New Rider

Beta Ray Bill

So I got my provisional today

So It's time to learn to ride a Bike, but I have a few questions:

I am based in Raheny, Does anyone know of any good Motor Cycle instructors in that areas?

I do not have my own bike yet so I will need the instructor to have their bike for me to use (Do they provide Jackets, Gloves and Helmet etc?)
How much should I be paying for a lesson?

Next Question is what bike should I go for as my first bike?
I like the "Race Type" bike but understand that it will probably have to be a 250cc or under (with the possibility of being restricted)

I was thinking of something along the lines of a Kawasaki Ninja 250

Last question,
Is the restrictor easy to remove? I want to do a few track days on my bike in say maybe 7 or 8 months when I'm confident I can control the bike (But will still be under the restriction for 2 years even if I pass my test)

I don't really see the point in driving around Mondello or Angelsey with a restricted bike.

Regards
G.

hobochris

grahambo wrote: »

So I got my provisional today

So It's time to learn to ride a Bike, but I have a few questions:

I am based in Raheny, Does anyone know of any good Motor Cycle instructors in that areas? nearest I know of who I'd recommend is peter @ Arron rider training.

I do not have my own bike yet so I will need the instructor to have their bike for me to use (Do they provide Jackets, Gloves and Helmet etc?)
How much should I be paying for a lesson? €350 is the going rate for the a days training(around 6 hours) and bike hire.

Next Question is what bike should I go for as my first bike?
I like the "Race Type" bike but understand that it will probably have to be a 250cc or under (with the possibility of being restricted)

I was thinking of something along the lines of a Kawasaki Ninja 250
Ninja's a good bike, But you may get bored soonish, no harm in getting a 600(once you've done lessons and have a little confidence). First bike I would advise against full fairing as your very likely to drop it at some point, fairing ain't cheap to fix.

Last question,
Is the restrictor easy to remove? I want to do a few track days on my bike in say maybe 7 or 8 months when I'm confident I can control the bike (But will still be under the restriction for 2 years even if I pass my test)

I don't really see the point in driving around Mondello or Angelsey with a restricted bike.Depends on the bike, most restrictors only effect top speed. so may not be much of an issue. Also I think you need a full licence or a race licence for Track days

Regards
G.

I would also advise on getting your own gear asap and not to try save money here either, think of what you'd like to be wearing sliding down the road on your arse at 60-70 mph not what looks cool.

Good luck, Keep 'er lit & between the hedges + all those other token biking phrases

KamiKazi

SV650 is the way to go.

get a pointy version (2003 onwards).

You can get a full powered one, then get a restricted ECU for €50 on ebay, simple plug in job.

Beta Ray Bill

hobochris wrote: »

I would also advise on getting your own gear asap and not to try save money here either, think of what you'd like to be wearing sliding down the road on your arse at 60-70 mph not what looks cool.

Good luck, Keep 'er lit & between the hedges + all those other token biking phrases

Thanks for the Info

I dunno if I could handle a 600 for a while yet

So wanna go with something a bit smaller and then get the maybe a 600 next year

Fairing = Plastic cover on the outside right?

What would you suggest as a first bike?

Don't wanna go mad spending money (As you said I will probably drop it)

I will need to get some gear next week (after pay day)

KamiKazi

If you need gear get yourself down to Cotters, can't be beaten for prices.

hobochris

grahambo wrote: »

Thanks for the Info

I dunno if I could handle a 600 for a while yet

So wanna go with something a bit smaller and then get the maybe a 600 next year you could do worse then a honda cb400 'superfour', good reliable and manageable bike

Fairing = Plastic cover on the outside right? yup

What would you suggest as a first bike? as Above cb400

Don't wanna go mad spending money (As you said I will probably drop it)
see link (clean cb400 for 1k)
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1618614

I will need to get some gear next week (after pay day)

.

KamiKazi

CB400 is a hell of a bike, had great craic on mine.

hobochris

KamiKazi wrote: »

CB400 is a hell of a bike, had great craic on mine.

Had? What you got now?

KamiKazi

hobochris wrote: »

Had? What you got now?

SV

hobochris

KamiKazi wrote: »

SV

nice. round or pointy?

TechnoPool

on a curvey one myself atm, great first bike imo coming from a cage and a scooter

KamiKazi

hobochris wrote: »

nice. round or pointy?

Cuuuuuurvy

TechnoPool

CURVY


VS


Pointy



this sums it up quite well

hobochris

KamiKazi wrote: »

Cuuuuuurvy

Nice bike that.

A belly pan would finish it off perfect.

KamiKazi

hobochris wrote: »

Nice bike that.

A belly pan would finish it off perfect.

it's on the to-do list.

along with black screen and rear hugger (both on the way to me as we speak), tail tidy, progressive fork springs, new rear shock, and a few other bits.

martydunf

KamiKazi wrote: »

You can get a full powered one, then get a restricted ECU for €50 on ebay, simple plug in job.

they wont supply you with a cert to prove its resticted tho will they? alot of insurance companies are askn for a copy of these certs lately.

KamiKazi

martydunf wrote: »

they wont supply you with a cert to prove its resticted tho will they? alot of insurance companies are askn for a copy of these certs lately.

That's a whole other argument.

sleepysniper

Gaurds can also ask for the restriction cert at checkpoints.

KamiKazi

sleepysniper wrote: »

Gaurds can also ask for the restriction cert at checkpoints.

And they can also be asked to show what part of the Road Traffic Act requires you to have a certificate, and to define said certificate.

Cuddlesworth

sleepysniper wrote: »

Gaurds can also ask for the restriction cert at checkpoints.

Cool. Give me twenty minutes with some Adobe products.

Seriously, if a cop asks you for a restriction cert ask him from which Government approved body should you ask for it from?

There is no legal requirement for a cert, there is no system in place to validate a cert beyond the obvious.

If anybody would like a cert, I'll do you up one this evening. It doesn't matter since it holds no basis in law.

martydunf

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Cool. Give me twenty minutes with some Adobe products.

Seriously, if a cop asks you for a restriction cert ask him from which Government approved body should you ask for it from?

There is no legal requirement for a cert, there is no system in place to validate a cert beyond the obvious.

If anybody would like a cert, I'll do you up one this evening. It doesn't matter since it holds no basis in law.

So what do you do when your insurance company asks for a copy of the cert and will cancel your policy upon failure to produce it?

TBH though insurance companies arent too well up on bikes that require restrictors, as in the power to weight ratio rule and will still ask for a cert even tho the bike is learner legal due to the secondary rule.

KamiKazi

martydunf wrote: »

So what do you do when your insurance company asks for a copy of the cert and will cancel your policy upon failure to produce it?

TBH though insurance companies arent too well up on bikes that require restrictors, as in the power to weight ratio rule and will still ask for a cert even tho the bike is learner legal due to the secondary rule.

Ask them to define what a restrictor cert. is.

As there is no official certificate it's merely a case of typing one up yourself.

Cuddlesworth

martydunf wrote: »

So what do you do when your insurance company asks for a copy of the cert and will cancel your policy upon failure to produce it?

TBH though insurance companies arent too well up on bikes that require restrictors, as in the power to weight ratio rule and will still ask for a cert even tho the bike is learner legal due to the secondary rule.

I'll write up and send them a cert. Let them define what is and isn't a valid cert.

Here we go,

Certificate of Restriction

Bike:_____
Registration number:________

I hereby state that this bike is restricted to 33bhp.

Signed.
Your ma.

Beta Ray Bill

HAHAHA

"Your Ma"

Got a quote on a restricted SV650 S.... €1019 from Quinn

To high?
or about right?

Booked a 2 day beginners course with Aaron Motor Cycle training as well

Excitement!!

hobochris

grahambo wrote: »

HAHAHA

"Your Ma"

Got a quote on a restricted SV650 S.... €1019 from Quinn

To high?
or about right?

Booked a 2 day beginners course with Aaron Motor Cycle training as well

Excitement!!

Third party or full comp?

I paid that for first insurance on a bandit 600 when I started.

Beta Ray Bill

hobochris wrote: »

Third party or full comp?

I paid that for first insurance on a bandit 600 when I started.

Fully Comp

EDIT:

€686 - 3rd Party

sleepysniper

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Cool. Give me twenty minutes with some Adobe products.

Seriously, if a cop asks you for a restriction cert ask him from which Government approved body should you ask for it from?

There is no legal requirement for a cert, there is no system in place to validate a cert beyond the obvious.

If anybody would like a cert, I'll do you up one this evening. It doesn't matter since it holds no basis in law.

So whats to stop a young lad jumping up on a unresticted 600 and drivin away not a bother once its insured? as there seemingly is no way to verify its resticted unless the garda is gona take it for a "spin"...:pac:

AgileMyth

sleepysniper wrote: »

So whats to stop a young lad jumping up on a unresticted 600 and drivin away not a bother once its insured? as there seemingly is no way to verify its resticted unless the garda is gona take it for a "spin"...:pac:

If they have an accident it might be checked out. You'd be uninsured and driving without a licence.

Beta Ray Bill

sleepysniper wrote: »

So whats to stop a young lad jumping up on a unresticted 600 and drivin away not a bother once its insured? as there seemingly is no way to verify its resticted unless the garda is gona take it for a "spin"...:pac:

If a Garda Catches you doing 130mph on a Motorway he's gonna know its not restricted

Also

I've been told that the restriction is an EU directive and not actually a law

The Issue is though that the insurance companies will not ensure you on anything great than a 33bhp bike.

So they CAN do you for no insurance.

If the insurance company sends out an assessor and they find the bike is not restricted when it should have been then they will not pay out

KamiKazi

I'm paying around €700 fully comp on an SV650, 23 with full licence and 1 years NCB.

Cuddlesworth

sleepysniper wrote: »

So whats to stop a young lad jumping up on a unresticted 600 and drivin away not a bother once its insured? as there seemingly is no way to verify its resticted unless the garda is gona take it for a "spin"...:pac:

Exactly. What is to stop a young lad hopping on a unrestricted 600cc and driving away? Not a cert because they are meaningless. Not the cops because they simply don't have the man power or time. Not the insurance company because they don't care unless you cost them money instead of paying them money.

Its a matter of trust.

My restriction is a screw and a washer. The last fellow who owned the bike paid 300 euros for a screw, washer and a "cert". I ****ed out the cert a year ago.

Cuddlesworth

grahambo wrote: »

HAHAHA

"Your Ma"

Got a quote on a restricted SV650 S.... €1019 from Quinn

To high?
or about right?

Booked a 2 day beginners course with Aaron Motor Cycle training as well

Excitement!!

That's cheap. I got 1260 first year, 660 second. Should be a piddle next year cause I'm dropping it to third party as well.

EvilMonkey

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Cool. Give me twenty minutes with some Adobe products.

Seriously, if a cop asks you for a restriction cert ask him from which Government approved body should you ask for it from?

There is no legal requirement for a cert, there is no system in place to validate a cert beyond the obvious.

If anybody would like a cert, I'll do you up one this evening. It doesn't matter since it holds no basis in law.

Anything signed by a person has a well defined basis in law.

KamiKazi

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Anything signed by a person has a well defined basis in law.

Good.

So get a restricted ECU / set of washers off ebay for €50, install it and sign your own certificate. Hell of a lot cheaper than a €240 from FI International.

Cuddlesworth

KamiKazi wrote: »

Good.

So get a restricted ECU / set of washers off ebay for €50, install it and sign your own certificate. Hell of a lot cheaper than a €240 from FI International.

Exactly.

EvilMonkey

ECU's in my experience cost allot more than €50, then you have the problem that 90% people starting out on bikes wont have the confidence to diy it, But i agree that to comply with the law the bike just needs to be under 33BHP, doesn't mater how it is done or who does it.

KamiKazi

EvilMonkey wrote: »

ECU's in my experience cost allot more than €50, then you have the problem that 90% people starting out on bikes wont have the confidence to diy it, But i agree that to comply with the law the bike just needs to be under 33BHP, doesn't mater how it is done or who does it.

You can get second hand ones for most bikes easily enough.

Beta Ray Bill

KamiKazi wrote: »

You can get second hand ones for most bikes easily enough.

I found one on ebay within 30 seconds

Easy enough to find

G.

RosieJoe

grahambo wrote: »

HAHAHA

"Your Ma"

Got a quote on a restricted SV650 S.... €1019 from Quinn

To high?
or about right?

Booked a 2 day beginners course with Aaron Motor Cycle training as well

Excitement!!

When you do the course and get assessed, ask them to fill out the AON assessment form. This is because AON only accept their own form but Quinn will accept either! Found this out last year.

hobochris

KamiKazi wrote: »

I'm paying around €700 fully comp on an SV650, 23 with full licence and 1 years NCB.

Currently paying about €380 fully comp, 25 with full licence, 1 years NCB and a grade 2.

KamiKazi

hobochris wrote: »

Currently paying about €380 fully comp, 25 with full licence, 1 years NCB and a grade 2.

25 is the magic age.

sleepysniper

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Not the cops because they simply don't have the man power or time.

Its a matter of trust

But are the gaurds within their rights to test the bike by taking it for a spin if they believed the bike was unresticted, if they did have the manpower and time to do so?

I know every bike takes differently to a restiction kit, but anyone worth their salt should be able to tell by a quick spin if its resticted or not?

Cuddlesworth

sleepysniper wrote: »

But are the gaurds within their rights to test the bike by taking it for a spin if they believed the bike was unresticted, if they did have the manpower and time to do so?

I know every bike takes differently to a restiction kit, but anyone worth their salt should be able to tell by a quick spin if its resticted or not?

TBH, the way I understand traffic law the cop could just look at your bike, say it was unrestricted and it would be up to you to prove otherwise in court. And your not allowed to question the gardai's judgement.

phoenix0250

Well ive a Yamaha YZF R125 and i think its the best learner bike cuz 1) it just looks damn good,(looks like a 600cc too) 2) although it has a kick, its not THAT powerful so u can die...just my 2 cents :P

KamiKazi

phoenix0250 wrote: »

Well ive a Yamaha YZF R125 and i think its the best learner bike cuz 1) it just looks damn good,(looks like a 600cc too) 2) although it has a kick, its not THAT powerful so u can die...just my 2 cents :P

Just because it's a 125 doesn't mean it won't get you killed.

sleepysniper

phoenix0250 wrote: »

Well ive a Yamaha YZF R125 and i think its the best learner bike cuz 1) it just looks damn good,(looks like a 600cc too) 2) although it has a kick, its not THAT powerful so u can die...just my 2 cents :P

and you cant sit your full A test on a 125cc bike either, has to be >150.