Speed cameras and issuing of penalty.

CiniO

I quickly went through all threads about speed cameras, but didn't find anything about it.

How does it work in practice.
Someone is speeding, get's flashed, and what then?
Does the fixed penalty notice with points come in post after a while?
Does the picture taken from the speed camera come with them?

What if the owner wasn't driving the car, but someone else?
What in case when the owner can't remember who was driving the car at specific date and time?
What if it was someone who lives abroad?
And finally what if owner doesn't know the person who was driving the car (f.e. he was trying to sell the car, gave a car to potential buyer for a short test drive, and the buyer got flashed)?

What in all above cases?

pm.

just 1 more question to add, if your speeding at night time will the camera flash or is it infra-red ? would hate to crash at night because i was blinded by the flash

Stink on the inside

Ive been done in the uK driving at night, yes there was a flash.

About two weeks later i got the fine and a colour print with time and date of the photo and some proof documentation that the camera was calibrated.
cases in the uk of people being caught using overseas addresses of phantom people they said that were driving.
I think one guy even got jailed for this..

I think there were cases of footballers in the uk caught who had got others to take the points/ blame for the speeding.

I was only about 4 miles an hour over the limit if i remember correctly and still got flashed/ fined.

Stink on the inside

If I had Irish plates while i was driving in the uk I would have gotten away with the points and fine.

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

I quickly went through all threads about speed cameras, but didn't find anything about it.

How does it work in practice.
Someone is speeding, get's flashed, and what then?
Does the fixed penalty notice with points come in post after a while? Yes
Does the picture taken from the speed camera come with them? Usually a picture of your reg plate will be on the letter.

What if the owner wasn't driving the car, but someone else? You can nominate someone else to take the points if you were not the driver. Its on the letter as far as I can remember.
What in case when the owner can't remember who was driving the car at specific date and time? Tough. Either nominate someone or take the points yourself. Its not hard to remember who was driving your car and when to be fair.
What if it was someone who lives abroad? They get the fine but should they choose not to pay it then I dont think a lot can/will be done about it.
And finally what if owner doesn't know the person who was driving the car (f.e. he was trying to sell the car, gave a car to potential buyer for a short test drive, and the buyer got flashed)? Not sure actually; again I think its up to the owner to nominate the driver or else take the punishment themselves.

What in all above cases?

Answers in bold!

CiniO

Does the picture taken from the speed camera come with them? Usually a picture of your reg plate will be on the letter.

Hmm. Would be much wiser, to get the picture of the whole car together with driver face. Then it would be much easier for the car owner to see who was driving, and as well to make sure that the actually picture taken is of his car, not someone elses who just put the fake numberplate with his number.

Tough. Either nominate someone or take the points yourself. Its not hard to remember who was driving your car and when to be fair.

It depends.
If you have a car and lend it to your brother once a month, it's probably easy enough to remember. Still might be confusing though, as you might not be sure if at half 2 was it you or a brother driving.
But what if there's a car in a family, and there's 5 different people driving it regualrry (husband, wife, grandmother, daughter and son). There's probably no chance to remeber who was driving when and where.
The same with company cars used by different employees.

And the other thing. I can understand all above - that car owner should be responsible for remembering or writing down who and when is using his car. And if he doesn't he should be penalised. But why should he get penalty points for it.

Just a case when the owner can't remember who was driving the car, so he get's fixed penalty and points.
I always thought that penalty points are to penlise drivers commiting road traffic offences. In this case, someone who is not driving at all, or someone who never committed any road traffic offence, can be banned from driving for exceeding penalty points limit. Just ridiculous.

I think, there should be separate penalty for someone who can't say who was driving. It might be much higher then for speeding, but without penalty points.



PS: Is it always fixed penalty charge and points for speeding flashed by camera, or it might be that someone will be done for dangerous driving, if he's exceeding speed way too much.
F.E someone is doing 200km/h in 100km/h limit.
Or no matter on circumstances, it's always 80 euros and 2 points?

L1011

CiniO wrote: »

PS: Is it always fixed penalty charge and points for speeding flashed by camera, or it might be that someone will be done for dangerous driving, if he's exceeding speed way too much.
F.E someone is doing 200km/h in 100km/h limit.
Or no matter on circumstances, it's always 80 euros and 2 points?

A camera can't make a judgement on the other offences you can be done for (dangerous driving, careless driving, driving without due consideration) so its always a standard fine.

P.C.

CiniO wrote: »

Hmm. Would be much wiser, to get the picture of the whole car together with driver face. Then it would be much easier for the car owner to see who was driving, and as well to make sure that the actually picture taken is of his car, not someone elses who just put the fake numberplate with his number.



It depends.
If you have a car and lend it to your brother once a month, it's probably easy enough to remember. Still might be confusing though, as you might not be sure if at half 2 was it you or a brother driving.
But what if there's a car in a family, and there's 5 different people driving it regualrry (husband, wife, grandmother, daughter and son). There's probably no chance to remeber who was driving when and where.
The same with company cars used by different employees.

And the other thing. I can understand all above - that car owner should be responsible for remembering or writing down who and when is using his car. And if he doesn't he should be penalised. But why should he get penalty points for it.

Just a case when the owner can't remember who was driving the car, so he get's fixed penalty and points.
I always thought that penalty points are to penlise drivers commiting road traffic offences. In this case, someone who is not driving at all, or someone who never committed any road traffic offence, can be banned from driving for exceeding penalty points limit. Just ridiculous.

I think, there should be separate penalty for someone who can't say who was driving. It might be much higher then for speeding, but without penalty points.



PS: Is it always fixed penalty charge and points for speeding flashed by camera, or it might be that someone will be done for dangerous driving, if he's exceeding speed way too much.
F.E someone is doing 200km/h in 100km/h limit.
Or no matter on circumstances, it's always 80 euros and 2 points?

The car owner is responsible for remembering or knowing who was/is using their car and when. And if he doesn't he should be penalised, and get penalty points for it.

iphone4g

P.C. wrote: »

The car owner is responsible for remembering or knowing who was/is using their car and when. And if he doesn't he should be penalised, and get penalty points for it.

That's a load of ****e,husband and wife one car and you think one or the other is going to remember who was driving the car every time down to the hour and day,and that owner of the car SHOULD be penalised for not remembering?

bmw535d

my mother was caught on the second of november this year and a letter came in on the 10th(quick) with a picture of the rear of the car showing just the reg. she was doing 70kph in a 60kph zone(tight c*nts). my father is taking the points as she already has 2 for briefly crossing a white line passing a cyclist, this is two cases where an elderly woman broke two laws that didn't put anyone in danger and was done for them while people race up and down our local town each and every night. ridiculous.

pa990

it's an infrared flash

the data collected by the private speed cam vans (location, sped, reg no.) is uploaded to the gardai at phoenix park, which i is turn transmitted to teh fines office eho issue the fines and post them out.

who actually turns in up court in the event of a ticket not being paid.... i dunno

i'm sure that there will be some challenge to the procedure that will eventually be overturned, akin to teh whole "i never received anything in the post" defence

The_Honeybadger

Anybody know if there will be one of these vans at every targetted zone 24/7, or if the zones are merely places where the vans / safety cameras can be parked. I was just looking at the map and I have driven past loads of them in the past few days and haven't noticed any of these vans, getting a little worried as I could be in real trouble if they were at every zone because I wasn't taking any notice of speed. You only need to be causght 6 times to be put off the road and I have driven past at least 20 of the zones since monday LOL. Also does a human operator have to be in the van for them to operate? And is there any leeway at all with the fines, surely they wouldn;t do somebody doing 51kmh in a 50?

L1011

mickeyk wrote: »

Anybody know if there will be one of these vans at every targetted zone 24/7, or if the zones are merely places where the vans / safety cameras can be parked. I was just looking at the map and I have driven past loads of them in the past few days and haven't noticed any of these vans, getting a little worried as I could be in real trouble if they were at every zone because I wasn't taking any notice of speed. You only need to be causght 6 times to be put off the road and I have driven past at least 20 of the zones since monday LOL. Also does a human operator have to be in the van for them to operate? And is there any leeway at all with the fines, surely they wouldn;t do somebody doing 51kmh in a 50?

They are just areas they can be in. There's only 15 vans at the moment anyway.

Remember that the Guards vans and manual checks are still around too.

pm.

mickeyk wrote: »

, surely they wouldn;t do somebody doing 51kmh in a 50?

dont forget you car will read slightly higher than you are actually travelling

CiniO

P.C. wrote: »

The car owner is responsible for remembering or knowing who was/is using their car and when.

Is this defined somewhere in Road Traffic Act or any other regulations?
If not, how is the owner supposed to know he has to remember?

And if he doesn't he should be penalised, and get penalty points for it.

As I said before. I can agree with the idea that owner must remember who was driving a car and when (probably he should write it down) - if it's required by law.
But why should he get penalty points for not remembering it? It's against any logic, as this has nothing to do with road safety, and I always thought that's the reason why penalty points were invented (to eliminate drivers committing traffic offences too often).
What in case, when car owner doesn't have driving licence at all?
He can't get points then.
This could also cause situations, when someone who is not driving at all, loose driving licence for exceeding penalty points. Stupid.

CiniO

MYOB wrote: »

A camera can't make a judgement on the other offences you can be done for (dangerous driving, careless driving, driving without due consideration) so its always a standard fine.

So If someone will do 200km/h in the town (with a limit to 50), it still will be only 80euros and 2 points, the same as for someone who did 55km/h in the same place. Ridiculous.

charlie1966

MYOB wrote: »

A camera can't make a judgement on the other offences you can be done for (dangerous driving, careless driving, driving without due consideration) so its always a standard fine.

Not now but they soon will be able to.

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