Bad fellas limerick rte 1 9.35

munstergirl

From limerick tonight

babyoncocaine

is it about the welfare whores of ireland

munstergirl

Anyone watch it, thought it was quite sad how a few families can ruin an area.

City looked beautiful from the ariel shots.

Steve Collins don't have words what to say. But hope the future is good.

watchingthepols

Listening to Willie O'Dea you would never realise that he had been a government minister for most of the past 13 years.

Limerick politicians must be held accountable for what has happened on their watch.

langdang

munstergirl wrote: »

Anyone watch it, thought it was quite sad how a few families can ruin an area.

Seems the seeds were sown a long time ago through appalling management and planning. That background just gave the more recent arrivals the perfect opportunity to do what they do.

Ya, Dilly o'Wee didn't have much to say on the whole thing did he?

topper75

Replicating the Southill errors on the northside was a critical mistake. But I suppose there was pressure for housing, and where could they have put the applicants otherwise.

It's the old adage of the bad apple ruining the others in the barrel alright.

Sadly I can't see the NY "zero tolerance" approach coming anytime soon sadly.

dartsfan

Haven't seen this episode but the second episode on drugs was re-hashing much of the same old stuff we've heard from Paul Reynolds and co before.

Is this episode any different?

dave 27

I think it was quite an honest portrayal of the city, It showed how the people of Limerick were fed up with all the crime that a few people were involved in, literally a whole city against this small few people, so hopefully people from outside Limerick will start to realise its not all that bad, just a few bad eggs in a bath!

Any way of getting hold of the aerial pics? those were really cool, they didnt show the bigger suburbs of raheen and castletroy..would have liked to see them too!

Raiser

dave 27 wrote: »

It showed how the people of Limerick were fed up with all the crime that a few people were involved in, literally a whole city against this small few people

This is true.

Its a pity nothing can be done.

- If only the State could collect money from its Citizens via the PAYE system and give it to some sort of a Force to uphold the Law and convict the two-bit, half-arséd Scum who are ruining our City........

electron

can i watch it on youtube or someplace?

SeaFields

electron wrote: »

can i watch it on youtube or someplace?

Its on RTE player.

Holybejaysus

watchingthepols wrote: »

Listening to Willie O'Dea you would never realise that he had been a government minister for most of the past 13 years.

Limerick politicians must be held accountable for what has happened on their watch.

With all respect, what would you have him do? O Dea was howling for the ERU to be deployed on the streets of Limerick, and the ended up spending the entire budget there in a few months. O Dea always struck me as very clued in when it came to fighting the gangs in Limerick.

As you might be aware, the people are in extraordinary fear of the criminals.
The courts are having trouble even getting juries to sit for the cases. Some openly state they are too afraid. If I was in the same situation I would be too.

I must say, Roy Collins struck me as an incredibly brave person. God only knows what it's like to live under that kind of intimidation. It must also have been very insulting and frustrating when the bleeding heart liberals (Irish Council for Civil Liberties, take a bow) were objecting when the anti gangland legislation was introduced. Thankfully it was passed, and the tide is slowly beginning to turn on the gangsters. I think the State Prosecutor was right when he described them as a threat to the state.

flutered

the guy who who cleaned up N.Y. offered his services and that of 32 hand picked officers, FREE, they were to start in dublin then move to limerick, but our then t-shock gombeen aherne told them to swivel. the irish americans in N.Y. and N.J. who i know could not believe that they were refused.

electron

a very good and informative piece of television. stop worrying about limerick's image btw nobody thinks everyone in limerick is a scumbag.

Holybejaysus

flutered wrote: »

the guy who who cleaned up N.Y. offered his services and that of 32 hand picked officers, FREE, they were to start in dublin then move to limerick, but our then t-shock gombeen aherne told them to swivel. the irish americans in N.Y. and N.J. who i know could not believe that they were refused.

I hadn't heard of this-I can only assume it was refused on the basis that it would have made the situation look even worse than it was i.e. 'IRISH STATE NOT CAPABLE OF CRIME FIGHTING, DRAFTS IN OUTSIDE HELP' or some such tabloid headline. Also, there's no such thing as a free lunch, I'm sure the offer came with some strings attached.
Still though, if you are correct they should certainly have accepted clandestine advice....if they're not already? Ooh, tin foil hat for me!

RonMexico

One thing that struck me were the comments made regarding the approach of the NYPD towards anti-social behavior. There they have a pro-active police force who do not tolerate gangs hanging around corners at 6pm drinking cans and looking for trouble. They are dealt with immediately. Why? So that they cannot run amok later on in the night when they are drunk and high, smashing windows and harassing terrified people in their own homes.

Here we have a reactive police force, they wait for trouble to happen and turn up when it is too late and the damage is done.

The approach in New York drove the gangs off the streets. It worked.

OUR POLITICIANS DO NOT HAVE THE BOTTLE OR THE WILL TO TACKLE THIS PROBLEM

sun_moon_stars

I know what im about to say is a harsh view on things but im extremely angry.
I think that execution should be brought back in certain cases, it would free up the jails and the tax payers wont be shelling out to hold scumbags in cells who then are classed some kind of god. When they are released they have made more contacts and are more vicious and cause more damage to society.
This isnt something that will go away its getting worse all the time and people are afraid to stand up why should we be intimidated for doing whats right im over the legal age to drink and i still get asked for id im not going to go back to the place and shoot the barman for doing his job!!
We are society we need to be protected not them i bet they all sat around last night having a good ol laugh at what they have done meanwhile innocent families have to be protected day and night while they are doing normal things law abiding citizens have a right to do... live their lives

Raiser

RonMexico wrote: »

Here we have a reactive police force, they wait for trouble to happen and turn up when it is too late and the damage is done.

The approach in New York drove the gangs off the streets. It worked.

We don't even have a reactive Force - We have People who are willing to arrive in Squad Cars and take statements well after the event has run its course and the Victims are laid out.

- They are like the Office Administrators of Justice, all paper clips and filed reports.

Sofa King Great

flutered wrote: »

the guy who who cleaned up N.Y. offered his services and that of 32 hand picked officers, FREE, they were to start in dublin then move to limerick, but our then t-shock gombeen aherne told them to swivel. the irish americans in N.Y. and N.J. who i know could not believe that they were refused.

There are plenty of Gardai capable of dealing with the situation. The problem is the light sentences being handed out and the fact that the Garda Ombudsman is watching their every move.

RonMexico

That is of course a problem but it shouldn't stop the Gardai from dealing with gangs of youths hanging around causing trouble. Unfortunately most of them just ignore the youths and drive past. They need to get in their face and break these gangs up.

electron

how do you police minors who cannot be jailed and whose parents simply won't give a fk?

RonMexico

You do what other countries do and change the law and stop dicking around.

watchingthepols

Holybejaysus wrote: »

With all respect, what would you have him do? O Dea was howling for the ERU to be deployed on the streets of Limerick, and the ended up spending the entire budget there in a few months. O Dea always struck me as very clued in when it came to fighting the gangs in Limerick.

From the Limerick Leader 2008

"Figures were published earlier this week which show that Minister O'Dea facilitated 29 representations. Amongst them were a request for the transfer of a murder suspect back to Limerick from Dublin prison, the Christmas Day release of a drug dealer and the temporary release of another drug dealer so he could get married." http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/It39s-war-Minister-O39Dea-V.4760933.jp

O'Dea was Limerick's man at the cabinet table for nearly 13 years while this problem went from bad to worse. At one point he was actually junior minister in the department of justice, not that you would know it from the crime situation in Limerick.

electron

RonMexico wrote: »

You do what other countries do and change the law and stop dicking around.

how? what kind of change?

gaf1983

sun_moon_stars wrote: »

I know what im about to say is a harsh view on things but im extremely angry.
I think that execution should be brought back in certain cases, it would free up the jails and the tax payers wont be shelling out to hold scumbags in cells who then are classed some kind of god. When they are released they have made more contacts and are more vicious and cause more damage to society.

I wouldn't be one to go down the capital punishment route cos I'm opposed to it for a number of reasons.

However, what might be a cheaper option, would be this:

At present, the Government deports failed asylum seekers to their home countries. Usually Third World Countries. Often, just to make up the numbers, the Irish government has to chip in with other EU states to charter planes. Surely these planes still have seats available. Why not strike some sort of deal with the prison authorities in these countries to house our Irish inmates?

Because the cost of living in these countries is so much cheaper, it would be far cheaper to keep Irish prisoners there. You can be damn sure it would be a real punishment - banishment from their friends and family as well as none of the taxpayer-funded comforts in Irish prisons. Plus they wouldn't get the chance to develop contacts with other Irish scumbags inside too.

eroo

Raiser wrote: »

We don't even have a reactive Force - We have People who are willing to arrive in Squad Cars and take statements well after the event has run its course and the Victims are laid out.

- They are like the Office Administrators of Justice, all paper clips and filed reports.

I am personally getting sick and tired of your repetitive Garda bashing which seems to be your main contribution to this forum.

The Gardai are in dire need of resources and numbers all over the country; they continuously tackle the anti social element in this city but are repeatedly let down by the Courts.

It's negative armchair experts such as yourself who criticise AGS over and over again, yet if your car is broken into or someone is in your house at 4am who will you call?

Your posts are idiotic.

michael999999

Raiser wrote: »

This is true.

Its a pity nothing can be done.

- If only the State could collect money from its Citizens via the PAYE system and give it to some sort of a Force to uphold the Law and convict the two-bit, half-arséd Scum who are ruining our City........

G-A-R-D-A-I

Raiser

eroo wrote: »

I am personally getting sick and tired of your repetitive Garda bashing which seems to be your main contribution to this forum.

So you are personally tired of People criticising the Gardaí, well oh dear, thats a tough old role for you then isn't it ?????

- I live in a City where when People ring 999 a lot of the time assurances are made but nothing happens - Have a read of this thread and perhaps decide if People have a right to be a tad pisséd off.

Where do you live ?

For the record, I do of course realise that there are good and diligent Gardaí out there but I honestly believe the whole system is broken, absolutely not functioning and nobody is willing to admit this fact. I don't hold the ordinary, hard working Garda on the beat accountable but I do reserve the right to criticise the Gardaí as a whole for their failings in the same way as any individual, organisation or entity deserves criticism for miserable failure.

Finally if you are a decent Garda then I have no gripe with you personally - In fact best of luck to you and well done because you must have to work 10 times harder than you should to carry the dead weight and to cope with the botched system in place.

eroo

I'm not a Garda.

Sweeping generilisations are all your posts contain. You have no idea how understaffed Limerick Gardai are, sometimes only having 1 car free to respond to calls.

RonMexico

Yet Fachtna Murphy trots out the usual bull**** about the Gardai having adequate resources. Maybe they should come out with the truth for once and force the Government to give them the support they need.

Raiser

eroo wrote: »

I'm not a Garda.

Sweeping generilisations are all your posts contain. You have no idea how understaffed Limerick Gardai are, sometimes only having 1 car free to respond to calls.

Personally if I was a Garda I too would prefer to be out in Monaleen trying to work out what happened sexy Mrs. O'Briens Wheelie Bin than to be intimidated and harassed in Moyross or Weston - Truth is that Gardai get blooded in Limerick and try and get out alive once their time is served and who could blame them - doesn't earn any respect though and it certainly doesn't deserve it, especially when the consequences are People living in fear and misery waiting for their next window to be put in. Their fcuk me I'm not getting involved in this sh1t mentality is obvious on so many levels.

How many first world Countrys can you name that have zero response to an emergency Police call after 1/2 hours??????????

It's not acceptable and if you'd prefer to dismiss that as a "sweeping generalisation" then thats just your penchant for praising abysmal standards in Society.......

eroo

You are wrong. Your attitude is too.

But you seem to be an expert from that armchair of yours. Keep living in the dream world.