Free Energy Suppression

Yitzhak Rabin

Timespan:1930's to present day

Introduction: Free energy suppression is a conspiracy theory that claims that advanced technology that would reshape current electrical generation methods is being suppressed by certain special interest groups. These groups are usually related to the oil industry, to whom current energy generation technology is profitable.

The Conspiracy: Free energy suppression is a wide ranging conspiracy and can relate to the suppression of literal free energies that break the established laws of conservation of energy, to simply the suppression of cleaner and more efficient renewable energies. Generally, it is used to refer to purported transformative technologies which have the potential to dramatically reduce personal energy costs with relatively little capital investment.

There have been many different possible examples of working free energy devices that have been suppressed, such as:

Thomas Henry Moray's Moray Valve

Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell which caused a stir in the 90s.



Many claim he was murdered by Oil company operatives for his work.

One of the most famous 'types' of proposed free energy is cold fusion. This is an extremely contentious issue. One of the main proponents of it is Eugene Mallove, who wrote about it in his book fire from ice

Mallove also died in suspicious circumstances, during a bungled robbery of his home in 2004.

Current proponents who are still alive include Tom Bearden and Gordon Novel. Both believe that cold fusion technologies are being supressed by special interest groups. Novel claims a group called Majestic 12 (MJ12) are behind it. He also claims that he and other scientists have formed their own secret group to work on the release of free energy which has been available for over a century, called The Temporal Knights.

Motive: If free energy was a reality, it would essentially mean the end of the capitalist system, and people could no longer profit from the supply of energy. Energy is the root of every single economic activity. It can all be traced back to energy. If this was free, there would be unlimited resources.

Conclusions: While I am not personally convinced that pure free energy could exist, I do think that it would be in large oil companies to suppress research into more efficient energies such as cold fusion. It is a topic which interest me, and would be very interested to hear from people who know more about the topic than I do.

Interesting Threads: There was a very interesting thread, in which our very own MahatmaCoat built and used a type of energy efficiency device called a Joe Cell, however it was moved to a different forum. Its worth a read though. http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055501288

Discussion of this thread is located here

profitius

Anybody know how Steorn are doing these days?

profitius

profitius wrote: »

Anybody know how Steorn are doing these days?

Same as usual. Offering people the once in a lifetime chance to buy into a totally implausible device that has failed the only independent test they allowed it to be put through.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056084979

You'd think that Sean McCarthy fellow would have been killed by now....

profitius

I believe free energy is being surpressed but a positive coming out of that is Ireland could be a future exporter of energy due to our windy climate.

PanchoVilla

The following is a very interesting video explaining the discovery of a new source of energy which is dismissed by mainstream science simply because it cannot currently be explained with our limited knowledge of physics and chemistry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGJiLrG3fLY

Di0genes

yekahs wrote: »

Interesting Threads: There was a very interesting thread, in which our very own MahatmaCoat built and used a type of energy efficiency device called a Joe Cell, however it was moved to a different forum. Its worth a read though. http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056090339

Discussion of this thread is located here

Your link doesn't work.

And whatever about his claims, he's not bothered to file a patent, or y'know, pick up the Noble prize for Science for his work violating the law of momentum conservation

Mahatma coat

tis a very interestin concept, I have trialed a few other 'devices' since. I dont like the term 'free' Energy meself, Alternative Energy is more the title I'd give this field of research, I amcurrently workin on a method of keepin the Fridge powerd up in the Boat without the need for conventional batteries, trying to see if can upscale one of those flashing lights on the lifejacket to produce enough power, but I think I'm gonna need a bigger boat.

PanchoVilla

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The following is a very interesting video explaining the discovery of a new source of energy which is dismissed by mainstream science simply because it cannot currently be explained with our limited knowledge of physics and chemistry.

That's not why it's dismissed....

PanchoVilla

King Mob wrote: »

That's not why it's dismissed....

Care to elaborate on that? You make too many posts refuting something or other but not actually giving an opinion.

PanchoVilla

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Care to elaborate on that?

It's dismissed because it always fails to pass independent tests, if they are ever put through tests at all.

Despite what you might think scientists aren't dogmatic old men who refuse to accept anything new or unusual. Science doesn't and can't work like that.
The reason no credible physicists take cold fusion and perpetual motion machines seriously is because every single one that has been tested has failed, the ones that haven't been tested smell like scams.

So simple question: Which is more likely?
That all physicists have been wrong for decades and are involved in a vast conspiracy to cover this up?
Or:
Some cranks don't really understand physics and that some people are trying to pawn off snake oil?

PanchoVilla

King Mob wrote: »

It's dismissed because it always fails to pass independent tests, if they are ever put through tests at all.

Nonsense. If you bothered to watch the film you'd see that many labs all over the world have managed to reproduce the effect of the original tests. Towards the end it even shows a company manufacturing these things on a commercial scale. Why would someone waste all that money on something that doesn't work? Seriously, watch the video before you start criticizing what's in it.

Despite what you might think scientists aren't dogmatic old men who refuse to accept anything new or unusual. Science doesn't and can't work like that.
The reason no credible physicists take cold fusion and perpetual motion machines seriously is because every single one that has been tested has failed, the ones that haven't been tested smell like scams.

So simple question: Which is more likely?
That all physicists have been wrong for decades and are involved in a vast conspiracy to cover this up?
Or:
Some cranks don't really understand physics and that some people are trying to pawn off snake oil?

Could it be that we have simply discovered a phenomenon that cannot be easily explained with our current knowledge of physics? Surely we don't know everything there is to know about the universe and surely some of that knowledge could be flawed, as it is based on things we can observe and measure.

Owen

Steorn interests me a lot. They've had all sorts of problems about their demos, and had a lot of skeptics out there dismiss their work. They're now selling kits so you can try it out at home yourself.

The thing is though, even if it did work, I think it'd be next to impossible to scale it into any sort of relevant power generation. The forces at work (Or lack of) - seem to be very specific to their setup - very low friction tiny watch bearings with artificial rubies inside - how could you scale that up and keep the low friction properties intact?

The most interesting one I read about years ago was a water carburettor built in the 60's. Needed a roll of aluminium wire as a catalyst to split water into hydrogen/oxygen, but a good idea in principle. Development never happened with it funnily enough ...

PanchoVilla

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Nonsense. If you bothered to watch the film you'd see that many labs all over the world have managed to reproduce the effect of the original tests.

I'm not particularly bothered to scan through an hour plus of what will likely be nonsense. So maybe you could direct me to the scientific papers that detail these tests? Or the names of the Labs? Or anything a bit more trustworthy than a video on the internet.

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Towards the end it even shows a company manufacturing these things on a commercial scale.
Why would someone waste all that money on something that doesn't work? Seriously, watch the video before you start criticizing what's in it.

Their lying? Their mistaken? Or a combination of both?
Why exactly do you believe them so readily?

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Could it be that we have simply discovered a phenomenon that cannot be easily explained with our current knowledge of physics? Surely we don't know everything there is to know about the universe and surely some of that knowledge could be flawed, as it is based on things we can observe and measure.

It's possible but the simple fact that they are reluctant to use actual scientific channels to back up their claims and the fact that there's been plenty of scams like this before, means that it's not the most likely explanation.

PaintDoctor

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Steorn interests me a lot. They've had all sorts of problems about their demos, and had a lot of skeptics out there dismiss their work. They're now selling kits so you can try it out at home yourself.

Can you see why people might be a bit skeptical of folks like this?

Kippure

Wasnt there a group pf students from ucd or trinity that developed something along these lines? Then there was nothing heard of it again.

Owen

King Mob wrote: »

Can you see why people might be a bit skeptical of folks like this?

I probably made a mess of typing what I wanted to say. I do agree with you, I like science and scientific explanations of things. I don't think Steorn have something which is working, but I like the concept of what they were trying to show. The eternal optimist in me would hope something like this is feasible, but the realist (And crappy scientist) in me knows its not possible.

The water carburettor though was, and apart from probably being incredibly unreliable and probably completely inefficient in terms of cost.

robtri

Kippure wrote: »

Wasnt there a group pf students from ucd or trinity that developed something along these lines? Then there was nothing heard of it again.

probably because it didnt work as promised either

Mahatma coat

that water Carburettor sounds like a Joe Cell.