Another "Will my TV receive Saorview?" thread

maki

I bought a LG 32LH3000 tv during the summer and I'm quite perplexed when it comes to finding out if Saorview will work on it or not.

It's labelled as having Freeview, not Freeview HD, which according to what I've read here on boards means it is not compatible.
It does however have an MPEG4 tuner, which according to the Saorview specification will work fine.

What's the verdict here?

Mr McBoatface

It certified for TNT HD the french dtt service which is simular to saorview bar the mheg5.

Your TV should recieve and decode the channels fine. The interactive menus that need mheg5 may not work.

Have you tried it out yourself ?

maki

I don't have an aerial at the moment as I'm on UPC so I can't really try it. I wanted to find out if it'll work first before going out and buying an aerial.

I'm not too worried about interactive menus to be honest, I only really want it to watch RTE2 matches in HD.

The Cush

maki wrote: »

It's labelled as having Freeview, not Freeview HD, which according to what I've read here on boards means it is not compatible.
It does however have an MPEG4 tuner, which according to the Saorview specification will work fine.

What's the verdict here?

As jobyrne30 says above you should have no problem receiving the Irish digital channels with that TV.

There's no reason why a freeview certified receiver cannot have an MPEG-4 decoder but because it's not part of the freeview spec there will be no reference to it in the manual or on any UK related site or review but it could be included in the receiver's technical specification. Some freeview receiver have an MPEG-4 decoder built in, others don't. If you did intend to purchase a freeview certified TV you would be advised to check the receiver specifications for MPEG-4 or H.264.

My almost 3 year old freeview certified Sony TV has an MPEG-4 decoder.

The reason people were advised to go for a TNT-HD certified receiver is because MPEG-4 is a mandatory part of the TNT-HD spec so a purchaser could be sure it will decode the video on the Saorview channels.

Now of course people would be advised to purchase a freeview-HD receiver will give you both MPEG-4 and MHEG-5 for digital text.

killalanerr

i have 2 LGs in the house so would be also interested to find out if they will receive saorview,i have an ariel getting rte and bbc ni,when i tuned the dtv mode on the tv i get the radio stations but only sound on the rte tv stations,why is their no picture ?

edit -info a few threads down something about 2meg and 4meg looks like i will need a STB at some stage,not sure how it will work for the op as i have my tvs a few years now

The Cush

killalanerr wrote: »

i have 2 LGs in the house so would be also interested to find out if they will receive saorview,i have an ariel getting rte and bbc ni,when i tuned the dtv mode on the tv i get the radio stations but only sound on the rte tv stations,why is their no picture ?

No MPEG-4 video decoder in the TVs, only an MPEG-2 decoder.

An MPEG-4 decoder is required to see the video on the Irish channels. The UK use the MPEG-2 standard and you should be able to view the UK freeview digital channels if you're within range of a UK digital transmitter.

EDIT:

killalanerr wrote: »

edit -info a few threads down something about 2meg and 4meg looks like i will need a STB at some stage,not sure how it will work for the op as i have my tvs a few years now

If you have audio and no video i.e. MPEG-2 decoder, you will require an MPEG-4 compatible STB to watch the Irish digital channels with that TV. The OP's has an LG 32LH3000 with MPEG-4 decoder and will have no problem dispalying the channels.

Mayo Exile

I have a 19" and a 26" LG LH2000 series TV. Both are fine with Saorview. They also receive MHEG text as well as the ordinary text on DTT. I'd guess an LG LH3000 series TV wouldn't differ that much.

STB

LH 0000 series = MPEG4
L 0000 series = MPEG2

Will work no problem. Quite a good TV (that you can actually tweak with firmware to enable the USB port to play divx/mkv files).

rebeve

maki wrote: »

I bought a LG 32LH3000 tv during the summer and I'm quite perplexed when it comes to finding out if Saorview will work on it or not.

It's labelled as having Freeview, not Freeview HD, which according to what I've read here on boards means it is not compatible.
It does however have an MPEG4 tuner, which according to the Saorview specification will work fine.

What's the verdict here?

.
I have that tv and I can watch saorview no probs .Great tv.

slegs

LGs generally have MHEG5 as do Sony as they make European wide models. LG dont seem to block MHEG5 like other manufacturers do when Ireland is chosen as country. Would imagine they will be Saorview certified pretty quickly in the new year

Mayo Exile

slegs wrote: »

LGs generally have MHEG5 as do Sony as they make European wide models. LG dont seem to block MHEG5 like other manufacturers do when Ireland is chosen as country. Would imagine they will be Saorview certified pretty quickly in the new year

Just as a sidenote, my Sony TV (W4000 series) won't display analogue text, even when set to Ireland, when watching Saorview. As already stated, no such problem with the LG's. Just wondering then is it in the Saorview spec that both versions of text should be displayed by a Saorview approved receiver?

The Cush

Mayo Exile wrote: »

Just as a sidenote, my Sony TV (W4000 series) won't display analogue text, even when set to Ireland, when watching Saorview. As already stated, no such problem with the LG's. Just wondering then is it in the Saorview spec that both versions of text should be displayed by a Saorview approved receiver?

This from the Saorview spec, MHEG-5 takes priority.

If both an MHEG5 application and Teletext normal pages are received simultaneously for one and the same service, the IRD shall default priorities and display the MHEG5 application.

That is to say, MHEG5 shall by default have priority to allocate the application group keys ('Text' and colour keys) on the remote control. Typically a service carries either an MHEG5 Supertext application or EBU Teletext normal pages but may carry both due to legacy issues.

Mayo Exile

Interesting. Very useful though that with the LG you can switch between both types of text in the setup menu when the country selected is Ireland.

neacy69

STB wrote: »

LH 0000 series = MPEG4
L 0000 series = MPEG2

Will work no problem. Quite a good TV (that you can actually tweak with firmware to enable the USB port to play divx/mkv files).

Any chance of a link for more info on this?
I have the 32LH2000 or 32LH3000 (not sure which)....but i'd love to add this feature!

neacy69

neacy69 wrote: »

Any chance of a link for more info on this?
I have the 32LH2000 or 32LH3000 (not sure which)....but i'd love to add this feature!

http://lgusb.wikispaces.com/#usb

info....looks very easy to do! happy days

STB

neacy69 wrote: »

http://lgusb.wikispaces.com/#usb

info....looks very easy to do! happy days

Make sure you download the right 3.15 for the right model! That you have a FAT32 formated key and that you follow the steps - do not skip one. You know what the consequences are if you dont!

Its discussed here in detail

irishproduce

Sorry to hijack this thread guys, I have been looking around for what is needed to get going with saorview but can't be sure what I have to buy.
I have the Samsung LE32B450C4W and I currently watch analog via a co-ax wire into apartment.
I have been looking around saorview site and the rte booklet download here but I do not understand if I need just a little aerial or a digital box or what.
Sorry I am not more familiar with the tech but i'd love if someone could tell me what I need to turn it on in apartment.

Thanks
Irish

Mr McBoatface

I believe your TV has a compatible mpeg4 tuner that works with Saorview. So providing you can get a signal in your apartment you should get Saorview with no extra equipment.

Where is your location, also what channels are you currently picking up on analogue ?

watty

Unless the Apartment is some sort of mini-Analogue Cable. If there are any UK channels, then it's maybe a cable system and not on an Aerial, so won't get Saorview.

irishproduce

Thanks for that Jo and Watty.
Watty is right, there is an outlet in every apartment and once you plug in the analog cable, you have about 20 channels that are controlled centrally by the company that run the TV and phones in here.
Is there equipment I can but to activate it independently of the provided service via the outlet?

STB

irishproduce wrote: »

Thanks for that Jo and Watty.
Watty is right, there is an outlet in every apartment and once you plug in the analog cable, you have about 20 channels that are controlled centrally by the company that run the TV and phones in here.
Is there equipment I can but to activate it independently of the provided service via the outlet?

A small indoor aerial positioned by the window (on a cill). Get a powered one. You'll need it to boost the signal. You may have to extend the cable in order to get it by the window.

Where are you ?

irishproduce

Thanks STB, I'm down in Limerick. Can you just recommend one aerial and once I know what you are referring to, I will go off about it and get the ideal one myself. I just need an example of what I am after.
Thanks

flutered

neacy69 wrote: »

http://lgusb.wikispaces.com/#usb

info....looks very easy to do! happy days

the link does not work for me.

watty

irishproduce wrote: »

Thanks STB, I'm down in Limerick. Can you just recommend one aerial and once I know what you are referring to, I will go off about it and get the ideal one myself. I just need an example of what I am after.
Thanks

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60897584&postcount=4

Unless it's in the attic a powered one often makes no difference. Really an amplifier just makes up for cable or splitter loss. It can't actually make the signal "better". A bigger aerial or better location is far better. Too much amp power if you have a strong signal will reduce the quality.

If the second aerial on that page doesn't work on a window sill (extension cable may be needed), then you need it in the attic (with an amplifier to cancel the loss in the longer cable), or else a full size aerial in attic.

Attic is x4 to x10 better than downstairs, (and Chimney aerial x10 to nearly x100 better) unless downstairs window has a view of mast.

irishproduce

Thanks for all the help guys.
I'll look into this now so and see how far I get.

Happy Christmas!!

irishproduce

Ok, I think I will just buy this
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=33215&criteria=TV%20aerial&doy=3m7

I am in the penthouse on the roof of apartment complex. I can open my lounge door to go out on roof and the woodcock hill white ball is straight in front of me (granted about 10KM as the crow flies)

You think I would get away with it?

watty

It's as good an indoor aerial as any.

I get grainy analogue in kitchen downstairs nearly 13km from Woodcock and perfect Digital with similar indoor aerial.

I get perfect Analogue with 10 Element outdoor aerial beside backdoor.

So you should be OK.

irishproduce

watty wrote: »

I get grainy analogue in kitchen downstairs nearly 13km from Woodcock and perfect Digital with similar indoor aerial.

The same aerial will give digital and analogue ya? Sorry now but you mention both.

watty

yes.
No such thing as a Digital Aerial.

irishproduce

Legend. Gonna drop into Maplin tomorrow night so and see if I can pick it up. Will post back how I get on

irishproduce

Went out and bought it just now altogether. Funny that in Maplin UK the aerial is £4.99 but here in Ireland its €13.49 - thats some difference!

Anyway, I hooked it up and service on it is grand, reception looks fine but I don't see any new channels. RTE1,2 TV3 & TG4 are all there but I am not seeing anything new menu wise when tapping on remote, like this poster here.
I am using samsung too so confused where my menu is:-(

watty

You must be on Analogue.

Re-read the Manual to do a Digital Scan.
6 TV + 10 Radio.

irishproduce

Ya, we're getting action now alright. It found 17 but one is a test station.
Strangely, when I plug out the aerial and shove back in the analogue cable coming out of the wall, some of them remain and the menu guide is still there also but all the radio stations are gone again and maybe 3E, not sure.
I am after putting back in the wall cable now and selected a full auto search of digital and analogue so I am gonne see what happens. Its taking a while.
Thanks Watty.

fat-tony

You won't get the digital channels from the cable TV (wall) connection:rolleyes:
The fact that the menu guide (EPG) is still there is because the TV is storing it from when you scanned in the digital stations from the aerial. The digital channels are RTEs/TV3/3E/News now/Test channel and the 10 radio.
If there are other channels on cable that you absolutely must have, then you are going to need a combiner to join both services. The TV, though, will not seamlessly work on analogue and digital - you are going to have to switch between them.

enfant terrible

This model seems to be TNT HD compatible so can i assume it will work with SAORVIEW?

Not listed on the sticky.

The Cush

enfant terrible wrote: »

This model seems to be TNT HD compatible so can i assume it will work with SAORVIEW?

Not listed on the sticky.

Not listed in your post either, what model are you referring to?

enfant terrible

The Cush wrote: »

Not listed in your post either, what model are you referring to?

Apologies
http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/4968065/art/lg/32ld320-lcd-television.html

The Cush

enfant terrible wrote: »

Apologies
http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/4968065/art/lg/32ld320-lcd-television.html

It's TNT-HD certified so it will have an MPEG-4 decoder and so should work with Irish DTT. It's also freeview certified which means it should display MHEG-5 digital text if installed with UK as the country (or possibly Ireland).

enfant terrible

The Cush wrote: »

It's TNT-HD certified so it will have an MPEG-4 decoder and so should work with Irish DTT. It's also freeview certified which means it should display MHEG-5 digital text if installed with UK as the country (or possibly Ireland).

Cheers

Damer

Hi all, hope this is the right thread to post in!
I got a samsung led tv ue32b6000 about a year ago and at the time when i tuned it in it picked up RTE digital (trial broadcast?) which ceased after a few months and since then I haven't been able to pick it up. checked the coverage map and it shows that I'm in an area (Kilkenny side of Castlecomer) covered by Mt Lenister mast...
I've two terrestrial aerials and a sat dish for freesat box
puzzled! any ideas or wisdom?

watty

Probably not a Compatible set. The tests never ceased. Just became closer to a real service.

Or if it is compatible, then your aerial or cable has a fault.

Or even TV is faulty or misconfigured.

Damer

thanks watty
so it may be just faulty aerial (being optimistic!) if the aerial had shifted (in the wind) would that effect it?

how do I go about figuring out what the problem is?

STB

Your TV is fine for DTT. It has the requisite hardware - MPEG4.

You only need one aerial. A UHF one. How do the aerials come in, how are they combined. How is your analogue.

You say you received DTT before. Start with the basics. Check connections, loose coax connections.

Damer

thanks STB, Phew at least it's not the telly! (well fingers crossed!)
the analogue pic is a bit grainy
the two terrestrial aerials come in as one cable, could it be that the uhf one is disconnected on the chimney?....it's off to get a ladder tomorrow!

STB

Did you receive DTT before ?

When ?

When you go to manual scan dvb/dvb-t tuner and pick ch 45 is there a signal meter that shows signal strength

Damer

I've only done automatic scans to date will go and try the manual scan.....

ok no joy i get two options auto store or manual store
and when I go to manual store all i have as options is channel - frequency- bandwidth

and yes i did receive digital tv when I first tuned in the tv which would have been about this time last year and I had it for a few months

enfant terrible

If Argos say "This TV is digital compatible in the Republic of Ireland" I assume it supports mpeg4 and mpeg5?

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5296118/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|14419512/c_2/3|cat_19780832|Televisions|14419667.htm

The Cush

enfant terrible wrote: »

If Argos say "This TV is digital compatible in the Republic of Ireland" I assume it supports mpeg4 and mpeg5?

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5296118/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|14419512/c_2/3|cat_19780832|Televisions|14419667.htm

MHEG-5 not MPEG-5.

And yes it does both MPEG-4 and MHEG-5.