Growing Up Gifted..

JonathanAnon

so far..

Leah - she seems really cute .. naturally intelligent..

Jack - Arrogant little git.. Condescending with the other kids...

Naseems - Parents pushing the kids too hard..

Gavin - he's a bit old to be in this isnt he.. Was he kept back at genius school.. Showed him apparently ringing up the Minister to say that the Junior Cert was too easy.. Say that will make him popular in school..

Dudess

Yeah, I'd imagine it's more the younger lad's personality and his "world-weary" attitude than his cleverness that causes his alienation.

tvnutz

It is interesting and it does show that there isn't really anything for those that are gifted. When I was teaching last year I sometimes felt like saying "anyone else but "Joe" want to have a go?" Same lad all the time knew everything. I didn't say it because it is not fair for him to be left out because he knows all the answers,but at the same time you need to try get others involved.

On the other hand I don't like seeing kids being pushed too far. Also this Jack kid going on about thinking about the future all the time while other kids are thinking about the next football game. Sometimes that's what a teenager needs to be about. Other kids his age do think about the future, I know that for a fact,but you need to be a teenager. Otherwise you will regret it later in life.

starviewadams

Good show,Jack and Leah seem like nice kids,Jack does seem a bit fed up already though

The Naseem's seem like they are pushing their kids way too hard,but I knew a girl whose family's pushed her like this while she was in school and she got maximum points on the LC a few years back and is doing medicine now.

Gavin just seems really odd,wonder how he'll do on his junior cert,should be interesting.

JonathanAnon

The Naseems ... I've heard of economic migrants, not educational migrants... If they really wanted so much for their kids why didnt they send them to private school.... Seems like they are just going to the place where there is best free education...

JonathanAnon

6 Bs :eek: jaysus they're gonna have to make him stay back surely...

starviewadams

Yeah surprised the Naseems just didn't go private,probably very,very costly for 3 kids though.They weren't attending the gifted kids thingy in DCU either which was a bit odd.

MiniMed

tvnutz wrote: »

It is interesting and it does show that there isn't really anything for those that are gifted. When I was teaching last year I sometimes felt like saying "anyone else but "Joe" want to have a go?" Same lad all the time knew everything. I didn't say it because it is not fair for him to be left out because he knows all the answers,but at the same time you need to try get others involved.

On the other hand I don't like seeing kids being pushed too far. Also this Jack kid going on about thinking about the future all the time while other kids are thinking about the next football game. Sometimes that's what a teenager needs to be about. Other kids his age do think about the future, I know that for a fact,but you need to be a teenager. Otherwise you will regret it later in life.

I totally agree with you on this. I went to CTYI one summer during secondary school. To be honest I found the whole thing a bit pretentious. The school system suited me anyway, and I didn't like the attitude they encouraged that it was nearly below CTYI-ers. Lots of my friends who didn't go to CTYI were getting better grades than those I met during the course, and I do feel there's a lot to be said for working hard, as opposed to an 'I'm so gifted...the system is failing me' attitude. Also, were you to take the CTYI superior attitude back to your real life with you (ie. school) you would quickly find yourself isolated. When I was at school my studies were so important to me, but I also think the social side of things can't be underestimated. Also at any age, it's nice to be able to relax and have fun. Even though I take my academic work seriously, I like to sit down and watch the X Factor/soaps etc.

starviewadams wrote: »

Good show,Jack and Leah seem like nice kids,Jack does seem a bit fed up already though

The Naseem's seem like they are pushing their kids way too hard,but I knew a girl whose family's pushed her like this while she was in school and she got maximum points on the LC a few years back and is doing medicine now.

Gavin just seems really odd,wonder how he'll do on his junior cert,should be interesting.

It's not necessary though. I went to a normal public school locally, and got the same results. At the end of the day, they're only results-there are so many other things in life. I have no kids yet, but I would hope never to push them like that.


As I didn't see the whole show, could someone please tell me why the lad doing his Junior Cert hadn't done third year in school.

goose2005

Be interesting to see how many Olympic medals we'd win if we treated gifted athletes like we do those gifted intellectually...

Gavin - he's a bit old to be in this isnt he.. Was he kept back at genius school.. Showed him apparently ringing up the Minister to say that the Junior Cert was too easy.. Say that will make him popular in school..

Yeah, how dare someone say that a 7-minute mile is too easy.

Syferus

goose2005 wrote: »

Be interesting to see how many Olympic medals we'd win if we treated gifted athletes like we do those gifted intellectually...

You mean all those ones we won by doping horses? We're screwing over our athletes good enough as it is, thanks very much!

Dudess

I judged the younger boy too hastily - he has a tough life, poor kid.

How "genius" is the older lad though? Not disputing he's very brainy, but I know plenty of non genius people who got those junior cert results, and higher. Maybe it was because he missed a good bit of the year though...

JonathanAnon

Dudess wrote: »

How "genius" is the older lad though?

Like I said above Dudess, they should have made him repeat the year to give him a bit of humility... And as was said above, I dont think being told "you are great" every day of your life is a great thing... just encourages you to be lazy..

MichMich

The gifted children on channel 4's Child Genius documentaries seem so much more intelligent than this Irish crowd...perhaps its just the posh accents though...

goose2005

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Like I said above Dudess, they should have made him repeat the year to give him a bit of humility... And as was said above, I dont think being told "you are great" every day of your life is a great thing... just encourages you to be lazy..

But putting a gifted in a class where s/he is far superior to all the others is hardly going to encourage hard work - cf. my athletics analogy, no-one became a world-class soccer player by staying with Shamrock Rovers.

sleepyman

Dudess wrote: »

I judged the younger boy too hastily - he has a tough life, poor kid.

How "genius" is the older lad though? Not disputing he's very brainy, but I know plenty of non genius people who got those junior cert results, and higher. Maybe it was because he missed a good bit of the year though...

Yeah I felt sorry for that lad.Can't be easy with the Mum having cancer, a special-needs brother.
I assume someone was keeping an eye on them when their Mum went for treatment?It looked like they were left to their own devices!!
I guess the older chap did miss third year but surely if you're genius you'd get all a's anyway?I got a few A's and B's in the junior but I'd never class myself as genius.

Ash.J.Williams

I thought the girl with aspergers was a diamond, and jack was a hero. Then again there was a lot of f**ing around by the film makers...trying to hard to make the show ..a show.

Shane10

sad watching the guy jack cry going to secondary school, been gifted has its disadvantages. tough on him with his mum sick and no Dad around it seems. seemed like a nice kid.

Wossack

no doubt they're bright kids, but poor attitude from alot of them

guess that comes from being labled better then your peers

MiniMed

goose2005 wrote: »

Be interesting to see how many Olympic medals we'd win if we treated gifted athletes like we do those gifted intellectually...

Yeah, how dare someone say that a 7-minute mile is too easy.

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Like I said above Dudess, they should have made him repeat the year to give him a bit of humility... And as was said above, I dont think being told "you are great" every day of your life is a great thing... just encourages you to be lazy..

goose2005 wrote: »

But putting a gifted in a class where s/he is far superior to all the others is hardly going to encourage hard work - cf. my athletics analogy, no-one became a world-class soccer player by staying with Shamrock Rovers.

I wouldn't compare the school system to a seven minute mile. If CTYI accept the top 5% of students and you consider the fact that the amount of people who get 600 points is less than 1%, then the school system is obviously challenging. I do accept that the school system may not suit everybody, but it's not a healthy attitude to encourage in a child that the reason for this is that the system is not 'challenging' enough or somehow beneath them.

Also, in the sporting context, even if we look at someone looking to achieve at the highest level in an individual sport like athletics, there is still a social aspect to it ie. they have a training group, coach and other support. As great as it is for a child to achieve his/her potential in academia, it's important not to lose sight of being a child too. Having an attitude drilled into you that you are gifted and superior is going to isolate you and make other aspects of life difficult.

Quest

MiniMed wrote: »

...it's not a healthy attitude to encourage in a child that the reason for this is that the system is not 'challenging' enough or somehow beneath them.

As great as it is for a child to achieve his/her potential in academia, it's important not to lose sight of being a child too. Having an attitude drilled into you that you are gifted and superior is going to isolate you and make other aspects of life difficult.

I suppose an hour long doc isn't going to be able to cover any subject in depth but it'd be a pity if it gave people the impression that these kids are isolated because "an attitude is drilled into them" that they are superior.

In my experience, these kids are isolated because they really are a bit - sometimes a lot - different from other kids the same age - and the other kids notice it! And all the kids pick up pretty quick that unlike gifted sports people, this giftedness is something to be teased about, not to be mentioned and certainly not to be praised. Of course that has an effect on the kids.

araic88

The Indian family - oh lord!!! "We're going to Canada!" "it's the Irish system's loss" They were just so over the top. At least the girls seemed happy I suppose.

Leah - poor thing, seems like a lovely kid, what an awful decision to have to make - choosing between being able to play with her friends and have fun or be able to concentrate and avoid "working in a fast food restaurant" I hope they've found a better balance. I hadn't realised just how powerful ADHD drugs can be - they reeeally changed her. It's frightening to think how many children have been prescribed them, to effectively dope them up.

Jack - he's great! I hope he has the confidence to keep "being himself" as he said. I noticed his poor mother seemed to have a wig on while bravely waving him off on the bus

MiniMed

Quest wrote: »

I suppose an hour long doc isn't going to be able to cover any subject in depth but it'd be a pity if it gave people the impression that these kids are isolated because "an attitude is drilled into them" that they are superior.

In my experience, these kids are isolated because they really are a bit - sometimes a lot - different from other kids the same age - and the other kids notice it! And all the kids pick up pretty quick that unlike gifted sports people, this giftedness is something to be teased about, not to be mentioned and certainly not to be praised. Of course that has an effect on the kids.

I don't mean to sound derogatory but I do think that it's important to accept your world as it is to a certain extent. For example, the women who was a science instructor in CTYI spoke about a guy who had such a superior attitude, he wouldn't mix with people who weren't as intelligent as he was. Of course, if academia is your forte, it's brilliant to have opportunities, but I think it's dangerous if the entire focus is on it. Why did the lad need to go to Cambridge at sixteen, for example? There are other things to consider, as well as the academic side of it. Moving to the UK would be difficult and it he would probably end up quite socially isolated too, with most students there being nearly 19 in first year.

araic88 wrote: »

The Indian family - oh lord!!! "We're going to Canada!" "it's the Irish system's loss" They were just so over the top. At least the girls seemed happy I suppose.

Leah - poor thing, seems like a lovely kid, what an awful decision to have to make - choosing between being able to play with her friends and have fun or be able to concentrate and avoid "working in a fast food restaurant" I hope they've found a better balance. I hadn't realised just how powerful ADHD drugs can be - they reeeally changed her. It's frightening to think how many children have been prescribed them, to effectively dope them up.

Jack - he's great! I hope he has the confidence to keep "being himself" as he said. I noticed his poor mother seemed to have a wig on while bravely waving him off on the bus

Maybe the reason the Nadeem family hadn't settled into school was because they had been through seven different ones. It did seem a bit of a case of the mother trying to live through her children.

Leah seemed like a nice girl. She had it tough. Her parents seemed well grounded though. It was good the way the dad said about her needing the exams, even though of all the kids, they will probably be most difficult for her.

Jack was a very kind hearted lad and had a lot to deal with. It's so sad to think of the potential problems he faces in his personal life, maybe before he even finishes school. Let's just hope someone can look out for him, and he does get to fulfil his potential.

dkin

Why all the attention on school results? Surely results in school are one of the worst predictors of intelligence. If you are smart sitting in class listening to teachers drone on and on is one of the most boring experiences of your life. Good school results require the ability and motivation to do exactly what you are told. Very little natural intelligence is involved.

Intelligent children should be streamed and separated from others at about 11. The sporting analogies provided above are very apt, what's the point of a very successful sportsman spending all his time until the age of 18 progressing at a pace far below his potential ability and unchallenged? These children need diverse intellectual challenge and simulation, not the oppressive one side fits all approach encompassed by the modern school system. The child mentioned above that asks all the questions and has all the answers is a prime example of this system. As mentioned the hope is that they slow down and don't impeed the progress of others. This is wrong on so many levels and nobody benefits.

In the sporting sphere that person would have progressed to the next age group and possibly been given representitve honours. At every stage of the process he would have been challenged and expected to excel. Until we start treating education a lot more like sport we are going nowhere.

I was classified as extremely gifted when younger I even won a full scholarship to CTYI. But I never went. I felt ashamed of my intelligence and desperately wanted to be accepted by a peer group who did not share many of my interests and considered me a bit weird. I remember conciously making a decision in school one day that instead of concentrating on school work which seemed to make me the focus of bullying I wouldn't try as hard and hopefully fit in more. The media portryal of nerds/geeks didn't help either, think Saved by the Bell. I should have been a stronger person at the time but I was pretty beated down by bullying. Bullying does make you hard which I'm thankful for in later life but I wouldn't wish the experiences I went through on anyone.

That intensely personal agreement to oppressive coerced conformitality is one of the worst decisions a person can ever make as it reduces if not outright eliminates their confidence to be individuals. It took me years to recover the damage to my psyche casused by this bullying indeed at 26 I don't think I'm the man I could have been, as I never achieved my full intellectual potential due to faults in a school system that was terribly designed for people like me who much prefer to work autonomously, independently, at their own pace and who are most importantly surrounded by similarily minded peers. As a result I consider the vast majority of my time in secondary school to be wasted and intellectually unstimulating.

There is a reason extremely intelligent people seem to be constantly underachieving. I have seen it happen all the time, creative intelligent people are stifled by the system and often leave with huge self esteem issues.

Happily I gritted my teeth and got on with it but we are stifling our best and brightest on an almost daily basis.

Gyalist

Unless you have come in direct contact with it, you don't really realise how poor the provision is in Ireland for gifted children. Former neighbours of mine moved to Canada to get better opportunities for their daughter, who is both gifted and blind. They were both involved in tertiary education and even though they knew the system intimately, could not get the help and support that their child required.

MiniMed

dkin wrote: »

Why all the attention on school results? Surely results in school are one of the worst predictors of intelligence. If you are smart sitting in class listening to teachers drone on and on is one of the most boring experiences of your life. Good school results require the ability and motivation to do exactly what you are told. Very little natural intelligence is involved.

Intelligent children should be streamed and separated from others at about 11. The sporting analogies provided above are very apt, what's the point of a very successful sportsman spending all his time until the age of 18 progressing at a pace far below his potential ability and unchallenged? These children need diverse intellectual challenge and simulation, not the oppressive one side fits all approach encompassed by the modern school system. The child mentioned above that asks all the questions and has all the answers is a prime example of this system. As mentioned the hope is that they slow down and don't impeed the progress of others. This is wrong on so many levels and nobody benefits.

In the sporting sphere that person would have progressed to the next age group and possibly been given representitve honours. At every stage of the process he would have been challenged and expected to excel. Until we start treating education a lot more like sport we are going nowhere.

I was classified as extremely gifted when younger I even won a full scholarship to CTYI. But I never went. I felt ashamed of my intelligence and desperately wanted to be accepted by a peer group who did not share many of my interests and considered me a bit weird. I remember conciously making a decision in school one day that instead of concentrating on school work which seemed to make me the focus of bullying I wouldn't try as hard and hopefully fit in more. The media portryal of nerds/geeks didn't help either, think Saved by the Bell. I should have been a stronger person at the time but I was pretty beated down by bullying. Bullying does make you hard which I'm thankful for in later life but I wouldn't wish the experiences I went through on anyone.

That intensely personal agreement to oppressive coerced conformitality is one of the worst decisions a person can ever make as it reduces if not outright eliminates their confidence to be individuals. It took me years to recover the damage to my psyche casused by this bullying indeed at 26 I don't think I'm the man I could have been, as I never achieved my full intellectual potential due to faults in a school system that was terribly designed for people like me who much prefer to work autonomously, independently, at their own pace and who are most importantly surrounded by similarily minded peers. As a result I consider the vast majority of my time in secondary school to be wasted and intellectually unstimulating.

There is a reason extremely intelligent people seem to be constantly underachieving. I have seen it happen all the time, creative intelligent people are stifled by the system and often leave with huge self esteem issues.

Happily I gritted my teeth and got on with it but we are stifling our best and brightest on an almost daily basis.

A few points to pick you up on. I think you are over-generalising from your own personal experience. There are plenty of people who achieve 600 points who have a high IQ, and likewise plenty of intelligent people who achieve excellent exam results. It's difficult to find studies offhand at the moment looking more in depth at school results and intelligence, but you will find several that show undergraduate university results are a better predictor of postgraduate success, than the GRE (American Graduate aptitude test). Even at university, which the children in this programme are striving for, there is a strong element of structured learning in science-based courses, in particular. For example, where I studied medicine, everything was compulsory, so there was not a huge amount of room for creativity. Of course, I do acknowledge that there is perhaps more freedom in other areas of study.

On the point of streaming intelligent pupils-separating them from 'others' as you state. How do you define these 'others?' What level of IQ do you draw the line at? Also, by doing this you ignore a very important factor, which is also a predictor of academic succes ie. work ethic. Personally, I was very lucky in my school, we were streamed into classes. In first year then, some people who hadn't done so well in the entrance exam, then could move up into the next level of class if they were doing well. This would have been based on how they were working. If you stream into schools, you create problems the other way. The best teachers are going to want to teach in the schools with the 'smarter' students. The students who would be willing to work hard, would probably be discouraged by the fact that they were stuck in the 'lesser' school. Also, if you stream students into separate schools, there will be implications in later life. Once you come out of academic life and into the 'real world' of work, which most people will eventually do, you will encounter people of all levels of intelligence. For example, even if you are highly gifted and working as a doctor, you will be seeing some patients whose IQ is below average. You need to be able to talk to this person and value them as much as anyone else. How can you do this if you have been isolated from a mix of people for your formative years?

Namabillion

I got better Junior Cert results than that guy who took third year off.

dkin

A few points to pick you up on. I think you are over-generalising from your own personal experience. There are plenty of people who achieve 600 points who have a high IQ, and likewise plenty of intelligent people who achieve excellent exam results.

Of course there are plenty of intelligent people who achieve good school results indeed I would say there is a strong correlation between intelligence and exam results, however I don't consider doing well in the Leaving Cert a particularly impressive achievement for a child of 18 if they are genuinely gifted. It isn't that hard an exam, most people do perfectly well with a bit of study in 6th year. I do feel however that many people force themselves to conform to the school system at considerable personal cost as it stifles the abilities and impedes their intellectual growth. Sitting in a classroom all day is not a suitable teaching environment for a gifted child. I was able to conform and suffered through it but only just I imagine many others would opt out and I saw this happen in many cases. Work ethic as you mention below is the major enabler of exam success.

It's difficult to find studies offhand at the moment looking more in depth at school results and intelligence, but you will find several that show undergraduate university results are a better predictor of postgraduate success, than the GRE (American Graduate aptitude test). Even at university, which the children in this programme are striving for, there is a strong element of structured learning in science-based courses, in particular. For example, where I studied medicine, everything was compulsory, so there was not a huge amount of room for creativity. Of course, I do acknowledge that there is perhaps more freedom in other areas of study.

I studied a hard science in university and I agree there is very little scope for creativity however there is plenty of mathematical challenge and in my mind that is what it's all about the desire to be challenged. I currently work in research and certainly in the majority of phd programmes there is not much scope for creativity especially in the sciences as the primary focus is on publishing academic papers for supervisor career advancement not eureka moments. Obviously not all phds are like this but a very significant number are. This type of work is actually quite suited to those who are methodical and obedient.

On the point of streaming intelligent pupils-separating them from 'others' as you state. How do you define these 'others?' What level of IQ do you draw the line at?

I wouldn't do it by IQ level. I would set a challenge and give a reward that's all it takes. The challenge is an exam and the reward is a place at a better school. An exam that rewards competence rather than memory. I don't believe this exam should be a once off either due to the added stress levels but rather an open ended offer to be taken up whenever the time is right. In this way it is very similar to the set up in most sports clubs. You do the work, go to training and are rewarded by a position on a better team with similar minded people. You don't languish with people who couldn't care less and don't bother making an effort.

Also, by doing this you ignore a very important factor, which is also a predictor of academic success ie. work ethic. Personally, I was very lucky in my school, we were streamed into classes. In first year then, some people who hadn't done so well in the entrance exam, then could move up into the next level of class if they were doing well.

This system is more or less what I had in mind. If the school is sufficiently large this system could work well.

This would have been based on how they were working. If you stream into schools, you create problems the other way. The best teachers are going to want to teach in the schools with the 'smarter' students. The students who would be willing to work hard, would probably be discouraged by the fact that they were stuck in the 'lesser' school.

This is why I would give those students the ability to join the streamed class or school at a later date provided they can fulfil the criteria. I don't agree in definite cut off exams.

With regard to teachers, that is the way the modern work place operates people aspire to be working in better places and under better conditions. In my opinion the average teacher has very little opportunity to advance through hard work. Perhaps if places in these kinds of schools were on offer young teachers would work harder in the attempt to get a job there and students in those schools would benefit.

Also, if you stream students into separate schools, there will be implications in later life. Once you come out of academic life and into the 'real world' of work, which most people will eventually do, you will encounter people of all levels of intelligence.

Yes I come across people I consider idiots all the time, everyone does. I generally avoid as much as possible those I don't like. In my opinion this one of the major problems of working life for most people they have to associate with those they don't like, I really don't see how going to a streamed school would change this as it is a problem everyone faces.

For example, even if you are highly gifted and working as a doctor, you will be seeing some patients whose IQ is below average. You need to be able to talk to this person and value them as much as anyone else. How can you do this if you have been isolated from a mix of people for your formative years?

Because if you're sufficiently intelligent you will not base your opinion of other people solely on you school peers or their IQ level, there is a large world outside the school gates and a lot more to the average person than their IQ score. I would rate the selfless people of this world willing to do work for others far higher than those supposedly intelligent people. Do you think high achieving sportsmen who have devoted their life to sport can't handle other people who don't play their sport or aren't in any way interested in it?

MiniMed

dkin wrote: »

Work ethic as you mention below is the major enabler of exam success.



I wouldn't do it by IQ level. I would set a challenge and give a reward that's all it takes. The challenge is an exam and the reward is a place at a better school. An exam that rewards competence rather than memory. I don't believe this exam should be a once off either due to the added stress levels but rather an open ended offer to be taken up whenever the time is right. In this way it is very similar to the set up in most sports clubs. You do the work, go to training and are rewarded by a position on a better team with similar minded people. You don't languish with people who couldn't care less and don't bother making an effort.


This system is more or less what I had in mind. If the school is sufficiently large this system could work well.



This is why I would give those students the ability to join the streamed class or school at a later date provided they can fulfil the criteria. I don't agree in definite cut off exams.

With regard to teachers, that is the way the modern work place operates people aspire to be working in better places and under better conditions. In my opinion the average teacher has very little opportunity to advance through hard work. Perhaps if places in these kinds of schools were on offer young teachers would work harder in the attempt to get a job there and students in those schools would benefit.


Yes I come across people I consider idiots all the time, everyone does. I generally avoid as much as possible those I don't like. In my opinion this one of the major problems of working life for most people they have to associate with those they don't like, I really don't see how going to a streamed school would change this as it is a problem everyone faces.


Because if you're sufficiently intelligent you will not base your opinion of other people solely on you school peers or their IQ level, there is a large world outside the school gates and a lot more to the average person than their IQ score. I would rate the selfless people of this world willing to do work for others far higher than those supposedly intelligent people. Do you think high achieving sportsmen who have devoted their life to sport can't handle other people who don't play their sport or aren't in any way interested in it?

Surely though an exam based on competence rather than memory is similar to an IQ or aptitude test. If you are praising work ethic, you must similarly acknowledge memory as much of it is to do with rehearsal.Rehearsal takes time and those who work hard will spend this time at it.

There is a big difference between streaming within and between schools. Even if you allow mobility, it is a big wrench for a child to have to change schools.

When I mention people whose IQ is below average, you say you come across 'idiots' all the time. Says it all really.

You refer to 'idiots'; I doubt sportspeople describe not sportspeople in such derogatory terms.

dkin

MiniMed wrote: »

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When I mention people whose IQ is below average, you say you come across 'idiots' all the time. Says it all really.

You refer to 'idiots'; I doubt sportspeople describe not sportspeople in such derogatory terms.

I just meant people I don't get on with for various reasons could be personal opinions, personality clashes.. I'm betting you bump into lots of people you consider idiots all the time too, has nothing to do with how intelligent or not they are.

Scambuster

I thought they were all horrid little creatures.

Start bandying about the gifted tag when they actually do something with their lives. Being in the top 5% whilst you are young isn't much to boast about.

tampopo

I had to laugh when the father from Donegal went to the school in DCU and pushed at the door when he should have pulled!!! Reminded me of the Gary Larson cartoon.

I had the subtitles on during the programme, and when the lad was getting on the bus to Enniscorthy, it said "it's journey" instead of "its journey" ha,

good prog, though