Word Association ART training thread

ecoli

Right this will be a pretty simple concept but hopefully will take off and be a useful thread (and a bit of fun).

Rules

• take the first or last letter of the topic (not sentence) from the last poster and use a word beginning with either of them letters that relates to anything ART related
• You can then either ask a question or give some insight regarding the topic you have chosen
• Next poster then carries on the trend using your topics first or last letter to choose their own word

Here is an example that can help explain it better:

Poster 1:Tempo

How long should a tempo run be?

Poster 2: anywhere from 15 min - 1 hour

Overtraining

What are the symptoms?

Poster 3: fatigue,dehydration

Group speedwork

Benefits of training in a group?

Ill let the first poster away lightly having free range of choice of their topic.

Happy posting

metamorphosis

Well since no one has taken the bait, il bite

Runners TrotS :pac::pac:

What causes it?

--amadeus--

Good idea for a thread

ULstudent wrote: »

Well since no one has taken the bait, il bite

Runners TrotS :pac::pac:

What causes it?

*sigh* straight to the gutter

Runners Trots is the urgent need to crap while running. No one seems to be 100% sure as to the cause but the bouncing around of your GI tract when you run is strongly considered a suspect; long distance swimmers and cyclists don't suffer to anything like the same extent. You will see different figures bandied about but anything up to half of all runners are said to get the trots on occasion although strictly speaking even bouts of flatulence are classified as the trots (step forward MCOS )

Other suspected causes are the decrease in blood flow to your GI tract during intensive exercise which could in turn trigger cramping and dehydration (although that seems to be suggested as a root cause of pretty much all running issues). And of course any tummy troubles you have - for example intolerances, esp to dairy products - will be heightened by running.

Solutions seem to be individual. A lot of runners avoid cheese, some get results with a high fibre diet, some don't eat for a period of time before a run. It's all trial and error from what I can see. I know of a few runners who suffer badly and so pop an Immodium tablet prior to a race although that should be checked with a Pharmacist. Others just embrace the open air lifestyle and make sure they run in rural areas and with a supply of bog roll...

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Stretching. Total waste of time?

BeepBeep67

--amadeus-- wrote: »

Stretching. Total waste of time?

Got some good advice on stretching last year, never a waste of time, but different stretch techniques for different circumstances is the way to go.
Static stretching: Never before exercise, but can help recovery post workout.
Dynamic Stretching: Can benefit if included as part of your warm up routine.

Gear: What's your favoutie?

shels4ever

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Got some good advice on stretching last year, never a waste of time, but different stretch techniques for different circumstances is the way to go.
Static stretching: Never before exercise, but can help recovery post workout.
Dynamic Stretching: Can benefit if included as part of your warm up routine.

Gear: What's your favoutie?

EPO
where can I get some ?

Brianderunner

shels4ever wrote: »

EPO
where can I get some ?

south of the border down Mexico way in Tijuana. I was offered it there last year when your man figured i was a runner. Quite tempted i have to say Intervals are a greater performance enhancer anyway Overreaching, whats the difference between that and overtraining?

donothoponpop

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Gear: What's your favoutie?

My new headtorch. The best aid to winter running (in rural areas), and a fascinating way to experience the dark enviroment- pick out the deer and the rabbits from the pairs of jeweled eyes gazing back at you.

Run-up: how many strides before the board do you hit full speed?

Slogger Jogger

Don't know . Any long jumpers around here?

Race distance: whats your favourite and why?

RacoonQueen

Slogger Jogger wrote: »

Race distance: whats your favourite and why?

Ooohh that's a tough one. Love marathons because I know I could go out any day and run one but bad luck and the fact I've yet to race one properly. Both Ultra distances I've raced have been incredible experiences for so many different reasons. I think I'd go with half marathon though, you can race them fairly regularly and it's just within the distance that you can really push your pace. Most of my half marathon experiences have been good ones, it's a distance that I always seem to race well.

Energy gels/drinks: are they effective or is it just the placebo effect?

ecoli

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Energy gels/drinks: are they effective or is it just the placebo effect?

Essentially good for long endurance work but bad over all nutritionally. They are high calorie dense to give you a carb boost which can be crucial in endurance events but rarely to be used outside competition. After first gel their nutritional value according to research is set to offset their benefits so 1st gel +1, second gel -1 and subsequent gels -2

Slalom running. Benefits to a runner through development of ankle strengthening? Or unnecessary injury risk?

metamorphosis

ecoli wrote: »

Essentially good for long endurance work but bad over all nutritionally. They are high calorie dense to give you a carb boost which can be crucial in endurance events but rarely to be used outside competition. After first gel their nutritional value according to research is set to offset their benefits so 1st gel +1, second gel -1 and subsequent gels -2

Slalom running. Benefits to a runner through development of ankle strengthening? Or unnecessary injury risk?

The mod hassssss to be awkward.

I see it as something as very beneficial to those involved in sports where co ordination is key, its deffo not necessary in running imho as there are loads of alternatives to achieve same desired outcomes

Your legs would have to be strong to do slalom running, some newbie could easily hurt themselves by thinking of doing it without the back up of stronger leg muscles and their stabilizers.

At the same time, it could be useful and i wouldn't necessarily go calling it an 'unnecessary' injury risk - but there are a lot of other ways of getting the same outcomes without the injury risk. Personally - its not for me.

Gambling -how often do you/have you taken a gamble with your body and ran when you know you shouldn't have or needed more recovery. Does gambling pay off? How many times have you said 'il never take that gamble again'?

Slogger Jogger

Rarely to be honest. If I'm not right I'd usually at most do an easy run. I took a calculated gamble recently for the marathon as I wasn't 100% but having done all the training the main target was changed from a good time to just getting around. What would your own answer be to this ULs?

Graft / fun ratio. How much graft, how much fun should running / training be?

KentuckyPete

Slogger Jogger wrote: »

Rarely to be honest. If I'm not right I'd usually at most do an easy run. I took a calculated gamble recently for the marathon as I wasn't 100% but having done all the training the main target was changed from a good time to just getting around. What would your own answer be to this ULs?

Graft / fun ratio. How much graft, how much fun should running / training be?

Depends on the session and your form but I'd say in general graft/fun = 40/60

Orienteering in Winter - Is it good training for the off-season or too stop/start to get any meaningful benefit?

ocnoc

KentuckyPete wrote: »

Orienteering in Winter - Is it good training for the off-season or too stop/start to get any meaningful benefit?

If you think orienteering is stop start try stick with the leaders in the Leinster League!
If you still think its stop start I recommend you try out for the national squad.

I orienteer all year round. It builds strength, endurance and mental stamina. Mountain orienteering may not add to your speed, but competing a street race, the top guys are doing 5km in 14-15mins - while navigating - picking out perfect routes between controls, and not getting lost on route!! So they definitely add speed endurance.

If you think you can out run an orienteer in terrain, go to the fixtures list and try your luck - www.orienteering.ie

Rest. The hardest type of training

shotgunmcos

ocnoc wrote: »

Rest. The hardest type of training

Yes, until like anything else, you make the mistakes, learn from them and embed the correct habit. The over eager novice will develop an addiction to the constant personal bests and rapid accumulation of knowledge about their latest passion. Taking it easy doesn't factor as progress must mean more and harder right! It does not necessarily mean having a full day or days off. The best rest is sleep. A good nights sleep is nature's method of resting and rebuilding. A nap is powerful to let you blood flow and carry the protein snack you had post workout for rebuilding. Most of all its about listening to your body. When it is tired and asks for a break... giving it that break.

Rest also mentally. Switch off. Take your OH out to dinner

Track - your favourite session? When feeling good, one more rep.. or stick to the plan?

metamorphosis

@slogger jogger - i used to take risks and it got me injured for 5 months. Learned my lesson. Still need to listen to my body though and rest a little more.

track - for some reason i have fond memories of 4x5min @ LT pace with 90seconds recovery in between. Not the hardest iv done but this stuck out for some reason

K - Keeling over! - have you ever ever really pushed yourself so hard that you thought you were going to keel over and vomit?

shotgunmcos

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K - Keeling over! - have you ever ever really pushed yourself so hard that you thought you were going to keel over and vomit?[/QUOTE]

Yep after 2k test on rowing machine or 60min TT on turbo, oh and once on the track training with Gary Ryan, Tom Comyns etc.. 300m/100m flat out with 1 min rest... I didn't make it to the last rep

Rain - Its wet. Getting soaked by drive bys :mad: