is a ski mask suitable for skirmishing.

Arkslippy

Straightforward enough question folks, can a good quality ski mask be worn for skirmishing. A friend has a pair he wears for skiing and they are pretty tough but also don't fog up as they hage micro vents for that which are foam protected

listermint

Only if they are ballistically rated for 1Joule hits.

If not, then no. Its dangerous.

elDiablo79

shoot the goggles point blank and see if they break. dont do it when your wearing them obviously.:D

johnboysligo

its your eyes but i would recommend simply placing the eyewear on the ground or where ever, take your aeg / rifle / gbb stand a reasonable distance ( that you would feel comfortable being shot at ) and fire a half mag into them. Check for scratches or damage after each shot and continue until you are happy.
Any anti glare coating on the surface might be damaged easily so its not only your eyes you might be putting at risk but also your wallet.

By no means is this a "wear what you like" statement they are your eyes BUT if they are not what a site owner / operator feels comfortable allowing you to wear on their site then no matter how many bbs it can stop or how many joules it can withstand you had better find some that jives with the site owner.

Genghiz Cohen

johnboysligo wrote: »

its your eyes but i would recommend simply placing the eyewear on the ground or where ever, take your aeg / rifle / gbb POINT BLANK and fire a half mag into them. Check for scratches or damage after each shot and continue until you are happy.
Any anti glare coating on the surface might be damaged easily so its not only your eyes you might be putting at risk but also your wallet.

By no means is this a "wear what you like" statement they are your eyes BUT if they are not what a site owner / operator feels comfortable allowing you to wear on their site then no matter how many bbs it can stop or how many joules it can withstand you had better find some that jives with the site owner.

fixd

Inari

I would like to point out something that NakedDex has posted about here in the past:

Destructive testing (i.e. shooting) damages the structural integrity of the mask. They are made to withstand a certain amount of damage, and by shooting them you are reducing their overall effectiveness. It is recommended that if you wish to test as such, then buy two pairs to see how they fare.

Ski Goggles should be alright. One of the most highly regarded Airsoft Goggles/Glasses used are made by Bolle, which also make Ski-goggles. However, do remember that it is your eyes, so wear what you feel comfortable in. If you don't think they'll help/protect you, then don't wear them. Simple as, I'm afraid.

johnboysligo

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

fixd

do you skirmish with execution rules?

Leftyflip

johnboysligo wrote: »

do you skirmish with execution rules?

Accidents happen, point blank shots happen all the time, would you rather your eye protection couldn't take a point blank hit?

Your eyes cannot be replaced, don't be stupid, buy proper airsoft safety glasses/masks, you can get new glasses and masks, you can't get new eyes.

NakedDex

johnboysligo wrote: »

do you skirmish with execution rules?

A 737 is designed to be able to run on one engine if neccessary, and execute a controlled glide-landing if literally every system on the aircraft fails. The engine itself is tested during development by running one at max thrust and detonating an explosive charge in a couple of stage 1 fan blade roots to make sure the fan case can contain the failure.
Always test and prepare for the worst. Point blank with a pair you don't intend to use would be an obvious test for "worst case scenario".
I've written quite a bit about this topic on here before, though I can't find the threads they were in now.


For the OP's information, it depends on what they are. All ski goggles are vented and most people seem to think they're stronger than they are.
I used to skirmish with a pair of Spy goggles which were ANSI certified, so I trusted them. They were, however, pricey (about €120 I think), but I had them from snowboarding anyway.

The key here is not to skimp, and ALWAYS ensure they're ANSI Z87.1+ certified. That code will be stamped onto the lenses and frame. Remember that the frame is just as likely to shatter or be damaged as the lens, so be sure both parts comply.

Most branded snowboard/ski goggles (Spy/Bollé/Burton/Oakley etc) are ANSI certified these days. The kind you'll pick up in TK Maxx for twenty quid around this time of year generally are not, and are best avoided.

Arkslippy

I had a look at the ones he saw and no, I wouldn't wear them.

We've been looking for something practical and comfortable for glasses wearers and the only non fogging option is the mesh.

And speaking as someone who got full blast in the side of the face with a SAW on Sunday from close range , I wouldn't try anything that i had a doubt about , but thanks anyway guys.

NakedDex

I feel your pain. I actually still wear snowboarding goggles over my glasses, but there are other options. Bollé, ESS and Wiley X all do full ANSI rated prescription goggles and glasses. If your prescription is heavy (+/-4 or stronger), all three manufacturers also do goggles that take inserts for prescription lenses which any optician will do for you.
Either way, both are great options and are well in excess of requirements for safe airsoft use.

The_ChiefDUB

If ski style goggles is what you are after I recommend the Oakley A Frame Assault Goggles http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/product_info.php/products_id/38 they're a bit pricey on this site but I shopped around and I got them for about 40 quid from a UK website.

Really comfortable, give good vision and ballistic tested. I use Cat Crap anti-mist with mine and they work well for all but the wettest environments.
Wet environment + heating up from running = misting every time.
Since I prefer the ski goggles style I've now gone for ski goggles with steel mesh in place of the lens.

Got them here actually http://www.body-armour-protection.co.uk/home.html - they don't seem to have them anymore but they do have ESS.

BioHazRd

Ski goggles are for skiing - airsoft goggles are for airsofting. Use the wrong one, have an accident and lose an eye, you can say bye bye to any insurance claim as they will just say you were using inappropriate equipment.

You need to look for EN 166 1B on the goggles, otherwise, they dont comply (us yooropeens prefer EN to ANSI )

http://www.popularairsoft.com/downloads/EN%20-%20Safety%20Standards%20and%20Protective%20Eyewear.pdf

Read that - most informative

NakedDex

The ANSI and EN ratings are effectively the same, but I always mention the ANSI one as it's far easier to spot.
We use an incredible amount of face and eye protection in my job, from various manufacturers in various countries. All of them stamp the Z87.1+ rating directly onto the lens and frame, making it easy to confirm it's to standard.
The same holds for most airsoft goggles and glasses. I've only seen, I think, two sets with the EN code stamped alongside the ANSI code, but all quality ones had the ANSI code at the least.