Time for Cowen and Kenny to go?

johnnyrotten

So it looks like we are looking at lamppost decorations after Christmas now with the Greens statment and Jackie Healy Rae jumping on the bandwagon.
In light of this is it time for Brian Cowen and Enda Kenny to go and keave space for new leadership in both parties?

ADDED:

I m getting a bit of stick here: I do not support either FF or FG . I just feel both party leader are jaded and new blood is needed. Thanks

Kristopherus

Cowen, yes. But can anyone explain in common English, what is so wrong with Kenny?

seamus

Why would Enda Kenny go? He is poised to take one of the largest Government majorities that FG have seen since 1982.

In fact, he's poised to head the largest non-FF coalition Government that this country has ever seen, as far as I can tell.

He'll be considered a hero by FGers.

johnnyrotten

Kristopherus wrote: »

Cowen, yes. But can anyone explain in common English, what is so wrong with Kenny?

Gob****e with the charisma of a wooden plank

Cowen can't stay, I'd say he'll be removed before the election. But there's not a chance in hell Kenny is going anywhere.

johnnyrotten

seamus wrote: »

Why would Enda Kenny go? He is poised to take one of the largest Government majorities that FG have seen since 1982.

I think Fine Gael will only do well if they rid themselves of Kenny, He has been the main opposition leader for the duration of the downturn and has never once come up with any decent ideas to challenge the current government.

flynnlives

a tactic by FF apologists to spread the **** far and wide.

Cowen to go.

Kristopherus

Where have you been for the last 10 yrs? Have a look at the FG website & download their policy documents.I'm no fan of Kenny or FG, but I believe Kenny has been the subject of a perception that he is a muppet when it comes to economic areas, but he is certainly no worse than the muppets that have already ruined the country. There must be a thousand posts in these fora that are critical of Kenny, but nobody has ever said what is so wrong with him that he should'nt lead the next government.

jmayo

johnnyrotten wrote: »

So it looks like we are looking at lamppost decorations after Christmas now with the Greens statment and Jackie Healy Rae jumping on the bandwagon.
In light of this is it time for Brian Cowen and Enda Kenny to go and keave space for new leadership in both parties?

Ah the ff spin machine.

Why should Kenny resign ?
I don't remember him running the country into the ground and selling out control of our economic ? :rolleyes:

Oh wait maybe it is because people decide they would rather vote for ff even though they already knew ff were corrupt liars clogging up numerous tribunals and had subverted the economy for their own supporters benefit.

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Gob****e with the charisma of a wooden plank

Ah yes let me guess you voted for mr charisma bertie ahern ?
See where that got us :rolleyes:

Sulmac

Kenny is one of the Vice-Presidents of the European People's Party (of which Sarkozy and Merkel's parties are members), so he must be doing something right.

I think he'll make a good chairman of what will most likely be a Fine Gael-Labour coalition after the next general election, similar to John Bruton (although perhaps without the cringe worthy moments around British royalty!).

Cowen on the other hand is a joke, and should resign. That said, it'll take a lot more than a change of leadership to save Fianna Fáil - as if it's worth saving at all.

ednwireland

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Gob****e with the charisma of a wooden plank

considering where berties "charisma" got us this might not be a bad thing !

ha jmayo beat me to it !

Plowman

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heybaby

The budget meant for the first week in december will be delayed because it will not be passed, with a general election taking place before christmas and a new enda kenny lead fg /labour coalition. Independents like Lowry and Healey-Rae will no longer hold the balance of power as they will not be needed when the numbers stack up post election.

jank

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Gob****e with the charisma of a wooden plank

Bertie had "charisma".... that worked out well!:rolleyes:

Corsendonk

Kristopherus wrote: »

Cowen, yes. But can anyone explain in common English, what is so wrong with Kenny?

Kenny bores people, the guy just doesnt come over in the media as having a personality. He represents old politics too, with taking over his seat after Daddy like Cowan.

Kenny is a career politician with little experience of the outside world, his only real outside poltics job was primary school teacher and no one even remembers him doing that. He is a very good party organiser who made it to leader in bad times for FG but he should have stepped down before his obsession with becoming the first Taoiseach from Mayo got in the way of the best interests of FG.

If he does become Taoiseach I hope he puts the best interests of the nation first and not start wasting government funding on silly parish pump politics schemes in Mayo.

d'Oracle

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Gob****e with the charisma of a wooden plank

WHEN did Charisma become of any importance at all?
Why does every facet of Irish life have to be so drenched in this faux american bull****? Where its more important to be a quality motivational speaker than to get the stuff done?

Our country is in the ****. We need actions and any potential leader needs to ensure actions get done. This does not involve perceived charisma.

This country is screwed either way if this is even an argument.

foggy_lad

jank wrote: »

Bertie had "charisma".... that worked out well!:rolleyes:

I thought he had a Merc like the rest of Fianna Failed?

There is Nothing wrong with Enda Kenny, He may come across as sleepy stale or boring but has a brilliant grasp of the Irish economic situation and may be able to undo a lot of the Damage done by the current government.

thebaldsoprano

seamus wrote: »

Why would Enda Kenny go? He is poised to take one of the largest Government majorities that FG have seen since 1982.

FG/LAB were meant to win the last election, too. While FF are very unlikely to pull something out of the hat this time, if I was an FG supporter I'd be worried about being the junior coalition partner given that Gilmore is far more popular than Kenny.

SB-08

No way will Kenny be going anywhere - he will be delighted now. He should have gone with the heave - the majority of how own TD's voted against him - he is almost as unpopular as Clowen, and his clear lack of knowledge regarding the economy is shocking. We need someone who is extremly competent, someone who can give confidence to the country and the markets. His is a very poor communicator and after that gob****e Clowen we can't have another person who the public are dismayed by. If someone like Brian Hayes or Leo Varadkar were leader FG would easily get a majority in the election and now have to worry about Labour who are only way ahead due to Gilmore being such a strong communicator. The one good thing about Kenny is that he seems like an honest man so that at least will be a big change. He won't lie or mislead us.

Kenny is the next leader of this country - it will be a coalition with Labour but I just hope Joan Burton isn't the next Finance Minister. Noonan or Richard Bruton will get it hopefully - or if it does have to be Labour give it to Ruairi Quinn (great former Finance Minister) or Pat Rabbitte.

With regard to FF leader - it is irrelevant. They will be wiped out come the election. It may not be quite as bad if someone like Michael Martin leads them but they will still be wiped out. It just won't to the extent as it's going to be if EITHER of the Brians lead the party.

johnnyrotten

jmayo wrote: »

Ah the ff spin machine.

Why should Kenny resign ?
I don't remember him running the country into the ground and selling out control of our economic ? :rolleyes:

Oh wait maybe it is because people decide they would rather vote for ff even though they already knew ff were corrupt liars clogging up numerous tribunals and had subverted the economy for their own supporters benefit.




Ah yes let me guess you voted for mr charisma bertie ahern ?
See where that got us :rolleyes:

I m getting a bit of stick here: I do not support either FF or FG . I just feel both party leaders are jaded and new blood is needed. So to clarify things I am not a Fianna Fail supporter, never have been, I do not support either party. And BTW even if I was, Bertie is not in my Constituency, so i could'nt vote for him

meglome

johnnyrotten wrote: »

I think Fine Gael will only do well if they rid themselves of Kenny, He has been the main opposition leader for the duration of the downturn and has never once come up with any decent ideas to challenge the current government.

It' is a pity but the electorate don't like Kenny so if FG are serious about this election he'll have to go. Not a bad politician at all but just doesn't connect with the public.

simonj

johnnyrotten wrote: »

So it looks like we are looking at lamppost decorations after Christmas now with the Greens statment and Jackie Healy Rae jumping on the bandwagon.
In light of this is it time for Brian Cowen and Enda Kenny to go and keave space for new leadership in both parties?

ADDED:

I m getting a bit of stick here: I do not support either FF or FG . I just feel both party leader are jaded and new blood is needed. Thanks

It's not just a question of new leadership that is required to fix things, we need a new type of politics.

Enda Kenny and Brian Cowan were both elected first in by elections following the death's of their fathers.

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are two cheeks of the one arse.

The only real difference between the parties is 1922.

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are happy with the status quo, the perpetuation of a two party system.

Should FG lead the next government they will be so constrained by IMF conditions they will not be able to instigate real change. The political reform they speak of in their New Era policy document is a watered down version of selected Amhran Nua policies, and still does not address the problem created by our outdated constituancy system.

FG have no intention of reforming a failed political system, based on 19th cen. political theory that is no longer suitable for purpose in the 21st cen, but it suits them.

FG's policies do not offer real job creation, the emphasis on multinational corporations will still create imbalance in the economy - and it is the same with Labour.

For example FG lost George Lee because their economic policies are not the change we need, they are still too concerned with parliamentary power.

We need, urgently, political reform, constitutional reform and economic reform.

None of the main parties have realistic policies to do that.

P. Breathnach

foggy_lad wrote: »

... There is Nothing wrong with Enda Kenny, He may come across as sleepy stale or boring but has a brilliant grasp of the Irish economic situation ....

I suspect that even Enda would not agree with that.

Leiva

FG with Leo Varadkar at the helm looks allot more attractive .

FG are currently popular by default .

They should be out of sight now which they are not , this is a true reflection on Kenny been a failure .

FG have some of the best young politicians but need to break free and become "new FG" .

M

almighty1

Kenny is a gombeen. I dread the day he will become our Taoiseach.

According to Vincent Browne he doesnt have a clue about economics and is constantly bamboozled by straight forward queries on the economy.

I wont be voting FG and Kenny is the main reason why.

johnnyrotten

almighty1 wrote: »

Kenny is a gombeen. I dread the day he will become our Taoiseach.

According to Vincent Browne he doesnt have a clue about economics and is constantly bamboozled by straight forward queries on the economy.

I wont be voting FG and Kenny is the main reason why.

+1

simonj

mixednuts wrote: »

FG with Leo Varadkar at the helm looks allot more attractive .

FG are currently popular by default .

They should be out of sight now which they are not , this is a true reflection on Kenny been a failure .

FG have some of the best young politicians but need to break free and become "new FG" .

M

Varadkar, Varadkar, Varadkar :rolleyes:- like an Irish Obama for a lot of new FG people.

But they did try try to break free in the failed 'heave' against Kenny, the young turks.

The result was the old guard came to the fore, and the young turks will be sent to the back benches in a new government.

The only reason the heavers are still front bench is because of our broken electorial system.

They need Coveney to be high profile to secure the seat in Cork, ditto Varadker in Dublin.

Varadker and the others stated they had no confidence in Kenny after one poor opinion poll result, they paniced, but the outcome was to put party first and put up a show of support, like FF would do.

Lucinda Creighton, a very able public representitive, may not stand in the next election and George Lee left because FG are fragmented, and have no real idea where to go or what to do.

FF/FG, two cheeks of the one arse - if the electorate want change, vote for something other than the perpetuation of a two party system

jmayo

Corsendonk wrote: »

Kenny bores people, the guy just doesnt come over in the media as having a personality. He represents old politics too, with taking over his seat after Daddy like Cowan.

Kenny is a career politician with little experience of the outside world, his only real outside poltics job was primary school teacher and no one even remembers him doing that. He is a very good party organiser who made it to leader in bad times for FG but he should have stepped down before his obsession with becoming the first Taoiseach from Mayo got in the way of the best interests of FG.

Has anyone ever thought that one of the things this country will need is someone who is a good organiser, someone who will try and organise us out of the quagmire ?
If you want some Obamesque leader forget it and that myth has actually been shown up in the states anyway.

Corsendonk wrote: »

If he does become Taoiseach I hope he puts the best interests of the nation first and not start wasting government funding on silly parish pump politics schemes in Mayo.

Don't worry on that score, there is no funding to go on schemes anywhere. :rolleyes:

johnnyrotten wrote: »

I m getting a bit of stick here: I do not support either FF or FG . I just feel both party leaders are jaded and new blood is needed. So to clarify things I am not a Fianna Fail supporter, never have been, I do not support either party. And BTW even if I was, Bertie is not in my Constituency, so i could'nt vote for him

Ah but if you voted ff then you indirectly voted for bertie as taoiseach.
He was head of the party that all ff candidates backed as their leader, thus you were backing him by backing them.

meglome wrote: »

It' is a pity but the electorate don't like Kenny so if FG are serious about this election he'll have to go. Not a bad politician at all but just doesn't connect with the public.

Yeah great FG will decide to get rid of their leader a few weeks before election. :rolleyes:
Perhaps you would like them to have a phone poll and we can have an X-factor finale ? :rolleyes:

simonj wrote: »

Varadkar, Varadkar, Varadkar :rolleyes:- like an Irish Obama for a lot of new FG people.

But they did try try to break free in the failed 'heave' against Kenny, the young turks.

The result was the old guard came to the fore, and the young turks will be sent to the back benches in a new government.

The only reason the heavers are still front bench is because of our broken electorial system.

They need Coveney to be high profile to secure the seat in Cork, ditto Varadker in Dublin.

Varadker and the others stated they had no confidence in Kenny after one poor opinion poll result, they paniced, but the outcome was to put party first and put up a show of support, like FF would do.

Exactly they panicked and these are the types that some want as the leading light sof a new government. :rolleyes:

simonj wrote: »

Lucinda Creighton, a very able public representitive, may not stand in the next election and George Lee left because FG are fragmented, and have no real idea where to go or what to do.

FF/FG, two cheeks of the one arse - if the electorate want change, vote for something other than the perpetuation of a two party system

It is marvellous how people suddenly become interested in politics when the sh** hits the fan.
The reason I am saying this is because some of your pronoucements are pretty good, but you then follow them with drivel about cretin and lee which shows really how little you know about these individuals.
creitin is a self seeking ambitious eejit who has been shown up a few times as basically not being that good.

george lee actually left because, guess what, the great white hope himself Richar Bruton did not want him involved.

Also Lee was an eejit who thought becuase he was a big fish in RTE where everyone was runnign after him the same would be true of FG.
He learned much like his compatriot charlie bird that there is big world out there and the sun doesn't shine out of their ar**es. :rolleyes:

Who is the party you would recommend us vote for ?

johnnyrotten

@jmayo
Where did I say i voted for FF?

Revolution9

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Gob****e with the charisma of a wooden plank

He's a politician not a comedian, why should charisma be an issue?

aidan24326

simonj wrote: »

The result was the old guard came to the fore, and the young turks will be sent to the back benches in a new government.

The thought of Michael Noonan as finance minister is by itself a good reason not to vote FG. If it's old failures like him that are the best 'talent' on offer in FG it's a sad state of affairs.

They need Coveney to be high profile to secure the seat in Cork, ditto Varadker in Dublin.

You've hit on something here that is undoubtedly a problem. When they're having cabinet reshuffles and the like, appointments are often made on geohraphical vote-grabbing grounds rather than appointing the best person.

Varadker and the others stated they had no confidence in Kenny after one poor opinion poll result

I doubt it was because of just one opinion poll in fairness. The public has never taken to Enda Kenny for whatever reason, he just doesn't inspire any confidence.