KMPG or Deloitte??

dommy2009

Hi all,

I have recently been offered positions in both KPMG and Deloitte for audit in Dublin. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on which would be the better option and why? I'm leaning towards KPMG at the moment but to be honest I'm changing my mind every day! Some help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!

crapmanjoe

dommy2009 wrote: »

Hi all,

I have recently been offered positions in both KPMG and Deloitte for audit in Dublin. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on which would be the better option and why? I'm leaning towards KPMG at the moment but to be honest I'm changing my mind every day! Some help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!

At the end of the day they are both the same. They both will fill you with corporate brain washing, promise you the moon but ultimately the work will be the exact same.

Only difference is the clients that you will be working on (so upto you to research what clients each have and which you find more interesting)

The other big factor is the group of people you will be joining with because you're basically stuck with them for the next 3 years. Unfortunately you cant predict what they will be like!

My 2 cents - I'd pick KPMG. No interest in being stuck down in Spencer Dock!

cson

Deloitte are a long way away from Spencer Dock

crapmanjoe

cson wrote: »

Deloitte are a long way away from Spencer Dock

Ha - Oops - had PWC in my head.

PWC story apparently is still worthy of the front page (well on the sun anyway)

jonnybravo

Most ppl will say that PwC, KPMG & Deloite are the same and they probably are. If you could find out what department you'll be going into in KPMG or Deloitte that could have a bigger impact on your decision.

If you going to be put into funds in KPMG but going into industry in Deloittle then that'd have a big impact & you should choose what you'd be more interested in doing with your career.

They might not have told you what department you're going into but you could ask. I know in PwC they didn't tell us untill just before we started.

dommy2009

Thanks very much for the advice. There's pluses and minuses for both options to be honest I'm just going to have to sit down some day and make a decision and stick with it! I think I should have a good experience from the sounds of it no matter who I choose.

Johnny_Fontane

I think its important as to whether you will be going in Financial Services Audit or Industry Audit.

As of right now, candidates with industry audit experience are finding it easier than those with financial services audit experience to find jobs.

The very best candidates at the moment audit the biggest plc's so if you can guarantee to be on the industry side in either firm, it would be a big plus.

I've recruited big 4's for ten years, so thats what I'm seeing on the other side at the moment.

npj85

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

I think its important as to whether you will be going in Financial Services Audit or Industry Audit.

As of right now, candidates with industry audit experience are finding it easier than those with financial services audit experience to find jobs.

The very best candidates at the moment audit the biggest plc's so if you can guarantee to be on the industry side in either firm, it would be a big plus.

I've recruited big 4's for ten years, so thats what I'm seeing on the other side at the moment.

Hi Johnny,
Have two offers from big 4 firms, one in Dublin and one in London and am trying to decide which to go for. Was just wondering in your experience of recruiting would it be any disadvantage having trained in London and then trying to get a job back in Ireland after qualification?
Any thoughts much appreciated. cheers.

Pawwed Rig

jonnybravo wrote: »

Most ppl will say that PwC, KPMG & Deloite are the same and they probably are.

The ommission of one company says alot in this statement!!! Surely all the B4 are the same?

npj85

npj85 wrote: »

Hi Johnny,
Have two offers from big 4 firms, one in Dublin and one in London and am trying to decide which to go for. Was just wondering in your experience of recruiting would it be any disadvantage having trained in London and then trying to get a job back in Ireland after qualification?
Any thoughts much appreciated. cheers.

go to London - international experience will stand to you and you'll be exposed to lots of other sectors in London that you won't see here. only thing to consider is if you're doing general audit that industry is helpful if that's where you eventually want to work. plus you'll avoid all the extra taxes and cuts that are coming here!

jonnybravo

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

The ommission of one company says alot in this statement!!! Surely all the B4 are the same?

Not from personal experience (did an internship years ago there & things supposed to be worse now) or from what you'd hear from people that work there. Talk to anyone that you know that works there and they'll give you an insight into it.


Also I think that they changed their overtime policy so that they no longer pay overtime or give time in leui, but I could be wrong about this.

Pawwed Rig

jonnybravo wrote: »

Not from personal experience (did an internship years ago there & things supposed to be worse now) or from what you'd hear from people that work there. Talk to anyone that you know that works there and they'll give you an insight into it.


Also I think that they changed their overtime policy so that they no longer pay overtime or give time in leui, but I could be wrong about this.

Have heard a few things about them but don't really believe they're that different to other B4 firms. They don't have OT anymore is true but how much does someone in one of the other B4 get in OT or are they pressured not to log it as hours worked??
I reckon the experience level is the same. Have heard worse things about one of the other B4 firms tbh

jonnybravo

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Have heard a few things about them but don't really believe they're that different to other B4 firms. They don't have OT anymore is true but how much does someone in one of the other B4 get in OT or are they pressured not to log it as hours worked??
I reckon the experience level is the same. Have heard worse things about one of the other B4 firms tbh

Well the people in the other Big 4 that don't charge it are doing themselves no favours. You'll get no thanks at the end of the day for not charging it. I think no overtime is a big disadvantage to E&Y as I know I wouldn't be happy doing big overtime and not getting anything back for doing it.

Also you'll hear bad stories about all the big 4 but in general you hear alot more about E&Y than the rest. It'll be a tough 3 / 3.5 years either way.

johnn

Can they legally not give you anything for overtime, are you 100% sure of this? I've heard of people in Big 4 being in til 9pm sometimes during busy season so wouldn't be happy not receiving anything for doing it, especially as the starting wages aren't the best.

Innervision

johnn wrote: »

Can they legally not give you anything for overtime, are you 100% sure of this? I've heard of people in Big 4 being in til 9pm sometimes during busy season so wouldn't be happy not receiving anything for doing it, especially as the starting wages aren't the best.

It's definitely true unfortunately, and I know of plenty of people in said company in til 9pm a lot of nights (not just in busy season) and getting no overtime.

johnn

Innervision wrote: »

It's definitely true unfortunately, and I know of plenty of people in said company in til 9pm a lot of nights (not just in busy season) and getting no overtime.

Is it not necessary to work a certain amount of overtime to get the full 12 weeks study leave or whatever it is?

gottcha_goin

What service line is best to go into when ur given the choice? I take it from the previous posts that Funds or Banking wud be a bad idea?? On the otherhand i heard that you learn the most in them areas..moreso banking apparently.

Innervision

johnn wrote: »

Is it not necessary to work a certain amount of overtime to get the full 12 weeks study leave or whatever it is?

Well as far as I know they don't get a lot of extra study leave compared to the other big 4, maybe 3 extra weeks (for FAE anyway)? not 100% sure on that though.
Anyway, I know of one person there who would have worked up those three weeks in his first three months there!

johnn

Innervision wrote: »

Well as far as I know they don't get a lot of extra study leave compared to the other big 4, maybe 3 extra weeks (for FAE anyway)? not 100% sure on that though.
Anyway, I know of one person there who would have worked up those three weeks in his first three months there!

3 weeks study leave for the FAE are u sure of that

Pandoras Twist

Im pretty sure all the big 4 offer 3 weeks study leave for the exams, with 2 weeks optional unpaid, and you can also take your holidays then too

ari101

Pandoras Twist wrote: »

Im pretty sure all the big 4 offer 3 weeks study leave for the exams, with 2 weeks optional unpaid, and you can also take your holidays then too

As far as I know (not gospel), below is the basic paid study leave in Deloitte for a first attempt at ACA. Obviously it can be added to with overtime, annual leave and unpaid leave, but everybody gets this paid assuming sitting all exams in each part:

CAP 1 4 weeks
Cap 2 6 weeks
Cap 3 7 weeks

Innervision

johnn wrote: »

3 weeks study leave for the FAE are u sure of that

Sorry I meant 3 weeks on top of what the ICAI recommend, which is 7 weeks, so around 10 in total.

Cookie33

Im trying to decide between EY and Deloitte although for some reason I'm leaning towards EY even with the bad press that its the worst one of the Big4. Prob cos Deloitte didn't mention much in their contract whereas EY was very detailed.

EY CAI Day off:
CAP1 - 29 days
CAP2 - 44 days
FAE - 55 days

Oh and EY offer an extra day off work compared to Deloitte lol..

Anyone know of Deloittes salary? It didn't mention. I assume between 21.5-22.5k?

dudara

Cookie33 wrote: »

Im trying to decide between EY and Deloitte although for some reason I'm leaning towards EY even with the bad press that its the worst one of the Big4. Prob cos Deloitte didn't mention much in their contract whereas EY was very detailed.

EY CAI Day off:
CAP1 - 29 days
CAP2 - 44 days
FAE - 55 days

Oh and EY offer an extra day off work compared to Deloitte lol..

Anyone know of Deloittes salary? It didn't mention. I assume between 21.5-22.5k?

Ring the HR department and ask them outright. Let them know that you cannot be expected to make up your mind on a job offer without knowing all the details.

levi

Deloitte give you 21 days but they give you an additional 2 free days over Christmas the last couple of year so you actually get 23 days :P

ari101

dudara wrote: »

Ring the HR department and ask them outright. Let them know that you cannot be expected to make up your mind on a job offer without knowing all the details.

They won't tell you because they dont know themselves - based on this year, it will probably be in the region of 21.5-22.5, but could change depending on the economic situation next summer when salaries are decided.

jonnybravo

ari101 wrote: »

They won't tell you because they dont know themselves - based on this year, it will probably be in the region of 21.5-22.5, but could change depending on the economic situation next summer when salaries are decided.

There won't be able difference in salary between KPMG, PwC & Deloitte. E&Y I think might pay abit more but don't pay or give time in leui for overtime. Study leave I think is pretty standard accross the big 4 as well.

cunning stunts

if i was to do it all again...my ranking would be

1 deloitte
2 pwc
3 kpmg
4 ey

just my opinion tho

The Big Red Button

cunning stunts wrote: »

if i was to do it all again...my ranking would be

1 deloitte
2 pwc
3 kpmg
4 ey

just my opinion tho

Can I ask which you went for, as a matter of interest?

I dunno, you hear so many stories about each of them, but it's hard to compare them directly to each other as most people have only actually worked for one of them ... and even then, you have to take into consideration that people working for the same firm but within different business units/departments etc will end up having completely different experiences!

cunning stunts

chatterpillar wrote: »

Can I ask which you went for, as a matter of interest?

I dunno, you hear so many stories about each of them, but it's hard to compare them directly to each other as most people have only actually worked for one of them ... and even then, you have to take into consideration that people working for the same firm but within different business units/departments etc will end up having completely different experiences!

PWC, live with lads in all the other big4s though