Speeding ticket numbers and revenue generated:

woody33

From the Sunday Times: "Sean Aylward, secretary general of the Department of Justice, previously estimated that a network of speed cameras could result in 0.5m speeding tickets a year, raising €40m in fines."
I wonder how many drivers there are in Ireland, 2 million or so?

cadaliac

We will never know the true cost or profit of this revenue generating excersise while a private company is running the operation.
Also the myth that the company are paid by the hour is just that. A myth. Well, I certainly don't believe all I read in the papers. It's not as if the governmant haven't lied to us before.
So, in my view, the "Sunday Times" can print all the stats they like. I just won't believe any of them.

CiniO

What I find the most radiculous is the fixed charge for speeding no matter how much.
There should be some kind of dependece of charge according to speed.

F.E.

0 km/h - 10km/h above the limit - no penalty.
10km/h - 20km/h above the limit - 20 euros + 1 penalty point
20km/h - 30km/h above the limit - 80 euros + 2 penalty points
30km/h - 40km/h above the limit - 250 euros + 4 penalty points.
40km/h - 50km/h above the limit - 600 euros + 8 penalty points.
more then 50km/h above the limit - obligatory driving ban + penalty in the court.

That would make more sense, then issuing 2 point and 80 euros for anyone speeding no matter is someone is doing 121km/h on motorway, or 200km/h in the town centre.

Mr. Manager

CiniO wrote: »

What I find the most radiculous is the fixed charge for speeding no matter how much.
There should be some kind of dependece of charge according to speed.

F.E.

0 km/h - 10km/h above the limit - no penalty.
10km/h - 20km/h above the limit - 20 euros + 1 penalty point
20km/h - 30km/h above the limit - 80 euros + 2 penalty points
30km/h - 40km/h above the limit - 250 euros + 4 penalty points.
40km/h - 50km/h above the limit - 600 euros + 8 penalty points.
more then 50km/h above the limit - obligatory driving ban + penalty in the court.

That would make more sense, then issuing 2 point and 80 euros for anyone speeding no matter is someone is doing 121km/h on motorway, or 200km/h in the town centre.

Speeding is speeding. No matter how over the limit you were going.

There certainly should not be a "no penalty option"

- This is coming from someone who has 6 points on their license in case you think I'm mounting a high horse of some sort.

Cookie_Monster

I doubt we'll even see proper stats now that its privately run "commercial sensitivity" and all that

slimjimmc

CiniO wrote: »

What I find the most radiculous is the fixed charge for speeding no matter how much.
There should be some kind of dependece of charge according to speed.

F.E.

0 km/h - 10km/h above the limit - no penalty.
10km/h - 20km/h above the limit - 20 euros + 1 penalty point
20km/h - 30km/h above the limit - 80 euros + 2 penalty points
30km/h - 40km/h above the limit - 250 euros + 4 penalty points.
40km/h - 50km/h above the limit - 600 euros + 8 penalty points.
more then 50km/h above the limit - obligatory driving ban + penalty in the court.

That would make more sense, then issuing 2 point and 80 euros for anyone speeding no matter is someone is doing 121km/h on motorway, or 200km/h in the town centre.

If you drive at a speed that is way over the limit you're into careless/dangerous driving territory, both of which are mandatory court appearances. People generally receive higher fines, bans or even prison sentences for such things so it's not correct to say the penalty is the same regardless of speed or situation.

CiniO

slimjimmc wrote: »

If you drive at a speed that is way over the limit you're into careless/dangerous driving territory, both of which are mandatory court appearances. People generally receive higher fines, bans or even prison sentences for such things so it's not correct to say the penalty is the same regardless of speed or situation.

I was told on that forum, that it's not the case with speed cameras.
Is it true though - I don't know.

CiniO

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Speeding is speeding. No matter how over the limit you were going.

I don't agree.
Speeding is something you can measure.
Are you trying to tell me, that someone exceeding speed limit by 1km/h is causing the same danger as someone exceeding it by 80km/h ?

There certainly should not be a "no penalty option"

- This is coming from someone who has 6 points on their license in case you think I'm mounting a high horse of some sort.

That was just my sugestion, because if you are driving at the speed limit - you are very likely to exceed it accidentally by couple of km/h.
If this will be penalized as well, people will even be affraid to go at speed limit, but they will go slower - that will cause obstructions and irritation of other drivers.

There is a reason why almost all EU countries have such list of penalties according to how much speed exceeded, and usually if someone exceeds speed a small bit, it doesn't attract a penalty.

triple-M

CiniO wrote: »

What I find the most radiculous is the fixed charge for speeding no matter how much.
There should be some kind of dependece of charge according to speed.

F.E.

0 km/h - 10km/h above the limit - no penalty.
10km/h - 20km/h above the limit - 20 euros + 1 penalty point
20km/h - 30km/h above the limit - 80 euros + 2 penalty points
30km/h - 40km/h above the limit - 250 euros + 4 penalty points.
40km/h - 50km/h above the limit - 600 euros + 8 penalty points.
more then 50km/h above the limit - obligatory driving ban + penalty in the court.

That would make more sense, then issuing 2 point and 80 euros for anyone speeding no matter is someone is doing 121km/h on motorway, or 200km/h in the town centre.

if the max penalty for driving 140km/h on a motorway was a score and 1 point i'd be a very happy camper

Mr. Manager

CiniO wrote: »

I don't agree.
Speeding is something you can measure.
Are you trying to tell me, that someone exceeding speed limit by 1km/h is causing the same danger as someone exceeding it by 80km/h ?

I never said anything about the dangers of speeding. You say it is something you can measure? Then measure it correctly. You're not going to get done for being 1 kmh over the speed limit (unless the officer was a complete wanker) so that holds no ground for an argument.

CiniO wrote: »

That was just my sugestion, because if you are driving at the speed limit - you are very likely to exceed it accidentally by couple of km/h.
If this will be penalized as well, people will even be affraid to go at speed limit, but they will go slower - that will cause obstructions and irritation of other drivers.

There is a reason why almost all EU countries have such list of penalties according to how much speed exceeded, and usually if someone exceeds speed a small bit, it doesn't attract a penalty.

Unfortunately, we are not like all EU countries and probably never will be when it comes to driving. You cannot compare us to the likes of France, Germany etc.

kirving

I agree that there should be incremental fines based on how much over the limit you are doing, because it reflects the increased dangers associated with increased speed. 600 and 8 points is harsh though, 160kph on a motorway in the dead of night isn't ridiculously dangerous, as the punishment would suggest.

The real problem with this system(which would be much better than the current system), is that speed can't really be the sole measuring factor. I mean, 40+ over the limit in a village is inherently more dangerous than 40+ over on a quiet motorway.

Maybe if the system was based on what percentage over the limit you were doing?

Mr. Manager

Too many factors to take into account...

You're talking about setting different speed limits, different fixed penalties, fines for different areas of road, different weather at different times or the day.

Open to several appeals in court IMO

slimjimmc

CiniO wrote: »

There is a reason why almost all EU countries have such list of penalties according to how much speed exceeded, and usually if someone exceeds speed a small bit, it doesn't attract a penalty.

Perhaps that has something to do with EU Directive 75/443/EEC (consolidated version) which requires that speedometers over-read by between 4kph up to a max of 10%+4kph?
So an indicated speed of 54kph would in fact be anything from 45kph to 50 kph

4.4. The speed indicated must never be less than the true speed. At the
speeds specified for the test in 4.3.5 above and between these speeds,
there shall be the following relationship between the speed indicated on
the dial of the speedometer (V1) and the true speed (V2):
0 <= V1 - V2 <= (V2/10)+4kph