Morgan Kelly was right, rise of the far right

wiseguy

It seems that Marc Coleman (I know we're a fan of him around here), David Quinn (ultra-Pope defender) and John McGuirk (latter-day Libertas bloke - the guy who memorably referred to their candidate Caroline Simons as a "psychotic bitch") have decided to set up a new pseudo-party:

http://nationalalliance.ie/

Seems to be a sort of Irish attempt at a tea party - a mix of hard-right economics and ultra-Catholicism (one aim is keep de wimmin at home makin' the soda bread).

Marc is already over on politics.ie defending this all. Oh, and there's also a open FIanna Failer in the bunch, Christpher O'Toole (who he?) It says something that McGuirk is probably the most credible of the bunch.

P.

source, the propertypin

An Irish Tea-Party? perfect timing with the IMF taking over the show
Not good especially that ex Libertas and Coleman are involved.

mikom

Hope their policies are better than their proof-reading............ http://www.nationalalliance.ie/?page_id=15

Nodin

Hopefully they'll be a minor footnote, like most of the startups.

snubbleste

The key question would be
Do they prefer Barrys or Lyons?

Fo Real

Unlike Nodin who just read "far right" in the title and immediately jumped up onto his soapbox, I actually read through some of the party's proposals on their website. I can't argue with a lot of it. I especially like this following points under reform of politics.

• Multi seat constituencies must be replaced by single seat constituencies, to end endless infighting and clientelism
• The single transferrable voting system must be replaced by a List system of Proportional representation where voters can choose from a national list of candidates selected to provide a diverse range of experience, skills and abilities.
• To ensure effective local representation – and make local government more efficient and effective - local authorities must be reduced in number but increased in size and power.

ArtSmart

apparently they're going to give out free shirts. (black, with a turquoise lining, very spiv) And now that the Pope has approved condom use for prostitutes, they can get into the vice game. Again.

PeterIanStaker

Hopefully these guys'll go the way of Lieberta$$.

We don't need far right politics to further divide society, if anything we need more inclusive policies that emphasise education, exports, job creation. (I am not left wing or a Lab supporter, just have always been big on upskilling and continuous learning)

Giving more power to local authorities - ie town councils? I dont think so.

Fo Real

There have been complaints recently about the dropping standards in the politics forum. Can people please link to the specific points in the party's manifesto that they wish to contest and we can have a debate, rather than the cheap AH style one liners. Thanks.

Fo Real

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Giving more power to local authorities - ie town councils? I dont think so.

So you would prefer to retain the status quo and have TDs in the Dáil address local issues instead?

Nodin

mikom wrote: »

Hope their policies are better than their proof-reading............ http://www.nationalalliance.ie/?page_id=15

Reading this, I have my doubts....

As a pluralist Christian nation......

PeterIanStaker

Fo Real wrote: »

So you would prefer to retain the status quo and have TDs in the Dáil address local issues instead?

No, I would reduce the number of TD's, abolish the Seanad and ensure TD's divide their time between local and national - with more time on national.

Where did I say I wanted to retain the status quo? I explicitly stated I would prefer a more inclusive society, although I know that'll never happen. Sadly it will be easier for people to vote for a party like these Teabaggers because it requires less effort to divide society than unite it.

Fo Real

I was specifically referring to the point where you said you didn't want to grant town councils the power to address local issues. I assumed you therefore wanted things to remain the same where gombeen TDs get elected to the Dáil on the back of local issues.

So which is it - give local authorites more power, as the National Allicance proposes, or keep the current Gombeen system where TDs address local issues??? You can't have it both ways.

PeterIanStaker

I didnt say I wanted to deprive town councils of power, I just wanted to keep their budgets more under control, and direct them into areas like good local roads, libraries, amenities, local business, so you dont have the likes of Heally Rae (a gombeen, don't you know) getting a dual carraigeway for an area with low population density.

Fo Real

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I didnt say I wanted to deprive town councils of power, I just wanted to keep their budgets more under control so you dont have the likes of Heally Rae (a gombeen, don't you know) getting a dual carraigeway for an area with low population density.

Healy-Rae has nothing to do with Town Councils. He is a TD in our national parliament whose main aim is to extract as much of the country's money for himself and the part of South Kerry that he represents.

I've read your past posts in this forum before and you seem like an intelligent fellow. Seriously, read the National Alliance's manifesto on their website http://nationalalliance.ie/

While I wouldn't agree with everything they say, most of it makes sense and is the dose of sanity that we've needed for a long time. A lot of their proposals echo what posters in this forum have been crying out for a long time e.g. the National List system.

PeterIanStaker

Ok I skimmed over it there, few good points, but I still wouldn't give my vote to a party with David Quinn, McGuirk, and conservative religious types in its engine room. Search some more of my posts for how I feel about religion and the damage its done to Ireland. If you really want to get away from gombeenism, then a secular society that doesn't hand education over to the church and doesn't revolve around the parish pump and pulpit is needed.

Thanks for saying I'm an intelligent fellow though:o

ArtSmart

Fo Real wrote: »

Healy-Rae has nothing to do with Town Councils. He is a TD in our national parliament whose main aim is to extract as much of the country's money for himself and the part of South Kerry that he represents.

I've read your past posts in this forum before and you seem like an intelligent fellow. Seriously, read the National Alliance's manifesto on their websitehttp://nationalalliance.ie/

While I wouldn't agree with everything they say, most of it makes sense and is the dose of sanity that we've needed for a long time. A lot of their proposals echo what posters in this forum have been crying out for a long time e.g. the National List system.

any party can list a standard set of four or five reasonable ideas.

Fo Real

It's funny then that Sinn Féin, a truly mickey mouse party, can't list one.

Manach

Whilst I'm naturally inclined to support the conservative religious types, I've an extreme skepticism of local councillers based on personal experience of trying to engage with them over a local issue. So whilst PeterIanStaker has enumerated their core functionalities, it would helpful if they were more engaged with their local communities before granting them any extra domain as National alliance proposes.

jmayo

ArtSmart wrote: »

apparently they're going to give out free shirts. (black, with a turquoise lining, very spiv)

That will make them very popular since ff have given the shirts off our backs to the foriegn bondholders that their banking and developer buddies owe.

Apologies to Fo Real, but it is either try and crack a joke or find a pitchfork to head into kildare street.

Fo Real wrote: »

Healy-Rae has nothing to do with Town Councils. He is a TD in our national parliament whose main aim is to extract as much of the country's money for himself and the part of South Kerry that he represents.

healy rae's son is a County Councillor and his family's business works for the county council.
He has been lobbying for Tralee bypass which is actually a town not in his constituency.