Is this true??

steddyeddy

Forgive me for asking this Im only back in ireland a few years and was educated in america but I have a ex girlfriend who is applying for a course in trinity as a mature student. She has all the relevant information and forms and told me over the phone that she might have a better chance of getting a place as the guidelines she reciveved stated that members of the church of ireland will be given special credit on application.

This sounds like bs to me but I cant find anything on it online so I thought I would ask you guys all the former alumni of trinity are all giving me different answers!

JonJoeDali

There are loads more scholarships for Protestants. Particularly for the sons/daughters of clergymen.

The liturgy is quite good at Trinity these days. The choir is excellent. Nothing like a good glass of sherry on a Sunday morning after service. And I'm a Catholic!

steddyeddy

JonJoeDali wrote: »

There are loads more scholarships for Protestants. Particularly for the sons/daughters of clergymen.

The liturgy is quite good at Trinity these days. The choir is excellent. Nothing like a good glass of sherry on a Sunday morning after service. And I'm a Catholic!

Well are protestant mature students picked over say jewish students I guess im asking?

Gae

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well are protestant mature students picked over say jewish students I guess im asking?

lol

steddyeddy

Gae wrote: »

lol

whats so funny about being jewish??

steddyeddy

to make it easier would a protestant person be picked or given special treatment compared to a person of another religion?

aas

steddyeddy wrote: »

whats so funny about being jewish??

It's probably the worst religion.

gearoidof

I don't know if it's true, but it's probably within their rights to discriminate favourably certain religions.
They have grants only available for women/men as well

Gae

If it was true I would expect a mention of it here: http://www.tcd.ie/Admissions/undergraduate/apply/eu/mature/

electrogrimey

Until the about the 70s they didn't even allow Catholics in, I wouldn't really be surprised.

Gae

electrogrimey wrote: »

Until the about the 70s they didn't even allow Catholics in, I wouldn't really be surprised.

Catholic bishops didn't allow Catholics attend, Trinity didn't have a problem with them.

electrogrimey

Gae wrote: »

Catholic bishops didn't allow Catholics attend, Trinity didn't have a problem with them.

Really? I've heard a lot about people having trouble getting in back then because of their religion. Apparently an official exception or something had to be made for my ma.

Gae

electrogrimey wrote: »

Really? I've heard a lot about people having trouble getting in back then because of their religion. Apparently an official exception or something had to be made for my ma.

Your ma had to look for an official exception off a Catholic bishop. Catholics who didn't want to get in trouble with the church had to ask permission to attend Trinity because the Catholic bishops didn't want Catholics getting 'corrupted'. They had to ask the bishop for special permission to attend - NOT Trinity. Trinity let them in no problem.

electrogrimey

Gae wrote: »

Your ma had to look for an official exception off a Catholic bishop. Catholics who didn't want to get in trouble with the church had to ask permission to attend Trinity because the Catholic bishops didn't want Catholics getting 'corrupted'. They had to ask the bishop for special permission to attend - NOT Trinity. Trinity let them in no problem.

No, what I heard was that she was a special case for Trinity, not for her religion. She don't even think she was a practicing Catholic at the time. Maybe I'm wrong, but all the stuff I've heard is definitely founded on something, not just the clergy having a problem with it.

JonJoeDali

Gae wrote: »

Your ma had to look for an official exception off a Catholic bishop. Catholics who didn't want to get in trouble with the church had to ask permission to attend Trinity because the Catholic bishops didn't want Catholics getting 'corrupted'. They had to ask the bishop for special permission to attend - NOT Trinity. Trinity let them in no problem.

In fairness, if you've read any of JP Dunleavy's books, you can see why the bishops wouldn't allow young men and women become corrupted. During the 50s and 60s, Trinity was a playground for rich but thick Anglo-Irish types mixed in with wealthy foreigners/diplomatic types. You don't see students driving Jaguars and MGs these days. The DU Motorcycle and Light Car Club is long dead. Once the Government forced Trinity to double their student numbers and Catholics started going en-masse, the whole culture changed - for the worse IMO. And we've just experienced a second cultural shift with the Celtic Tiger and a Bertie Ahern "I'm a socialist" philosophy towards education. God only knows what's ahead.

JonJoeDali

gearoidof wrote: »

I don't know if it's true, but it's probably within their rights to discriminate favourably certain religions.
They have grants only available for women/men as well

When you've loads of money, like to smoke cigars in 17 St Stephen's Green and decide to set up a trust for disabled persons from Swahili, more power to you. One tends to get more right wing as one gets older (which coincides with the life stage of greatest wealth). Let the lefties squirm and puff about "discrimination" and "equality".

Gae

electrogrimey wrote: »

No, what I heard was that she was a special case for Trinity, not for her religion. She don't even think she was a practicing Catholic at the time. Maybe I'm wrong, but all the stuff I've heard is definitely founded on something, not just the clergy having a problem with it.

I'm sorry, but no, this is not correct. She had to go to the bishop to ask permission - or risk excommunication. She may not have been a practicing Catholic herself but excommunication was a big deal back then and it would have had an affect on her family as well as her and probably not worth the risk.

Even the Wikipedia page is clear about this:

although Roman Catholics had been permitted to enter as early as 1753, certain restrictions on their membership of the college remained until 1873, and the Catholic Church in Ireland forbade its adherents from attending until the late 20th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_College,_Dublin

Trinity's own page says as much:

As early as 1793 Roman Catholics had been permitted to enter and to take degrees in Trinity. In 1854 non-foundation scholarships, open to candidates of all denominations, were instituted. In 1873 all religious tests, except those connected with the Divinity School, were abolished

http://www.tcd.ie/about/history/

steddyeddy

JonJoeDali wrote: »

When you've loads of money, like to smoke cigars in 17 St Stephen's Green and decide to set up a trust for disabled persons from Swahili, more power to you. One tends to get more right wing as one gets older (which coincides with the life stage of greatest wealth). Let the lefties squirm and puff about "discrimination" and "equality".

right wing attitudes like some of the older more backward people luckily have a short lifespan

JonJoeDali

steddyeddy wrote: »

right wing attitudes like some of the older more backward people luckily have a short lifespan

“Show me a young Conservative and I’ll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I’ll show you someone with no brains.”

steddyeddy

JonJoeDali wrote: »

“Show me a young Conservative and I’ll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I’ll show you someone with no brains.”

luckily people in reality are not so polarised as to fit into to neatly described forms of outlook

electrogrimey

certain restrictions on their membership of the college remained until 1873

In 1873 all religious tests were abolished

So there were restrictions on entry on the basis of religion until the 70s.

goingnowhere

To clarify matters

The original restrictions on entry were relaxed in 1753, bear in mind at that time English rule made it all but impossible for a catholic to attend. The site on which Trinity stands was what was left of Old Hallows a monastery destroyed during Henry the 8th reformation and adopting a state religion of his choosing. Trinity admitted/graduated catholic's (and women) before either Oxford or Cambridge

The ban generally applied to the Diocese of Dublin, where John Charles McQuaid was archbishop, permission was generally refused, other diocese where easier going. Despite the ban if you wanted to study something only available in Trinity or a professional degree e.g. Medicine permission was forthcoming quite easily, though you did have to met the bishop in person.

The ban was lifted in 1970, the first Roman catholic chaplain arrived in 1971 and the College chapel was opened to the main Christian traditions in 1973, until then mass was in the public theatre/exam hall. Recall UCD was founded by Cardinal Newman to be a catholic alternative to TCD, curiously though Cardinal Newman spent much time in Oriel Oxford where there is a relic behind the organ in the Anglican chapel, Oriel is a sister College of TCD

Religion is not a factor in any admissions process, though it may be a factor in some of the stranger prizes and scholarships, see the university calendar

evercloserunion

JonJoeDali wrote: »

When you've loads of money, like to smoke cigars in 17 St Stephen's Green and decide to set up a trust for disabled persons from Swahili, more power to you. One tends to get more right wing as one gets older (which coincides with the life stage of greatest wealth). Let the lefties squirm and puff about "discrimination" and "equality".

You're pretty much just here to troll then.

Gae

electrogrimey wrote: »

So there were restrictions on entry on the basis of religion until the 70s.

The 1870s not the 1970s. Was your mother in Trinity in the 1870s? Because they didn't even let women in back then.

electrogrimey

Gae wrote: »

The 1870s not the 1970s. Was your mother in Trinity in the 1870s? Because they didn't even let women in back then.

Ha, didn't notice that! Ok.

steddyeddy

goingnowhere wrote: »

To clarify matters

The original restrictions on entry were relaxed in 1753, bear in mind at that time English rule made it all but impossible for a catholic to attend. The site on which Trinity stands was what was left of Old Hallows a monastery destroyed during Henry the 8th reformation and adopting a state religion of his choosing. Trinity admitted/graduated catholic's (and women) before either Oxford or Cambridge

The ban generally applied to the Diocese of Dublin, where John Charles McQuaid was archbishop, permission was generally refused, other diocese where easier going. Despite the ban if you wanted to study something only available in Trinity or a professional degree e.g. Medicine permission was forthcoming quite easily, though you did have to met the bishop in person.

The ban was lifted in 1970, the first Roman catholic chaplain arrived in 1971 and the College chapel was opened to the main Christian traditions in 1973, until then mass was in the public theatre/exam hall. Recall UCD was founded by Cardinal Newman to be a catholic alternative to TCD, curiously though Cardinal Newman spent much time in Oriel Oxford where there is a relic behind the organ in the Anglican chapel, Oriel is a sister College of TCD

Religion is not a factor in any admissions process, though it may be a factor in some of the stranger prizes and scholarships, see the university calendar[/QUOTE

what I am refering to is a mature student entry there definatly seems to be some provision regarding religion attached

JonJoeDali

evercloserunion wrote: »

You're pretty much just here to troll then.

You shouldn't discriminate against trolls. Your "equality" philosophy has exceptions it seems.

I demand a trust for trolls to attend Trinity.