VW to spend €51.6 billion on car divison

Leonard Hofstadter

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/254242/

€27.7 billion is to be spent on developing new cars.

I hope the remaining €23.9 billion is spent on making cars that will last more than a few hundred miles without developing an expensive-to-repair fault, as we know modern VWs are built really badly.

Then again, given VW's arrogance, I suspect they won't bother. VW buyers as we know are easily deceived by silicone damped grab handles, a few plastics and of course the badge on the bonnet(they are even worse than Toyota owners in the delusional stakes) so I doubt it that VW will see the point in bothering to build cars properly.

After all they haven't bothered building cars properly for about 15 years at this stage and their sales are still very strong both here and elsewhere in Europe. It never fails to amaze me how much a car company can get away with producing junk simply by having the 'right' badge.

Ian Beale

My gut feeling is telling me you don't like VW.
Still if it creates jobs or even gives a garage in ireland a few extra sales with new cars then that's a bit of good news.

Nonoperational

What a completely idiotic original post. It doesn't even deserve a response.

Leonard Hofstadter

Oh dear, have I upset a few VW owners:)?

I'm sorry if I've upset the cozy consensus that a car is automatically better simply because it has a VW or Audi badge on the bonnet. I do like cars that work and I'm not bothered at all by the badge. Silicone damped grab handles are obviously even more effective than I acknowledged! I really like the Skoda Superb though(definitely one of the best cars in the category, actually if you're not bothered by the looks it probably is the best family car on sale), just goes to show even VW have their uses at times !

johndaman66

captainspeed wrote: »

I hope the remaining €23.9 billion is spent on making cars that will last more than a few hundred miles without developing an expensive-to-repair fault, as we know modern VWs are built really badly.

Or they might just as readily concentrate their efforts on ensuring their cars develop further niggly, silly problems that are outside the scope of non franchised dealers to repair. They might want to concentrate on developing more frugal engines also. I know a girl with a 2.0 TDI Passat and shes tormented from putting fuel into it.

I hear you on the certain arrogance of VW owners. At one stage every second person wanted a tiddly diddly i Golf or Passat. What the hell was that all about I used to be asking myself. A small bit unfair to draw comparisons between VW and Toyota...The Toyota are a superior car to be fair.

spank_inferno

the investment is probably needed.
The market knows now that if you want a well built, reliable VW you just head to your nearest Skoda dealer.

Nonoperational

Sigh.... I wouldn't want to upset your cozy consensus that a car is automatically worse because it has a VW or Audi badge on the bonnet, so have your moment, enjoy it.

johndaman66

captainspeed wrote: »

Oh dear, have I upset a few VW owners:)?

I reckon it would appear to be the case!

MetzgerMeister

spank_inferno wrote: »

The market knows now that if you want a well built, reliable VW you just head to your nearest Skoda dealer.

Didn't VW themselves even go so far as to admit that Skoda build better cars than them?

GTE

Oh god.

The anti VW bandwagon that the OP and at least one other poster are proudly mounted on is at least as big and as nonsensical as the bandwagon who are brand loyal to VW.

It doesnt make sense to give out about every VW/other brand owner and it doesnt make sense for someone who had a VW/other brand from day one to get another based on that fact.

Both of these groups use generalisations to try and prove their points and justify their existence. None of them can make an argument with out saying "'x' is crap", "every 'x' is bought by an idiot", " 'x' are the best cars in the world". I am sure now that these comments will disappear and be replaced by, on the face of it, fairer comments but I dont think they will be routed in fairness.

Now, although I dont really think the brand loyalty route is always the best way to go to get a good car I sure as hell think the people who insult that group are worse.

If you dont show off or care about your badge that is great, I dont. The only reason I have a VW is because for the price I had and the selection of cars I had to look for it was the best car to get. I dont believe that now, 10 years on from when my car was built, they are still the best new car.

But you do show off something OP. The people like the OP who sit proudly on their office chair, behind their keyboard with a mindset that a boards.ie username means their opinion is number one, regardless of anyone else, shoving the views down peoples bandwidth with no regard for a fair debate are no better then the ones with that three pointed star who demand you get out of their way on every occasion, then the people who buy Toyota and VW on the distantly routed and now obsolete opinion that they never break down or people who feel its right to bully people out of the way on roads so they can go on doing some multiple of the speed limit.

murphyebass

wow op thats some serious generalisation!!!

That said I did own a passat and that gave me every problem under the sun from dodgy window regulators to the car letting water in flooding at the footwell which has the ECU under it no less :eek:

Personally I'd never buy another VW after the experience I had.

I moved from a passat to an '04 Mazda 6, great car, 2ltr petrol engine so was strong...

But I grew bored of it after 3 months and changed to an Alfa GT.

I expected problems after hearing people like you generalise about how poor alfa's reliability was but so far after a year of ownership nothing major to report thankfully.

And yes I'd buy another alfa. The 159 is on the cards once kids come along me thinks.

BrianD3

I'm no VW fan but the original post is exaggerated bullsh*t. The comment about expensive faults every few hundred miles is laughable. Where's your evidence that VWs are "junk"?

VW have been doing very well in the ADAC reliability stats. For those that don't know, the ADAC is a German equivalent of our AA except the ADAC is superior. They do independent research on crash safety and on reliability with the latter being based on actual callouts. VW do well and some makes that know-nothings in this forum constantly recommend such as Ford and Honda have been doing badly.

The Golf has also recently done very well in the Auto Express reliability/satisfaction survey. While this may not be a particularly scientific survey due to being self reported, it's still better than pub talk bullcrap.

-Chris-

captainspeed wrote: »

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/254242/

€27.7 billion is to be spent on developing new cars.

I hope the remaining €23.9 billion is spent on making cars that will last more than a few hundred miles without developing an expensive-to-repair fault, as we know modern VWs are built really badly.

Then again, given VW's arrogance, I suspect they won't bother. VW buyers as we know are easily deceived by silicone damped grab handles, a few plastics and of course the badge on the bonnet(they are even worse than Toyota owners in the delusional stakes) so I doubt it that VW will see the point in bothering to build cars properly.

After all they haven't bothered building cars properly for about 15 years at this stage and their sales are still very strong both here and elsewhere in Europe. It never fails to amaze me how much a car company can get away with producing junk simply by having the 'right' badge.

Wow, nice rant!

Is there a question in there at all or should I just have locked the thread after the first post?

Armin_Tamzarian

I've owned a couple of diesel VWs and Audis and I was very happy with them.
Never had any problems.