Employed in Civil/Public Service? Prove to us that you aren't getting too much . . .

amen

In a similar vain to the "Are you on Social Welfare? Prove to us that you aren't getting too much . . ." thread those working in the civil/public service prove you are not getting paid too much by outlining how much you get paid, grade you are in, education qualification required for the grade, gross salary, pension contribution, salary on retirement, job responsibilities, number of staff reporting to you, holiday entitlements, working hours etc

pieface_ie

i doubt anyone will tell you how much they earn per year.

People didn't seem to interested in the PS during the good times :rolleyes:

Sparedog12

Oh dear.

ParkRunner

You go first Amen. Is it just me or are all these public sector bashing threads started by people who work in IT?

baldbear

These threads never end well.

Absurdum

no

The_Thing

I'm in B Company - that is I'll still Be a government employee long after the IMF are gone.

If they cut my wages by, let's say 20%, then I will do 20% less work, 30% less work, etc. I have no intention of sharing anyone's pain, in any form whatsoever.

Merch

The_Thing wrote: »

I'm in B Company - that is I'll still Be a government employee long after the IMF are gone.

If they cut my wages by, let's say 20%, then I will do 20% less work, 30% less work, etc. I have no intention of sharing anyone's pain, in any form whatsoever.

Perhaps it will be cut 100% need to cut a few, I think anyone with that outlook should be cut.
Lots of us are not responsible for what's happening, look at Latvia, austerity moves are needed, you effectively say you aren't prepared to help.
it's a big **** sandwich and we all have to take a bite

doc_17

amen wrote: »

In a similar vain to the "Are you on Social Welfare? Prove to us that you aren't getting too much . . ." thread those working in the civil/public service prove you are not getting paid too much by outlining how much you get paid, grade you are in, education qualification required for the grade, gross salary, pension contribution, salary on retirement, job responsibilities, number of staff reporting to you, holiday entitlements, working hours etc

What a silly post. If you want to know these things you must be prepared to list your own salary.

doc_17

The_Thing wrote: »

I'm in B Company - that is I'll still Be a government employee long after the IMF are gone.

If they cut my wages by, let's say 20%, then I will do 20% less work, 30% less work, etc. I have no intention of sharing anyone's pain, in any form whatsoever.

When they increased your pay in benchmarking did you increase your work by the same percentage?

Don't get me wrong - I'm a PS worker but I think we'll end up paying one way or the other ie higher tax or pay and job cuts

RichardAnd

I'll re iterate my post from a similar, asinine thread. OP, what any person gets paid (be they public, private, unemployed or whatever) is absolutely none of your business.

Mods, please close this before it goes on further.

btard

amen wrote: »

In a similar vain to the "Are you on Social Welfare? Prove to us that you aren't getting too much . . ." thread those working in the civil/public service prove you are not getting paid too much by outlining how much you get paid, grade you are in, education qualification required for the grade, gross salary, pension contribution, salary on retirement, job responsibilities, number of staff reporting to you, holiday entitlements, working hours etc

No.

pieface_ie

pieface_ie wrote: »

i doubt anyone will tell you how much they earn per year.

People didn't seem to interested in the PS during the good times :rolleyes:

But the PS were awfully interested in what folks were earning out in the private sector, now in times of job losses and huge wage cuts the PS don't want to know Why not do some benchmarking now ? What does a person in a job in the private sector that requires a leaving cert standard of education earn doing a job such as processing motor tax applications and parking fines earn now ? What does a privately employed car park attendent earn (analogous to traffic wardens essentially) ?

Why not benchmark now ??

byhookorbycrook

Benchmark away, Public service have lost out in cuts already, so I'd be happy to take the cut the private sector did.

"Due to the cuts applied in last December’s budget, public service workers experienced a 5.5% fall in weekly earnings compared to just 2.8% for their private sector counterparts. The CSO also pointed out that its assessment of public service earnings did not take into account the pension levy imposed on the sector. "

http://www.irishexaminer.com/text/ireland/kfmhauojqley/

byhookorbycrook

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Benchmark away, Public service have lost out in cuts already, so I'd be happy to take the cut the private sector did.

"Due to the cuts applied in last December’s budget, public service workers experienced a 5.5% fall in weekly earnings compared to just 2.8% for their private sector counterparts. The CSO also pointed out that its assessment of public service earnings did not take into account the pension levy imposed on the sector. "

http://www.irishexaminer.com/text/ireland/kfmhauojqley/

But most of the private sector counterparts (equivalent skills and capabilities) are on about €300/week not over €25,000/annum

femur61

EF wrote: »

You go first Amen. Is it just me or are all these public sector bashing threads started by people who work in IT?

I don't but I've lived a good while in the UKand a rt time in the states Even before the advent of the internet where we could see the wages of orther countries for anyone who has lived abroad would find it incredulous the wages and benefits of the PS here.

ilovelamp2000

RoverJames wrote: »

But most of the private sector counterparts (equivalent skills and capabilities) are on about €300/week not over €25,000/annum

Evidence ?

ilovelamp2000

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Evidence ?

Of what, that folks doing jobs requiring little education are on €300 a week on the private sector or that many many folks working in the motor tax office, parking fines office, traffic wardens etc are on €25,000 + a year ?

desaparecidos

RichardAnd wrote: »

I'll re iterate my post from a similar, asinine thread. OP, what any person gets paid (be they public, private, unemployed or whatever) is absolutely none of your business.

Mods, please close this before it goes on further.

I'd call that back seat modding.

byhookorbycrook

RoverJames wrote: »

But most of the private sector counterparts (equivalent skills and capabilities) are on about €300/week not over €25,000/annum

I have 25 years experience and an honours degree.I doubt that anyone with that level of experience is on €25,000.

PCPhoto

I dont mean to be thread bashing but - whats the point in these threads ?

what good will it do to type frantically on your keyboard (or mobile phone keypad)....

if you want to protest...go out and protest.

if you feel the PS should be cut - then bring the matter up with your local TD - see if he/she will do something about the matter.....or if they can shed any light on how much these people earn and what the other "benefits" actually include.

I'm self employed working 7 days a week earning approx 40K a year - I pay approx 2.5K a month in bills, rent, loans, credit cards etc, I have periods where its difficult to earn money so have some months in the year when I have no income and other months I have a good income - its difficult for me to deal with at times.

(I have had 2 days off since Sept - and my next bit of time off* planned is 21st Dec)

life at the moment is tough - but it is tough for both public and private sectors - the front line services (nurses etc) of the PS are poorly paid for what they do - but there are similar sections of PS workers who don't work as hard - I'm talking about physically demanding (no offence meant...but stamp office, motor tax office, fines office etc) ....

The government is not willing to do the right thing and lead by example.... they took "a cut" last year - only to throw in an increase in the expenses allowed this year - which was mainly unnoticed....the politicians should look at themselves and ask how much can they survive on .... forget about claiming expenses - set up a fair wage for politicians and let the rest of us alone with the wages we have.


*= its possible that between now and then I will get a day off - depends on if I don't get the regular work that I currently have

strandroad

The_Thing wrote: »

I'm in B Company - that is I'll still Be a government employee long after the IMF are gone.

If they cut my wages by, let's say 20%, then I will do 20% less work, 30% less work, etc. I have no intention of sharing anyone's pain, in any form whatsoever.

I wouldn't normally wish job losses on anyone, especially having gone through one myself last year.

But with your attitude I wish they cut down your pay 100%, you can then cut your effort 100% too.

strandroad

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Benchmark away, Public service have lost out in cuts already, so I'd be happy to take the cut the private sector did.

"Due to the cuts applied in last December’s budget, public service workers experienced a 5.5% fall in weekly earnings compared to just 2.8% for their private sector counterparts. The CSO also pointed out that its assessment of public service earnings did not take into account the pension levy imposed on the sector. "

http://www.irishexaminer.com/text/ireland/kfmhauojqley/

Now add all the job losses, three day weeks etc and tell us if you'd like to take that too.

byhookorbycrook

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I have 25 years experience and an honours degree.I doubt that anyone with that level of experience is on €25,000.

I take it you don't work in the motor tax office or patrol the steets for out of date motor tax :pac:

amen

I only started this as tongue in check post to high light how ridiculous the "On social welfare. Prove " post was.

There is too much bashing of those on social welfare in Ireland. (I am currently not and I am lucky I am not). There seems to a lack of awareness from large sections of society what it is like and how hard it is to live on Social welfare.

Most people would work if the could but there is no work available.

If we cut social welfare do we want to end up like the USA of where the unemployed end up on the streets? Where families are seperated ?Where the poor find it hard to get medical care ? ( already happening in Ireland?)

We live in a republic which should espouse the ideas of liberty, fraternity and equality. This would involve scarificies from all to ensure the above ideals are implemented.

Of course if we live in true a capital society as those who suggest cutting or removing social welfare then of course all state intervention in the market place should be removed. This of course would mean all the banks would have gone bust, there would be no Tax breaks for business i.e. Hotels, BIS schemes, free FAS workers for 6 months etc

So what to do ?

byhookorbycrook

RoverJames wrote: »

I take it you don't work in the motor tax office or patrol the steets for out of date motor tax :pac:

No, I teach in special education.

not yet

RoverJames wrote: »

But most of the private sector counterparts (equivalent skills and capabilities) are on about €300/week not over €25,000/annum

This post inparticular is beyond funny....

I know of nobody earning 15k a year, why dont yougo away, check your "facts" and come back when you have a snooze.

not yet

not yet wrote: »

This post inparticular is beyond funny....

I know of nobody earning 15k a year, why dont yougo away, check your "facts" and come back when you have a snooze.

Jst thinking 15k a year is less then minimum wage...any thoughts on that by the way..

trellheim

Public sector pay is a public matter and the pay rates are freely available.

Manach

amen wrote: »

We live in a republic which should espouse the ideas of liberty, fraternity and equality. This would involve scarificies from all to ensure the above ideals are implemented.

So what to do ?

Manage expectations - in that being a self-sacrificing worker (Public/Private) in this Republic means supporting the undeservingsocial welfare generational drones (as distinct from those who genuninely need state assistance).

K-9

What a stupid thread.

I argued for Public Service pay cuts before. I wanted graduated cuts based on wage, from say 5% to 40%. That would have meant people on low incomes paying little or no tax would have suffered proportionately. Instead a straight cut was brought in, harming the lower paid workers far more.

Public Servants pay mortgages, have to feed kids, educate them, same as the rest of us.

They'll get 15/20% cuts from the IMF and a big reduction in numbers. On top of that, they'll get the tax increases we all have to pay. That should be enough of a pound of flesh.

A little empathy wouldn't go astray at this stage. The big guns you are all aiming for will be safe from IMF cuts, the hard working Public Servants you encounter in your normal day, will not.

The Inspector of Taxes sending you out the tax demands, the person you never see, the one who negotiates settlements with Developers and tax evaders, will be fine, will suffer less. The Revenue person you talk to on the phone or call into, who provides a great service, will get hit far more.

The IMF are here lads.What so many wished on this very forum has arrived. When pay is cut by 20% and rules are made so hard to qualify for, when Welfare is slashed, don't be moaning about businesses going to the wall and tax receipts in free fall.

Don't be moaning about growth and us going back into recession for a year or 2 yet. Don't be moaning about Unemployment increasing.

Yeah, benchmarking was a disgrace, so was the HSE, but just be careful of what you wish for. It may come back to bite you in the ass.

Darlughda

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I have 25 years experience and an honours degree.I doubt that anyone with that level of experience is on €25,000.

No, I have that amount of experience and I am currently on welfare and work voluntarily.

Actually I also have a masters' degree and yes, I do agree with you that there are almost none in the civil/public service with that level of experience or qualifications earning €25k, I would still be more than delighted to get a job with that salary.

Scofflaw

Christ Almighty.

moderately,
Scofflaw