Its all coming together for the Springer!!!

EPointer=Birdss

A Manchurian
A Ringneck
A Melanistic
A fine hours shooting this evening with the young springer after a frustratingly quite morning with the pointer.
Some hat cam footage hopefully later in the week when I get a chance...

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A feed of pan fried woodcock with gravy herbs & veg. Nice finish to a fine day!

kermitpwee

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

A Manchurian
A Ringneck
A Melanistic
A fine hours shooting this evening with the young springer after a frustratingly quite morning with the pointer.
Some hat cam footage hopefully later in the week when I get a chance...




A feed of pan fried woodcock with gravy herbs & veg. Nice finish to a fine day!

Nice shooting. Whats that blue box on the dogs collar?

EPointer=Birdss

kermitpwee wrote: »

Nice shooting. Whats that blue box on the dogs collar?

E- collar. I use it for the beep function to turn the dog.
V quiet dog, he doesn't need any tough handling.

kermitpwee

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

E- collar. I use it for the beep function to turn the dog.
V quiet dog, he doesn't need any tough handling.

Oh right never heard of one of those collars, Its not a shock collar is it? Would it get caught when he goes into cover?

EPointer=Birdss

kermitpwee wrote: »

Oh right never heard of one of those collars, Its not a shock collar is it? Would it get caught when he goes into cover?

Can shock if required.
No issue with cover yet and was in some serious stuff today!

kermitpwee

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Can shock if required.
No issue with cover yet and was in some serious stuff today!

I'm guessing the e collar would speed up training a lot? I don't think I would use one myself but can't say anything bad about them as i haven't used one, I have heard bad things about shock collars. I'm guessing the beep system is a warning? Did it take long to train the dog using the E collar?

tikkamark

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Can shock if required.
No issue with cover yet and was in some serious stuff today!

Never had any issues with mine either and it does be going through some severe cover!
Looking forward to some camera footage if you get to put it up.

dicky82

i notice the leg ring on one of the birds, are the other two wild lads or ones you have also released? whats your average on the ones you've shot so far? wild/released?

hope to bag a pheasant this week, have only had the chance at one so far but its still a raw issue with me so the less said the better. ha

EPointer=Birdss

dicky82 wrote: »

i notice the leg ring on one of the birds, are the other two wild lads or ones you have also released? whats your average on the ones you've shot so far? wild/released?

hope to bag a pheasant this week, have only had the chance at one so far but its still a raw issue with me so the less said the better. ha

Ya he's a tagged one. We released different breeds from different breeders including our own bred ones. The black guy is a wild bred from ones I bred previous year that were tagged.
So far about 30% of what were shot were released. We haven't been shooting the main release points yet though and there are a lot of birds still going into the release runs that haven't moved out.
Looks like the early good summer was good for wild birds

EPointer=Birdss

kermitpwee wrote: »

I'm guessing the e collar would speed up training a lot? I don't think I would use one myself but can't say anything bad about them as i haven't used one, I have heard bad things about shock collars. I'm guessing the beep system is a warning? Did it take long to train the dog using the E collar?

My take on dogs is they learn nothing in yards. I train obedience in the field from as young as they can walk. When they can be distracted by all sorts. What a collar does is give you control at all times & if introduced as an aid very gently a dog will react no problem. The best dogs I've seen to hunt are those in the field since they can walk. This is personal experience & my own opinion only.
I don't like to wait til 6 months plus to introduce a dog to the field. Waste of valuable months when they are like a sponge. I had 1st point with the pointer at 3 months & the 1st trail & flush from the springer at 14 weeks or so. Both dogs are now way ahead on their development for their age.
Problem as I see it without control you can't have a dog in the field. That's why yard trained dogs needs months of work before they can be brought out, to instill control. My theory is my dogs are learning hunting & obedience at the same time.
People get hung up on the shock element. You rarely rarely need to & as the age never. Reason I beep more than whistling on the springer is when I was whistling I had birds getting up 50 yards in front of the dog.
All opinion & personal choice. Dogs been trained for decades without collars so nothing wrong there.
In short a Collar does speed things up & allows n younger dog in the field.

kermitpwee

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

My take on dogs is they learn nothing in yards. I train obedience in the field from as young as they can walk. When they can be distracted by all sorts. What a collar does is give you control at all times & if introduced as an aid very gently a dog will react no problem. The best dogs I've seen to hunt are those in the field since they can walk. This is personal experience & my own opinion only.
I don't like to wait til 6 months plus to introduce a dog to the field. Waste of valuable months when they are like a sponge. I had 1st point with the pointer at 3 months & the 1st trail & flush from the springer at 14 weeks or so. Both dogs are now way ahead on their development for their age.
Problem as I see it without control you can't have a dog in the field. That's why yard trained dogs needs months of work before they can be brought out, to instill control. My theory is my dogs are learning hunting & obedience at the same time.
People get hung up on the shock element. You rarely rarely need to & as the age never. Reason I beep more than whistling on the springer is when I was whistling I had birds getting up 50 yards in front of the dog.
All opinion & personal choice. Dogs been trained for decades without collars so nothing wrong there.
In short a Collar does speed things up & allows n younger dog in the field.

I understand you now, very interesting to hear how you do it and it sounds good.
Good post.

remi243

great result epointer well worth the second trip out,,,the little spanial looks as proud as punch:)

Antoennis

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

My take on dogs is they learn nothing in yards. I train obedience in the field from as young as they can walk. When they can be distracted by all sorts. What a collar does is give you control at all times & if introduced as an aid very gently a dog will react no problem. The best dogs I've seen to hunt are those in the field since they can walk. This is personal experience & my own opinion only.
I don't like to wait til 6 months plus to introduce a dog to the field. Waste of valuable months when they are like a sponge. I had 1st point with the pointer at 3 months & the 1st trail & flush from the springer at 14 weeks or so. Both dogs are now way ahead on their development for their age.
Problem as I see it without control you can't have a dog in the field. That's why yard trained dogs needs months of work before they can be brought out, to instill control. My theory is my dogs are learning hunting & obedience at the same time.
People get hung up on the shock element. You rarely rarely need to & as the age never. Reason I beep more than whistling on the springer is when I was whistling I had birds getting up 50 yards in front of the dog.
All opinion & personal choice. Dogs been trained for decades without collars so nothing wrong there.
In short a Collar does speed things up & allows n younger dog in the field.

I agree fully. I use one on my dogs every time they are off the lead. Apart from the training its a safety issue as well. I walk my dogs every day close to main roads if one of the dogs takes off after a bird or hare and will not turn a small beep in their hear will turn her away from any danger. Its an emotive issue some people like them some don't. Helped me big time when i got my 1 and half year old beagle/pointer x that wasn't great at returning to the whistle. Now she is great dog. Also my pet dog can be very hard headed and cross as hell when she see's other dogs we could never let her off the lead. Now every day both dogs are walked for 5 miles off the lead and i know they will come back when called every time. Dogs are happier and so am i.

Anthony
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