Luas over-crowding

hamlet1

had to get the luas from connolly to heuston last week.what a nightmare!there was a junkie strung out on something,a girl shouting very loudly into her phone the whole way and even though it was jammed full as it was rush hour,someone got on with a doublebuggy and didnt give a damn about anyone or all the room she was taking up.her kids roared and screeched and she was as bad.buggies should be banned at rush hour.god help those of you who have to travel that line every day.

chin_grin

You are FROM Dublin aren't you?

Find this a pretty pointless rant when you get this at any time of the day on any mode of public transport.

JosDel

hamlet1 wrote: »

had to get the luas from connolly to heuston last week.what a nightmare!there was a junkie strung out on something,a girl shouting very loudly into her phone the whole way and even though it was jammed full as it was rush hour,someone got on with a doublebuggy and didnt give a damn about anyone or all the room she was taking up.her kids roared and screeched and she was as bad.buggies should be banned at rush hour.god help those of you who have to travel that line every day.

I use the luas twice a day for work and have seen some sights over the last few years, The latest is this young foreign guy who gets on at abbey street and walks from one end of the tram to the other and back again begging..

arybvtcw0eolkf

OP, I feel this is more a transport issue TBH.

Mods throw it back over if you want and I'll lock it down there.

January

hamlet1 wrote: »

had to get the luas from connolly to heuston last week.what a nightmare!there was a junkie strung out on something,a girl shouting very loudly into her phone the whole way and even though it was jammed full as it was rush hour,someone got on with a doublebuggy and didnt give a damn about anyone or all the room she was taking up.her kids roared and screeched and she was as bad.buggies should be banned at rush hour.god help those of you who have to travel that line every day.

So mothers with buggies who want to travel on the LUAS during rush hour are supposed to store their buggy, where? There are no luggage racks as far as I remember.

Carawaystick

adrieanne__x wrote: »

So mothers with buggies who want to travel on the LUAS during rush hour are supposed to store their buggy, where? There are no luggage racks as far as I remember.

Hey, Da's mind kids these days too ya know!

The OP didn't have to get the tram, they could have got a bus, which are often faster.

Jim

Carawaystick wrote: »

Hey, Da's mind kids these days too ya know!

The OP didn't have to get the tram, they could have got a bus, which are often faster.

Usually cheaper too depending on where you're going.

My record for fist fights on the LUAS is three in a single trip.

HivemindXX

Have you ever tried to get around with a double buggy? I very much doubt you were more inconvenienced than the mother who had to get on to a crowded Luas with one was.

You had to go ALL THE WAY from Connolly to Heuston? With a "junkie", someone on their phone and a buggy with crying children. Oh the humanity.

You think people with buggies should be banned at rush hour? I think you should walk next time. Spend the extra time learning what capital letters are and when they should be used.

Jehuty42

Nobody made her have children. The rest of the world doesn't owe her anything.

January

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Nobody made her have children. The rest of the world doesn't owe her anything.

Oh come on, yeah nobody made anyone one have children but why should she be barred from travelling on a mode of public transport at rush hour because she did?

hobochris

adrieanne__x wrote: »

Oh come on, yeah nobody made anyone one have children but why should she be barred from travelling on a mode of public transport at rush hour because she did?

At the same time why should anyone else be inconvenienced by her decision to bring a child into this world?

Cookie_Monster

and why should anyone have to suffer smelly obnoxious junkies

Breezer

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Nobody made her have children. The rest of the world doesn't owe her anything.

That has got to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read on this forum. You know, many people actually go out of their way to facilitate mothers with children. Children are sort of necessary for the survival of the species.

But to take your point to its conclusion: no one made the OP get a job (or whatever he was doing) near Connolly, no one made him get a tram there, no one made him get this particular tram there, no one made him get on at Heuston rather than further back along the line where he'd have gotten a seat, etc. etc.

hobochris wrote: »

At the same time why should anyone else be inconvenienced by her decision to bring a child into this world?

You must live quite a convenient life. You'll be quite happy she did when the child is paying your pension, allowing you to continue your convenient life into old age.

Victor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FQsg12hoY

While I'm not advocating situations like in the video, every transport system is busy at rush hour.

hamlet1 wrote: »

someone got on with a doublebuggy and didnt give a damn about anyone or all the room she was taking up.

Do you mean the room the three of them were taking up?

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Nobody made her have children. The rest of the world doesn't owe her anything.

hobochris wrote: »

At the same time why should anyone else be inconvenienced by her decision to bring a child into this world?

How do you know what her personal circumstances are? what if she was a rape victim or had an abusive partner?

DDigital

Victor wrote: »

what if she was a rape victim or had an abusive partner?

As an attempt to justify the right of a woman to get on the luas with her buggy and children, (Ive read the thread) this is way OTT and irrelevant. We don't need to go this far to justify a parent and childs right to use public transport. It just draws attention to hobochris's idiotic statement and lends it more credibility than it deserves.

Whippersnapper

Do they not make buggies that fold up anymore? Our parents used to have to fold the pram every time we used a bus or else walk to where we were going.

Why do people have to push mobile nurseries with jeep wheels these days?

January

Whippersnapper wrote: »

Do they not make buggies that fold up anymore? Our parents used to have to fold the pram every time we used a bus or else walk to where we were going.

Why do people have to push mobile nurseries with jeep wheels these days?

They do, the problem is there is nowhere to store them on the LUAS. There are no luggage racks. So they'd have to fold the buggy and hold it on the tram while trying to hold the child also.

AlekSmart

Do they not make buggies that fold up anymore? Our parents used to have to fold the pram every time we used a bus or else walk to where we were going.

Why do people have to push mobile nurseries with jeep wheels these days?

A valid point Whippersnapper,and one which merits some attention from both Operators and Customers.

Notwithstanding Adriennex`s point about Luas stowage room,the situation on buses is far worse as we do not have the multiple door,delay free boarding of the Tram.

We have long since passed the point where Baby Carriages are vewed as functional items which are there to be used to enable a parent and baby to use public transport.

Instead we see an extension of the "Newest,Biggest Car on The Road" syndrome whereby if one is`nt at the helm of a Range Rover Sport outside the school one is a failure.

Very few people appear to see the dangers inherent in attempting to force a large weighty metal and plastic contrivance onto an already well filled Bus.

It`s not only about facilitating the Parent,this can only be done with a degree of compromise on both sides.

I am regularly subject to aggressive attempts to force very large buggies on board even when the "Space" is already occupied.

"I`ll get it in sideways" or "There`s room for two" are remarks oft directed at me...You Won`t and there`s Not being my usual reply,which then alters the mood considerably whilst bring a far earthier vocabulary into play.

I often enquire if the person would place their child sideways on the front-seat of their car which again prompts a pithy response or two....

There is,I believe a substantial opportunity for co-operation between Bus Manufacturers,Buggy Manufacturers and Public Transport Operators to design,build and market a range of small,lightweight buggies specifically designed for Public Transport.

Operators could subsidise these by offering Free Passes or Cashback options to purchasers whilst manufacturers could gain volume sales in return.

Not for the first time has Michael O Leary`s Ryanair stolen a march here with their "Samsonite-Ryanair Approved" luggage range.

I realize that it`s not in our national physche to be adventurous or challenging in our approach to day-to-day issues,our economy bears witness to that,but like much else this problem will continue to worsen unless we start thinking outside the box !

Cookie_Monster

Alek, while you could do all that a much simpler and more effective way to reduce the problem would be to charge people a full fair for buggies they are unwilling to fold up and stow. They do take up the same space as 3-4 standing people anyway.

BrianD

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Alek, while you could do all that a much simpler and more effective way to reduce the problem would be to charge people a full fair for buggies they are unwilling to fold up and stow. They do take up the same space as 3-4 standing people anyway.

As AlekSmart says the key is compromise. Public transport should be buggy/pram friendly but people should also have teh common sense to travel with the buggies outside of peak times. When this is unavoidable they should have to compromise by folding the buggy. Forward planning is involved which eludes some people!

Goonerette

People with huge prams trying to force their way onto packed Red Line trams (usually it happens at Jervis) during the evening rush hour are very annoying. Usually these well-mannered ladies (:rolleyes:) won't even wait for the passengers to get off the tram, leaving space for them to enter with their gigantic prams, no. They will instead just plow their way through people and obstruct the doors so no one can get on or off or even loudly demand that people move out of the way, as if there is any space left to move to.

Now, I have every bit of sympathy for mothers and fathers with young children travelling on public transport, it really is an ordeal, but is a bit of common sense too much to ask? You're already taking up space that 5 people would normally occupy and inconveniencing everyone else, so no need to be obnoxious about it as well. :rolleyes:

Jehuty42

Breezer wrote: »

That has got to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read on this forum. You know, many people actually go out of their way to facilitate mothers with children. Children are sort of necessary for the survival of the species.

Maybe I don't want to see the survival of the species? Children are necessary, but they should not be imposed on me or anyone else. The less seen and heard of them, the better.

NuMarvel

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Maybe I don't want to see the survival of the species? Children are necessary, but they should not be imposed on me or anyone else. The less seen and heard of them, the better.

Children on public transport are no more being imposed upon you than any other type of person on public transport is being imposed upon you. If encountering children on the LUAS is an issue for you, then maybe public transport isn't for you?

CIE

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Maybe I don't want to see the survival of the species? Children are necessary, but they should not be imposed on me or anyone else. The less seen and heard of them, the better.

Maybe this isn't the forum to discuss your misanthropy?

As for this Luas system, it's way under-built. As a victim of its own "success" (relatively speaking), not even 40-m-long trams are enough. They do indeed make the Citadis with Scharfenberg couplers, for multiple-unit operation, but it looks like nobody at the RPA thought of that.

Cookie_Monster

NuMarvel wrote: »

Children on public transport are no more being imposed upon you than any other type of person on public transport is being imposed upon you. If encountering children on the LUAS is an issue for you, then maybe public transport isn't for you?

but why should a child in a buggy not paying a fare have priority over 2-3 fare paying people?

January

Because CIE have determined that children under the age of 3 do not have to pay. If Dublin Bus have a space for buggies/wheelchairs (and that's exactly what it is, either/or) then a buggy should have the right to use it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ignorant, if the bus is crowded when it gets to my stop then I will fold my buggy and hold my child on my lap, but if the bus arrives empty and there is space for me to get on without the hassle of trying to fold a buggy while holding onto a child then by god I'll do the easiest thing for me. If someone wants to get on at a later stop with a wheelchair, then I'll fold the buggy and hold my child (it's happened on occasion), but it's a lot easier to keep a child strapped in a buggy than try have them sitting on your lap and wanting to get down and run around on a moving bus, where they're more likely to cause a fuss if they can't.

I don't impose my children on anybody, if I'm on public transport they're kept as quiet as is reasonably possible, they get irritated, but I don't sit there watching them going "oh haha, kids, they're so cute when they're screaming!" I try to be proactive in keeping them quiet and distracting them, but sometimes it's not possible. I don't apologize to anybody if I've tried and they just won't shut up, I can't gag them, so there's nothing I can do about it.

Oliver1985

What must tourists think when they see all these junkies on the luas? :eek:

NuMarvel

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but why should a child in a buggy not paying a fare have priority over 2-3 fare paying people?

I didn't say that they did or didn't have priority, I said they weren't being imposed upon the poster in question no more than anyone else using public transport is being imposed upon him/her.

The decision that children under 3 are free on the LUAS was a decision made by either Veolia, the RPA or the Dept of Transport so fare paying or non fare paying doesn't come into it. Unless there's a genuine hazard to the passengers health and safety, then public transport needs to be accessible to ALL members of the public. Beyond that, it's first come, first serve.

NuMarvel

Oliver1985 wrote: »

What must tourists think when they see all these junkies on the luas? :eek:

What tourists?

DDigital

Looks like public transport is a mans world in practice and commentary.:rolleyes:

L1011

DDigital wrote: »

Looks like public transport is a mans world in practice and commentary.:rolleyes:

what does anything said about buggies make it a 'mans world'? I fully intend to have kids with the female involvement ending at delivery...

Rodin

I think the Luas should have cameras fitted and have live streaming.
It'd be the greatest soap opera ever.

dfx-

Jim wrote: »

My record for fist fights on the LUAS is three in a single trip.

That's solidly impressive.

My current record is one drunk xenophobic beating at Smithfield, two brats hanging on the rear cabin's wipers between Drimnagh and Blackhorse and a stone thrown at Cookstown.:cool:

I've avoided the Luas since the hand-me-down trams on the Red Line, so maybe that's an average trip now and I was travelling on Saturday nights with 18 minutes per tram, which would skew the total in favour of violence in fairness

BrianD

dfx- wrote: »

That's solidly impressive.

My current record is one drunk xenophobic beating at Smithfield, two brats hanging on the rear cabin's wipers between Drimnagh and Blackhorse and a stone thrown at Cookstown.:cool:

Remember a few years ago there was a fashion of kids hanging onto the back of HGVs and hitching a ride?

I've avoided the Luas since the hand-me-down trams on the Red Line, so maybe that's an average trip now and I was travelling on Saturday nights with 18 minutes per tram, which would skew the total in favour of violence in fairness

What are the "hand-me-down" trams?

Captain Chaos

BrianD wrote: »

What are the "hand-me-down" trams?

They are the 4000 series 40m trams that were transfared from the green to the red line when the green line started to take delivery of the new 50m 5000 series.

They are no different than the 3000 series that always were on the red line. Now that all the 3000s series have got the extra module added to bring them up to the same length as the 4000s.

BrianD

Captain Chaos wrote: »

They are the 4000 series 40m trams that were transfared from the green to the red line when the green line started to take delivery of the new 50m 5000 series.

They are no different than the 3000 series that always were on the red line. Now that all the 3000s series have got the extra module added to bring them up to the same length as the 4000s.

So the rolling stock is all the same age and bought for the same transport network - I wouldn't really class them as 'hand me downs'.

veryangryman

Oliver1985 wrote: »

What must tourists think when they see all these junkies on the luas? :eek:

99% of tourists dont use the Luas I would estimate

LevelSpirit

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Maybe I don't want to see the survival of the species? Children are necessary, but they should not be imposed on me or anyone else. The less seen and heard of them, the better.

I think we could do without the species that frequents the Red line alright.

SEriously though, it never ceases to amaze me how civilized the green Luas is and what a cattle train of junkies on the Red line.

Hayzooz

It's always the same sh*t on here.

"You're lucky to have the Luas" etc etc.

It's a piece of sh*t. It's ticket machines are surrounded by beggars and it has a total lack of policing.

In other words, if something happens to you on the Luas, it's up to you to defend yourself.

No security, no police, just retrospective cameras to record your face taking a battering.

And every time, the argument here is 'you should count yerself lucky to have it'.

It's crapóla. The exact same thinking that kept FF in government for years. "You're lucky to have it"

A disgrace.

And the usual shower of arse-clowns here will say "oh, it's not as bad as the night train to Sarajevo" or the f*cking "early dawn train to Dubrovnik"

Yes it probably isn't that bad, but it's still sh*t.

I've never felt as unsafe anywhere in Europe, USA, Australia, NZ as I did on the Luas redline.....if some junkie kicks off, it's you against them.

It is, truly, a disgraceful "service"

dfx-

BrianD wrote: »

So the rolling stock is all the same age and bought for the same transport network - I wouldn't really class them as 'hand me downs'.

Well, they're not needed for their old use, but still suitable for its younger brother..hand-me-downs.:)

Victor

Actually, the 4000-series trams (originally 40m long) are newer than the 3000-series (originally 30m long, extended to 40m).

That is the "hand-me-downs" are newer.

KC61

I've read some nonsense in my time here but talk of hand-me-downs really is ludicrous. The trams have switched lines to factilitate the extensions to the Point and Saggart.

The 3000 series (30 metres long) and 4000 series (40 metres) trams were delivered at the same time. The 3000s to the Red Line and the 4000s for the Green Line.

The 3000 series have now all been lengthened to 40m and are identical to the 4000 series which are transferring over to the Red Line to facilitate the introduction of services to Saggart next spring.

The Green Line now uses the 5000 series which are 50m long.

wolfpawnat

hamlet1 wrote: »

buggies should be banned at rush hour.god help those of you who have to travel that line every day.

There are 4 buggy/wheelchair spaces on the luas that passes my house. If ignorant cúnts didn't place their shopping bags and luggage bags there my "jeep" would be where it is supposed to be and not in everyones way!!!!!

The buses to my area are irregular and often have a buggy on them, if I need to get to town at rush hour with my child and I pay my fare you have no right to say I cannot go in there. Legally my son and I have just the same rights as you to use this transport!

was.deevey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STNWc7Rlpfk

Now thats proper overcrowding:D !!

99% of tourists dont use the Luas I would estimate

Probably because it doesn't pass any real tourist spots or hotels on route now does it ?

Derfil

On the red line one evening and heroin Dub mum starts roaring at some old lad" Get your elbow off me Fu*Ken tit..." in fairness the red line is a farce seen it all on that line including druggies injecting themselves, to 8 and 9 year old scum bags making a nuisance of themselves. Nothing like that on the green line.

corktina

hobochris wrote: »

At the same time why should anyone else be inconvenienced by her decision to bring a child into this world?

got no kids then Chris eh?:rolleyes:

JuliusCaesar

This is a CRAZY discussion. We were all babies - yes, and children - once. Of course people can bring their buggies on the Luas. There'd be more room for them if people didn't insist on sitting on the fold-down seats at rush hour. They are not supposed to be used then, to make more room for people. Did none of you ever read that little sign? (Just like nobody pays attention to letting people off the tram first...)


But if we are going to charge people extra, well there was a large fat man wearing a big rucksack on the Luas the other day, who kept hitting me in the head* everytime he moved - because he didn't take his rucksack off. He should have been charge 3 tickets: 2 for himself, being the size of 2 of me, and once more for the blinking rucksack.



*with the rucksack
There!