kildarecommuter wrote: »

It may not achieve anything but not doing anything will certainly not help. My theory is there plans for last few years didnt work so this one wont either. If a big crowd turn out it may make them reconsider how they are doing it.
I know we are all going to pay but i just dont trustFF to plan anything at this stage

Why bother going so. Thats whats wrong with this country, we are too influenced by a few fools who think that protests are some sort of correct way to do things. If these people feel so stongly about what is happening they can do things other ways, ways that will not run the risk of anything stupid happening on the streets. The simplest way of protesting if you want to is to make your way to your local polling station on election day and cast your vote for those you you feel can do a better job in government that we are seeing at the momemnt if such a group does exist. Also i feel that many of those that will make their way to Dublin on Saturday morning will be ones that did not cast a vote in the 2007 General Election and if they did not bother to cast a vote for whatever canditate, i and many other would feel the same way, these people dont have a valid reason to protest now.

nkay1985

Lots of people testing into Newstalk's breakfast show saying they're angry and would like to protest but won't do it under a Union banner.

And don't be under any illusion that this march will be the cause if we do burn the bondholders; it's been looking more and more likely as the week wears on. There's a feeling that Angela Merkel basically encouraged it in a speech last night or the night before and senior mainstream economists are now coming round to the idea but I'm sure the unions will claim credit for it if it happens.

jonnyfingers

The unions are a large part of what's wrong with this country. While I believe in the ideas of Unions and the protection of workers' rights deals like the Croke Park agreement really have taken things too far.

I will not be protesting under their banner specifically but I would like to take part in a general protest with the rest of the Irish people.

dayshah

Deise Tom wrote: »

The simplest way of protesting if you want to is to make your way to your local polling station on election day and cast your vote for those you you feel can do a better job in government that we are seeing at the momemnt if such a group does exist.

I want an election NOW!!! Not January, not February, NOW!!!

Why did they not hold the by-elections? Why are they making a four year plan, when we have an election in 18 months at the very latest (and the Greens will make it earlier).

If I'm going to be paying for a plan, I want to vote on it, NOW!!!

The government have been clinging onto power. I want to march so that I can have that election, NOW!!!

Deise Tom

dayshah wrote: »

I want an election NOW!!! Not January, not February, NOW!!!

Why did they not hold the by-elections? Why are they making a four year plan, when we have an election in 18 months at the very latest (and the Greens will make it earlier).

If I'm going to be paying for a plan, I want to vote on it, NOW!!!

The government have been clinging onto power. I want to march so that I can have that election, NOW!!!

Wanting an election now wont be achieved by taking to the streets.

dayshah

Deise Tom wrote: »

Wanting an election now wont be achieved by taking to the streets.

Well, in 50 years time when the child sitting on my knee looks up to me and says,
'Grandaddy, what did you do to stop me living a life of debt and bondage',
I won't have say
'I stayed at home and ate my cheese'.

Tragamin2k2

MoodRacer wrote: »

Free busses are leaving from outside the Forum @ 9am and returning from Dublin @ 4pm. Woman from Waterford on Joe Duffy today giving details.

Anyone have any more details on this? is it for def?

dayshah

Tragamin2k2 wrote: »

Anyone have any more details on this? is it for def?

I don't know for def, but SIPTU's offices are by the Glen, so it seems to make sense.

dazftw

So tempted to drive up in the morning Always wanted to take photos at a protest like this..

With the motorway you would be up and down in no time especially with Saturday traffic.