Will Fianna Fail Ever recover?

politicsdude

How are they ever going to be able to live it down? Who on earth will ever vote for them again?

Lapin

Will Fianna Fáil ever recover?

Yes.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-ff-doesn't-aim-high-because-it-understands-moral-mediocrity-2412439.html

Whether you like Myers or not, he hit the nail on the head this time.

saintsaltynuts

Finished in the next elections anyway.But we will have a younger generation coming through now told by their own parents to stay away from them.Not finished as such but will certainly go down a rank or two.

bladespin

The history books will ruin them IMO, kids will learn to avoid them from school going age.

politicsdude

saintsaltynuts wrote: »

Finished in the next elections anyway.But we will have a younger generation coming through now told by their own parents to stay away from them.Not finished as such but will certainly go down a rank or two.

i dunno i think it could take years for them to recover ... political parties can sometimes be all but destroyed by big mess ups look what happened to the liberals in the UK once the biggest part but ever since the end of the 1st world war they have been down in third place

Einhard

They'll be back in government following the election after next. FG and Labour or whatever permutation gets in in the next poll will have to impose the harshest budgetary measures in the history of the state. People have short memories, and will blame both those parties for the cutbacks and tax hikes, FF will exploit this and make no attempt to be responsible in opposition, and will be back in power to lead the celebrations in 2016, where they will, without any hint of irony, make speech after speech about Irish independence and their role in bringing it about.

dreenman

Look at the polls in Donegal - there are a huge number of people that never change their vote no matter how bad the party or candidate is. Its as much a part of their belief system as the Church is to them (and just as misguided).

I can see FF clinging to power - remember our PR system is a very, very poor PR system and actually helps maintain the status quo (and we know how dated their music is)

bmaxi

Anyone who thinks the demise of FF, if it happens, will be the end of "cute hoorism" and greed in Irish politics is living in cloud cuckoo land, the ethos of "cute hoorism" is embedded in the country and not specific to any one party. What's to stop all the cute hoors joining FG?
We continued to elect the crooks even when we knew they were crooks and they would still have been crooks whichever party they belonged to. The fact they mostly belonged to FF was because that was where the power was. when the power goes elsewhere, so will the crooks.

Liam Byrne

bmaxi wrote: »

We continued to elect the crooks even when we knew they were crooks and they would still have been crooks whichever party they belonged to. The fact they mostly belonged to FF was because that was where the power was. when the power goes elsewhere, so will the crooks.

Point 1 : See sig

Point 2 : Some party or other evicted the crooked Lowry, which proves both your and my point.....firstly that not every party is as crooked as FF who took him in, and also your point that some idiots in Tipperary voted him back in for FF to do so.

PeterIanStaker

Yes they'll recover, they're a cancer, or a mental illness that can't be gotten rid of, much like Catholicism. Sad but true.

Greentopia

politicsdude wrote: »

How are they ever going to be able to live it down? Who on earth will ever vote for them again?

Christ I hope they never recover. I would love to see them utterly annihilated in the next election and resign them to the annals of history.
In fact I would swallow the avalanche of austerity and cutbacks to come a lot more willingly if I thought the trade off would be the end of FF.
I detest them and everything they stand for with every fiber of my being for what they have done to this country.

Greentopia

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Yes they'll recover, they're a cancer, or a mental illness that can't be gotten rid of, much like Catholicism. Sad but true.

I'm fearful you may be right and it's the one thing about this country that depresses me more than anything else because if FF ever get back into power after this it'll mean the majority of the country will have learned nothing from this present crisis and we are doomed to repeat the failures of the past ad infinitum.
Then we may as well just give up and concede that we are in fact incapable of running our own affairs and let someone else take over.

PeterIanStaker

Greentopia wrote: »

I'm fearful you may be right and it's the one thing about this country that depresses me more than anything else because if FF ever get back into power after this it'll mean the majority of the country will have learned nothing from this present crisis and we are doomed to repeat the failures of the past ad infinitum.
Then we may as well just give up and concede that we are in fact incapable of running our own affairs and let someone else take over.

I'm very afraid I might be right too. Country should have never got into this state, but FF and their voters ran the house of cards into the ground. Pat Carey was "not ashamed" on TV last night, thats because he like all FF'ers has no brain or spine.

Amtmann

What do posters here expect to be the results of the next Red C/MRBI polls relating to party support? I presume one will be carried out imminently as a result of the bailout. Do people expect FF support to have fallen further?

My own belief if that FF should not have a single deputy returned ever again, but of course they will. :rolleyes:

mikemac

They'll recover

They have the best organized cummann system of any party. Something other partys might do well to copy.

And that's how local party members in your area get to interact.

I don't see this disappearing.

marybernadette

Einhard wrote: »

They'll be back in government following the election after next. FG and Labour or whatever permutation gets in in the next poll will have to impose the harshest budgetary measures in the history of the state. People have short memories, and will blame both those parties for the cutbacks and tax hikes, FF will exploit this and make no attempt to be responsible in opposition, and will be back in power to lead the celebrations in 2016, where they will, without any hint of irony, make speech after speech about Irish independence and their role in bringing it about.

Sad to say you're probably right. Remember, FF didn't get into power by a military coup. they were elected three times, despite the fact that they made no secret of their corruption and cronyism. the Irish electorate need an attitude transplant. they love FF's cute hoorism and will only look for an excuse to vote them back into power in five years time

Greentopia

Furet wrote: »

What do posters here expect to be the results of the next Red C/MRBI polls relating to party support? I presume one will be carried out imminently as a result of the bailout. Do people expect FF support to have fallen further?

My own belief if that FF should not have a single deputy returned ever again, but of course they will. :rolleyes:

I'd say another drop in the polls is to be expected, maybe down to 15%. I can't see it ever falling into single digits because of the core party support of idiots who'll vote FF no matter how much they fail this country.
Sickening really.