British Chancellor says UK ready to support Ireland

stoneill

Great!
Just about to hand over our government to the British Chancellor, and just in time for a nice royal wedding too!
We had better stock up on the union jacks - we'll be waving them soon.

KeithAFC

Good news i suppose for the republic.

paulaa

stoneill wrote: »

Great!
Just about to hand over our government to the British Chancellor, and just in time for a nice royal wedding too!
We had better stock up on the union jacks - we'll be waving them soon.

They're welcome to our government as long as they don't send them back to us.

We will be damn glad of a helping hand from the UK and Europe with the mess those morons have gotten us into

blinding

stoneill wrote: »

Great!
Just about to hand over our government to the British Chancellor, and just in time for a nice royal wedding too!
We had better stock up on the union jacks - we'll be waving them soon.

Jeez, have they agreed to take FFail off our backs.

Thats fierce obliging of them. I'd let them off with 100 years of the 800 years of oppresion if they did that. And if they agreed to keep FFail for keeps, jaysus I'd consider the other 700 years as well. Rule Brittania;)

JoeyJJ

We have a lot of Imports from and Exports to the UK so us having a hard time could affect them is some way, its in there interest that we keep chugging along.

Dotsie~tmp

They are on the hook for most of the bank debt it seems. No choice really. We hang together or swing seperately. They are in as much bother as us when off balance sheet bank support is added. If the rot isnt stopped here they will have to face it soon enough.

This childish sniping at our Euro partners has to stop. We are united in name but not in nature. If the EU cant stand together on this while under attack everything falls apart. It would be proof that it could never withstand any true crisis of the future without disolving into self interest. We are undeniably united in one way though, the debt morass of our banks. German included.

mike65

I heard that the UK banks are exposed to the tune of 80 billion Sterling add in several billions of export business to Ireland and it makes sense for them to throw the state a lifeline. Whether the proud fools in charge will accept the offer is another matter.

KeithAFC

I imagine certain parties will not like this.

cassette50

mike65 wrote: »

I heard that the UK banks are exposed to the tune of 80 billion Sterling add in several billions of export business to Ireland and it makes sense for them to throw the state a lifeline. Whether the proud fools in charge will accept the offer is another matter.

think it is closer to $230bn.....

blinding

cassette50 wrote: »

think it is closer to $230bn.....

A billion here and a billion there. After a while we could be talking real money.

johnnyskeleton

stoneill wrote: »

Great!
Just about to hand over our government to the British Chancellor, and just in time for a nice royal wedding too!
We had better stock up on the union jacks - we'll be waving them soon.

The union flag you mean?

In case you didn't realise we have been in a political and economic union with the UK for almost 40 years and we have had other treaties with them going back before that.

My name is URL

KeithAFC wrote: »

I imagine certain parties will not like this.

I imagine others will revel in the very idea of it, while the majority take it in stride and on face value without applying a separatist history to it

Rabble Rabble

Osbourne is from Tipp.


One of us.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Good news i suppose for the republic.

KeithAFC wrote: »

I imagine certain parties will not like this.

You really are quite the amusing chap.


Meh, if it has to be done it has to be done.

alfa beta

oh ffs - shur didn't we even contribute to the greek bail out package - didn't see us taking over any element of their government or their 'sovereignty' did it

(mind you I did receive a small bit of Corfu in the post last week as a thank you for my personal contribution!)

blinding

alfa beta wrote: »

oh ffs - shur didn't we even contribute to the greek bail out package - didn't see us taking over any element of their government or their 'sovereignty' did it

(mind you I did receive a small bit of Corfu in the post last week as a thank you for my personal contribution!)

Every body that owes a load of money should just loan everybody that owes a load of money a load of money. I don't think that the banks will ever be able to work out what is going on.

Now if everybody just pretends that this is'nt really happening then everybody should be okay.

This will only fail when some fool (honest person) tells us the truth.

We don't (really really) want to know the truth (frightening stuff)

Is the reason that we are in such a state that some fools (honest people) actually tell us what is really really going on.

gizmo555

Will Hutton of the Observer was on the RTE lunchtime radio news, saying that in his view such support would have to be conditional on an increase in our corporation tax rate.

Our rate is a sore point in the UK in particular, where rightly or wrongly, there is a widely held view that in Hutton's words we are "stealing their tax base".

GarlicBread

stoneill wrote: »

Great!
Just about to hand over our government to the British Chancellor, and just in time for a nice royal wedding too!
We had better stock up on the union jacks - we'll be waving them soon.

I heard him on the radio earlier, he said somthing about "Ireland being our closest neighbor" and the situation being of "concern". I must admit, for just a sec, i got a warm fuzzy feeling inside. IMO when ever has a senior member of the Tories ever spoken so affectionately about us!

Maybe they will take us a back after all. They can put us on economic life support just like the north and scotland :pac:.

mike65

gizmo555 wrote: »

Will Hutton of the Observer was on the RTE lunchtime radio news, saying that in his view such support would have to be conditional on an increase in our corporation tax rate.

Our rate is a sore point in the UK in particular, where rightly or wrongly, there is a widely held view that in Hutton's words we are "stealing their tax base".

Austrian finance minister has already hinted thats what will have to happen to get the money as far as he is concerned.

KeithAFC

GarlicBread wrote: »

I heard him on the radio earlier, he said somthing about "Ireland being our closest neighbor" and the situation being of "concern". I must admit, for just a sec, i got a warm fuzzy feeling inside. IMO when ever has a senior member of the Tories ever spoken so affectionately about us!

Maybe they will take us a back after all. They can put us on economic life support just like the north and scotland :pac:.

Would you want that?

A Dub in Glasgo

GarlicBread wrote: »

They can put us on economic life support just like .... scotland :pac:.

I think you need to aquaint yourself with some basic facts about Scotland's economic standing within the UK

BluntGuy

As misguided as the notion might be that some of our "sovereignty" would be taken from us if the UK aided in a potential bail-out, it would be nice to see "The Republican Party" get some comeuppance for all the "patriotism" crap they spout.

Holybejaysus

Maybe we should just cut the faux Republican crap and just call this how it is.

I'm sure all you X factor watching, non Irish speaking, Premiership soccer supports will lay and egg when I say this, but the fact is......

....Culturally, we practically are British. I don't say that lightly, but the people who would disagree are usually the worst type of hypocrites you can find.

Serious thought should be given to merging the two economies. I would have serious concerns as to whether the Irish have the maturity to handle our own affairs at this stage. There is just too much corruption, gombeenism, Me Fein-ism, and tribal mentality. We are, in short, an uncultured, backwards, primitive society. The cute hoor is promoted to power here, the clever shunned and forced abroad.

The British General was right when he was leaving Cobh-'Ireland Will Never Prosper Under The Irish'. History has proven him right unfortunately.
Is it time to admit that we are just not intellectually capable?

Your opinions for and against please.....

My name is URL

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Maybe we should just cut the faux Republican crap and just call this how it is.

I'm sure all you X factor watching, non Irish speaking, Premiership soccer supports will lay and egg when I say this, but the fact is......

....Culturally, we practically are British. I don't say that lightly, but the people who would disagree are usually the worst type of hypocrites you can find.

Pop-culturally perhaps we are similar. It's always humorous when someone basis the cultures of others solely on the likes of the X-Factor and football teams, leaving aside heritage and basic personal identity. that added to the fact that you're so quick to the make sweeping generalisation against anyone who may be opposed to this says more about you than them.

Personally, I don't care either way. It makes no odds to me whether we're indebted to the UK the EU/IMF or any other loan-shark.. I'd be much happier if we had no external interference with our fiscal management.

shadowninty

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Maybe we should just cut the faux Republican crap and just call this how it is.

I'm sure all you X factor watching, non Irish speaking, Premiership soccer supports will lay and egg when I say this, but the fact is......

....Culturally, we practically are British. I don't say that lightly, but the people who would disagree are usually the worst type of hypocrites you can find.

Serious thought should be given to merging the two economies. I would have serious concerns as to whether the Irish have the maturity to handle our own affairs at this stage. There is just too much corruption, gombeenism, Me Fein-ism, and tribal mentality. We are, in short, an uncultured, backwards, primitive society. The cute hoor is promoted to power here, the clever shunned and forced abroad.

The British General was right when he was leaving Cobh-'Ireland Will Never Prosper Under The Irish'. History has proven him right unfortunately.
Is it time to admit that we are just not intellectually capable?

Your opinions for and against please.....

Interesting
I wonder what do we have to lose by rejoining the UK

The EU will eventually take over our military/foreign policy anyway
And I'lk take the NHS anyday over the present system


It would just seem.. weird though


As for Scotland, if independent their banking crises would have been WORSE than ours
RBS
England took the hit
Jus' sayin'

A Dub in Glasgo

shadowninty wrote: »

As for Scotland, if independent their banking crises would have been WORSE than ours
RBS
England took the hit
Jus' sayin'

RBS is headquartered in Scotland but is very much a British bank. You cannot just state that if Scotland was independent then RBS would have crippled Scotland as in all likelihood the Scottish Government would not have allowed RBS to do what it was doing.

shadowninty

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

RBS is headquartered in Scotland but is very much a British bank. You cannot just state that if Scotland was independent then RBS would have crippled Scotland as in all likelihood the Scottish Government would not have allowed RBS to do what it was doing.

IIRC, the leader of the main independence party wanted to emulate the "successes" of Ireland and Iceland, one of the main strands of which was banking.
I doubt they would have done much better than London did at keeping an eye on RBS

mistermouse

Market speculation against Ireland is also quite alot of speculation against the Eurozone as a whole. It is in Britains interest to see a strong Europe.

Nevermind the benefits to Northern Ireland and Uk trade.

Lets not forget that UK companies like Tesco do very well in Ireland, so much so they won't separate their accounts that appear to hide the causes for high pricing here.

I also suspect that getting Ireland to take the bailout is a very clever way for all our EU 'Partners' to get movement on corporation tax, something they all have been trying to do for years.

NO Country in Europe feels sorry for us - they all have motives to see us accept help, be it the survival of the Euro or other motives.

Sadly we have little choice and are unlikely to get justice from those who caused the mess and put us in the position

dan_d

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Serious thought should be given to merging the two economies. I would have serious concerns as to whether the Irish have the maturity to handle our own affairs at this stage. There is just too much corruption, gombeenism, Me Fein-ism, and tribal mentality. We are, in short, an uncultured, backwards, primitive society. The cute hoor is promoted to power here, the clever shunned and forced abroad.

You're probably not wrong in what you're saying but my only issue is....how on earth are we supposed to learn otherwise if we end up back under British rule?? Every country has had it's moments along the line somewhere, guess it's just our turn at the moment.

Thing is...the world is just going to keep on turning anyway....

mike65

shadowninty wrote: »

IIRC, the leader of the main independence party wanted to emulate the "successes" of Ireland and Iceland, one of the main strands of which was banking.
I doubt they would have done much better than London did at keeping an eye on RBS

Alex Salmond and his "arc of prosperity" http://www.snp.org/node/10359