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  • 20-11-2010 10:19pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭


    Help Needed.

    I complted BAI Civil Engineering BA (maths) in Trinity in 2002. I assumed I was qualiified to teach on completion of HDIP- but it seems the rules have changed and I must submit and [FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]APPLICATION FOR THE ASSESSMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS
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    I intend to apply to the TCI but it will take a few months for a response and I need to know asap ie this week if I can teach or not.

    I assumed with my degree I could teach Maths, Applied Maths and Physics.

    In first year I failed Engineering Physics (33%) and failed a subject in my final year. But passed overall.

    Overall i got a 3rd honours degree.

    Can anyone help me as if I apply and get accepted but cannot teach the subject I cannot change my application to do a different course.

    Thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddymick_2000


    I would be grateful for any advice at all.

    I am currently working from 0 knowledge on this subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    This is the list of degrees recognised by the TC


    http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/TC_Publications/Autoquals_updated_16th_April_2010_59583648.pdf

    Bachelor of Engineering B.A.I. is on it, is that the same degree as yours? That degree is approved for Maths and Applied Maths but not Physics.

    If this is not the same degree you will have to get your degree assessed. There are a couple of threads on the forum already about getting Engineering degrees assessed and the problems that have arisen from them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddymick_2000


    I was sure it used to include Physics. In fact I am nearly sure it did.

    Anyway I have 10 years experience as a structural engineer and CAD tech. and cant teach Tech Drawing or Physics.

    Are they MAD.

    Seriously - who can teach Physics and Tech Drawing


  • Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's a long thread here about engineering / teaching maths. Basically engineers are in limbo recently, as the Teaching Council doesn't appear to accept a lot of engineering degrees anymore and submits them to their assessments. In some cases they have recommended applicants to pursue further maths modules in college for a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddymick_2000


    It all seem like money collecting, but I suppose I can wait and see.

    Anyone else got a BAI from Trinity - how are they getting on.

    I lookede through the old tread and no results give from TC, I assume if I submit to them there is a chance that I will get physics also, I am a structural engineer.

    Would seem crazy if they say no. Phyics is like the abc to an english teacher.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    I was sure it used to include Physics. In fact I am nearly sure it did.

    Anyway I have 10 years experience as a structural engineer and CAD tech. and cant teach Tech Drawing or Physics.

    Are they MAD.

    Seriously - who can teach Physics and Tech Drawing

    But that's like saying 'I've lived in France for 10 years so I can teach French'.. not saying you wouldn't be capable but they do look for a degree in the subject.

    People with degrees in physics and tech drawing can teach them. UL are churning out at least 60 graduates a year from their teaching degree programmes in Woodwork/Tech Drawing and Metalwork/Tech Drawing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddymick_2000


    not really the same thing.

    A doctor doesnt get a degree in Biology aswell as his medical degree. It is implied that it is a fundemental part of his subject.

    You cannot be a structural engineer without understanding physics.

    The thing about france is like saying I sat under an apple tree and got hit by an apple - can I teach physics. Not the same thing,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddymick_2000


    Anyway as Far as I am aware you get a BA BAI from Trinity. BA in maths BAI in engineering,

    Could be wrong there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    not really the same thing.

    A doctor doesnt get a degree in Biology aswell as his medical degree. It is implied that it is a fundemental part of his subject.

    You cannot be a structural engineer without understanding physics.

    The thing about france is like saying I sat under an apple tree and got hit by an apple - can I teach physics. Not the same thing,

    Being a structural engineer and understanding physics is not the same as teaching physics. I've no doubt that mechanics is a fundamental part of the course but does it deal with nuclear physics or radioactivity for example? These topics are on the LC.

    Either way your best bet is to contact the TC. There's no shortcut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddymick_2000


    True. Think we could go around in circles.

    But do you think I am wasting my time with TC (and €300) or will it be just Maths and Applied Maths - I am 35 years old no way I can do another 2 years in college inorder to teach another subject.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    True. Think we could go around in circles.

    But do you think I am wasting my time with TC (and €300) or will it be just Maths and Applied Maths - I am 35 years old no way I can do another 2 years in college inorder to teach another subject.

    I'd say as it's already one of the listed degrees - and in that sense you are very lucky as so few engineering degrees are recognised - you would be allowed to teach only Maths and Applied Maths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddymick_2000


    In oredr to get another teaching subject would I need to take another year of college and pay 3-4K to study another subject

    or

    is there some way I can study paralell to my teacher training.

    I assume I would never get a job with only Maths and Applied Maths?


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