Awards Night for CI

morana

I know some of the members of CI post here but it was excellent in Athlone last night.

Roche was fantatsic very entertaining and Declan Quigley did a great job MCing the event. 3 world champs present..fantastic..

Caroline_ie

morana wrote: »

I know some of the members of CI post here but it was excellent in Athlone last night.

Roche was fantatsic very entertaining and Declan Quigley did a great job MCing the event. 3 world champs present..fantastic..

any results from the votes ?

The tax man

Caroline_ie wrote: »

any results from the votes ?

Some results on the club forum Caroline.

Slideshowbob

The "club" forum?????

That would be which "club" forum for the non initiated here !?? :rolleyes:

Junior

Slideshowbob wrote: »

The "club" forum?????

That would be which "club" forum for the non initiated here !?? :rolleyes:

Give it a rest would you ?

DirkVoodoo

Slideshowbob wrote: »

The "club" forum?????

That would be which "club" forum for the non initiated here !?? :rolleyes:

The first rule about the club forum is you don't mention the name of the club forum.

Your initiation will involve paddles.

Big ones.

Slideshowbob

Junior wrote: »

Give it a rest would you ?

More click cronyism on410. Reminds me of the two brians yesterday. "shush and say nothing"

Beasty

Junior wrote: »

Give it a rest would you ?

May I request you do the same Junior - there was nothing wrong with SSB's request, but if you do have a problem with a post, report it

Thanks

Beasty

Slideshowbob

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

The first rule about the club forum is you don't mention the name of the club forum.

Your initiation will involve paddles.

Big ones.

Where can I sign up?

DirkVoodoo

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Where can I sign up?

It doesn't quite work that way. You have to put an ad on the adverts forum saying "Wanted:Pair of white Briko Stingers", wait for a PM'd reply suggesting a meeting place (this is the secret meeting place, do not reveal the location!). Your contact will look something like this:



He will guide you through the rest of the initiation.

RobFowl

Junior wrote: »

Give it a rest would you ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhFwLjsQug

Lumen

If there must be moaning it might make sense to direct it at the CI website where the results are nowhere to be found.

morana

Fair shout but we were in the hotel until late yesterday afternoon at a youth commission meeting so I expect we will have them up there today.

From memory

Volunteer of the year Val Considine (womens comm)
Rider of the year Nico (ravens)
Best domestic rider Orla Hendron
Club - Cuchulainn

morana

just remembered bursary was shared by Irvine, English and Lavery...not the aul fella!!!

The Crunch

Donal Bailey won Male Domestic Rider of the Year, Ras na mBan won Best Competitive event, Tour of Louth won Best Leisure event and Anto Moran won Best Awards Presentation Grip and Grin.

Caroline_ie

The Crunch wrote: »

Donal Bailey won Male Domestic Rider of the Year, Ras na mBan won Best Competitive event, Tour of Louth won Best Leisure event and Anto Moran won Best Awards Presentation Grip and Grin.

well done guys ... I know some of you read this :P

marcofan

who is donal bailey and what did he win?

Caroline_ie

marcofan wrote: »

who is donal bailey and what did he win?

He's a talented young track cyclist. Met him at the national team sprint champs and he has very big thighs ...

marcofan

i am sure he can be very good and is talented but it seems wrong that he wins cyclist of the year. I think its done on the internet vote surely it should be selected by a committee, i think something similar happened last year

Slideshowbob

never heard of him but fair play to him:D

big thighs can swing it alright

Slideshowbob

Was wondering if this Donal fellow winning domestic rider of the year was an in-joke here on Boards but apparently it's true:

http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_5317.shtml

Can I be so bold as to ask if there a viral web campaign by the Orwell Wheelers?

Fair play to the chap but I follow domestic results, never heard of him til this weekend.

The Crunch

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Was wondering if this Donal fellow winning domestic rider of the year was an in-joke here on Boards but apparently it's true:

http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_5317.shtml

Can I be so bold as to ask if there a viral web campaign by the Orwell Wheelers?

Fair play to the chap but I follow domestic results, never heard of him til this weekend.

A viral campaign!?... Perish the thought! If there was, then Orwell as the biggest club would have won club of the year...
Donal Bailey set a new 200m track record this year in his first year of competition. He lacks racing experience but is a real talent.

Beasty

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Can I be so bold as to ask if there a viral web campaign by the Orwell Wheelers?

No more digs at Orwell Slideshowbob

Thanks

Beasty

Billy Whizz

I don't think there's any doubt that this was the result of a viral campaign.

I know the lad reasonably well and he is a very nice guy so I certainly don't mean him any harm but I think it's fair to say that the online voting system has rendered this award a farce.

I hope none of the members of Orwell on here will take this the wrong way, but I actually feel sorry for Donal. As an up and coming cyclist I think it's a tremendous burden for him, especially since very few people have ever heard of him. Perhaps he doesn't care, I don't know, but I couldn't help thinking it might be a bit embarrasing.

Slideshowbob

Billy,

I was getting at that aswell above, wasnt having a dig at Orwell, it was a genuine comment on what I could see

Lumen

Any democratic system is subject to block voting issues. The problem with internet voting is that it's much more convenient, particularly when you can just copy/paste some text.

I say down with convenience. We should have to walk to the top of Shay Elliot (or somewhere rural and really far away from Joe Daly's, like the Phoenix Park) in our cleats and chisel our votes into a stone tablet with our teeth.

morana

as the resident board member I would be happy to put forward any ideas that the contributors here might have to the rest of the board!

These awards were put in place a few years ago and are very much in their infancy and we hope to refine them next year along with the bursary award. We have some ideas but shout there if you have anything in mind that might improve it.....

We do listen you know!

DirkVoodoo

Sorry, is it wrong for people from a club to vote for one of their members if they are nominated? Surely if you are laying blame it as at the nominations committee for placing "burden" on the lad.

Would you blame all the english premier league players if they decided to vote for an english player, say Wayne Rooney, as the player of the year?

Sr. Assumpta

Lumen wrote: »

Any democratic system is subject to block voting issues. The problem with internet voting is that it's much more convenient, particularly when you can just copy/paste some text.

I say down with convenience. We should have to walk to the top of Shay Elliot (or somewhere rural and really far away from Joe Daly's, like the Phoenix Park) in our cleats and chisel our votes into a stone tablet with our teeth.

I'd keep stone tablets away from my mouth if I were you Lumen, lotta calcium in those babies.................

morana

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Sorry, is it wrong for people from a club to vote for one of their members if they are nominated? Surely if you are laying blame it as at the nominations committee for placing "burden" on the lad.

Would you blame all the english premier league players if they decided to vote for an english player, say Wayne Rooney, as the player of the year?

BTW our rethink of the system has nothing to do with Don Bailey winning!

manwithaplan

I am going to conduct a vote on the greatest viral rigging of an online poll.

Oh wait...

Junior

Why don't CI divide it into two, i.e nominations, a commiteeeeeeeeeeee then makes selections for the category, and opens the selection to public voting.

DirkVoodoo

morana wrote: »

BTW our rethink of the system has nothing to do with Don Bailey winning!

Oh I know, sorry that came out wrong. What I was trying to say is that the justification as to who merits nomination doesn't rest with the club. If a committee from Cycling Ireland feel that person x or y is more deserving of a place, then that is theirs to decide.

My point was that you cannot level blame at a club because they vote for their own members. Would I vote for Donal Bailey because he is in Orwell? Yes, that's just the nature of a club I guess and there is nothing wrong with it. To suggest it is somehow subversive or "rigging" the vote is not fair.

mtbireland

No easy solution to this... it is obvious though from the past two years that some of the awards are a total farce. I think the best option is to have the commissions and the boards do it as was the case in previous years... the biggest problem with online voting is that there has been in the past and very publicly done campaigns by clubs to win awards. I don't think this was as bad this year as it was last year though.

Slideshowbob

Scribe Thomas Campbell has also queried the validity of the poll!! :

http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_5322.shtml

Lumen

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Scribe Thomas Campbell has also queried the validity of the poll!! :

http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_5322.shtml

There is nothing invalid about the poll - it reflects the votes of the people who voted. Don't ask a question if you don't want to know the answer.

I would agree that the process is subject to organised voting - this is common knowledge as others have posted.

There are lots of obvious solutions:

- Don't allow people to vote for those in their own clubs

- Restrict votes to multiple-choice based on a set list of candidates put together by the committee (or whatever)

- Introduce a couple of "Fred's choice" categories and contain the democracy in those.

- Go for a full-on X-Factor elimination process, televised on Youtube and running for several hours a day over the course of eleventy feckin weeks until everyone is completely sick of the noise of the stupid audience screaming, mock politics between judges and absurd over-promotion of talentless candidates to the point where domestic tensions are pushing them to the brink of divorce.

manwithaplan

Lumen wrote: »

Go for a full-on X-Factor elimination process, televised on Youtube and running for several hours a day over the course of eleventy feckin weeks until everyone is completely sick of the noise of the stupid audience screaming, mock politics between judges and absurd over-promotion of talentless candidates to the point where domestic tensions are pushing them to the brink of divorce.

So where do you stand on Wagner?

Chips Lovell

I thought that was pretty cowardly from Tommy. If he has a problem with someone winning an award he should come right out and say it rather than slyly alluding to it

RobFowl

el tonto wrote: »

I thought that was pretty cowardly from Tommy. If he has a problem with someone winning an award he should come right out and say it rather than slyly alluding to it

There have been plenty of comments here in the past about Tommys "individual" style of reporting.
Poor form though...