so Wilf in Minnesota nearly pulled trigger

neilster

ESPN's Ed Werder reports that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf was so "irate" after hearing that Childress was dumping Randy Moss (without Wilf's approval) that Wilf delayed Moss' placement on waivers. Moss wasn't officially an ex-Viking until Tuesday because Wilf was weighing whether to keep Moss and boot Childress.

Wilf must have made up his mind by Monday night, when the team allowed Childress to release a statement confirming Moss' release.

Childress has survived this week, but his handling of Moss looks like it will be his undoing as Vikings head coach. Chilly's lack of communication skills has seemingly infected his relationship with his players, fellow coaches, and his boss.



interesting weeks ahead i feel

tallaghtoutlaws

Excellent post neilster. And I agree with you, for me Chilly is clearly on borrowed time. Awful awful coach. Wilf should have just pulled the trigger on him. Its funny for those who defended Chilly last season with his argument with Favre on the sideline, one of the many things being held against Chilly was that episode. Wait til you see when Chilly gets fired it will all come out. Players and coaches a like in Minny have now respect it seems for Chilly and Wilf and co know it.

eagle eye

You know I'm not saying I rate Childress but isn't it funny that he is on borrowed time yet Norv Turner and Mike Singletary still have jobs?

Like Childress had the Vikings one play away from the Superbowl last year.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

You know I'm not saying I rate Childress but isn't it funny that he is on borrowed time yet Norv Turner and Mike Singletary still have jobs?

Like Childress had the Vikings one play away from the Superbowl last year.

I agree, But Turner should have gone a long time ago. As for Singletary someone said in the other thread that he isnt a head coach but more of a man managing coordinator to which I would agree also. Both Turner and Singletary should have lost their jobs already.

One thing about Norv though he will escape the choping block in my eyes this year. Even with that bad record so far its mistakes costing them their games and I bet you anything coordinators will lose their jobs first in San Diego before Turner goes. Never liked Norv I have to say.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Like Childress had the Vikings one play away from the Superbowl last year.

I would say to this that it was his personnel and not him that got them there.

neilster

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I agree, But Turner should have gone a long time ago. As for Singletary someone said in the other thread that he isnt a head coach but more of a man managing coordinator to which I would agree also. Both Turner and Singletary should have lost their jobs already.

One thing about Norv though he will escape the choping block in my eyes this year. Even with that bad record so far its mistakes costing them their games and I bet you anything coordinators will lose their jobs first in San Diego before Turner goes. Never liked Norv I have to say.

thx for that Tallaght ...i think it was me said that about Singletary ....he seems to follow the classic path of the interim coach ...a little bit like the bounce a team gets after a change but then in off season they have to plan things and game plan later for game days and they dont have either the ability or the experience gained

Its no wonder there is an alumni of guys around Bill Walsh and later Bellichek with experience gained (some successful , some less so ) and Chilly fits in that family tree as well

But Singletary never got the experience...his lack of a passable QB didnt help , Turner is a little like Wade Phillips as the General Manager is all powerful and the Owner Spanos stays out of it . And as AJ Smith showed with VJackson he is powerful enough and stubborn enough to hurt the Bolts, Turner and himself to prove a point . So a softy coach fits the bill, Schottenheimer was a little similar too so Norv may survive

Trampas

Binmen are outside and a clear out is coming.

Bye bye childress, favre (season too long)

tallaghtoutlaws

Trampas wrote: »

Binmen are outside and a clear out is coming.

Bye bye childress, favre (season too long)

Really? Whatever about Chilly going Favre will stay put. The man still has it just check out the 2min drill to tie the game in Minny there right now. Got to love people blaming Favre for Minnesotas troubles. Its all bad coaching this year. Chilly has lost it.

neilster

Trampas wrote: »

Binmen are outside and a clear out is coming.

Bye bye childress, favre (season too long)

i thought this might take a gew weeks but a few days now id say

neilster

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Really? Whatever about Chilly going Favre will stay put. The man still has it just check out the 2min drill to tie the game in Minny there right now. Got to love people blaming Favre for Minnesotas troubles. Its all bad coaching this year. Chilly has lost it.

Totally agree ...does anybody understand that there is the bum ankle as well

what do you think Tallaght ? The Leslie Frazier era starts ...reminds me a lot of Dungy , Jim Caldwell, could make a great coach with the Vikes getting back to outstanding defense to get the best out of Jared Allen etc

tallaghtoutlaws

neilster wrote: »

Totally agree ...does anybody understand that there is the bum ankle as well

what do you think Tallaght ? The Leslie Frazier era starts ...reminds me a lot of Dungy , Jim Caldwell, could make a great coach with the Vikes getting back to outstanding defense to get the best out of Jared Allen etc

Yeah I would definitely like to see Frazier get the opportunity to take over. He will fix that defense and most likely get the best out of that offense. How Chilly couldn't do it is beyond me.

neilster

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Yeah I would definitely like to see Frazier get the opportunity to take over. He will fix that defense and most likely get the best out of that offense. How Chilly couldn't do it is beyond me.

Check out the most famous farmer in Ole Miss' stats tonite

476 yards passing ...45/55 completions on attempts

5 recievers with 66 yrds or higher ...89 yds from Berrian ...70 yrds recieving from Peterson ...great comeback ...funny thing is this might reboot the Vikes but Childress still might be toast ....as seemingly Wilf was very annoyed and he is mistrusted in Minnesota ...wants that new stadium ...flirted with moving team etc

with such a capable guy on the staff with Frazier ...he should make the move ...reminds me a little of Tomlin ...

Peyton Manning

neilster wrote: »

Check out the most famous farmer in Ole Miss' stats tonite

476 yards passing ...45/55 completions on attempts

5 recievers with 66 yrds or higher ...89 yds from Berrian ...70 yrds recieving from Peterson

446 yards, 36/47 and two interceptions.

4 receivers with 66 yards or higher. 63 from Peterson.

Are you just making up stats now or something?

themont85

Is Fraizer not already in charge of the defense? Shouldn't he be able to fix it already?

tallaghtoutlaws

themont85 wrote: »

Is Fraizer not already in charge of the defense? Shouldn't he be able to fix it already?

Huge difference between a Defensive Coordinator and a Head Coach. As a head coach he will be able to implement his own system. Not all coordinators agree with the systems their HC play with but they coach it anyways.

neilster

Archimedes wrote: »

446 yards, 36/47 and two interceptions.

4 receivers with 66 yards or higher. 63 from Peterson.

Are you just making up stats now or something?

Pretty close ...was reading and memorising ,,,what is this Arch?

Peyton Manning

neilster wrote: »

Pretty close ...was reading and memorising ,,,what is this Arch?

It's inception Neil. You're asleep right now, I've actually planted the idea that Bret Favre sucks in your mind.

neilster

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Huge difference between a Defensive Coordinator and a Head Coach. As a head coach he will be able to implement his own system. Not all coordinators agree with the systems their HC play with but they coach it anyways.

True the Head Coach picks the system as in the type of game that American Football is ...thereby having two teams effectively playing on game day ...the head coach would have to have the final say ...

lets take the Bills ....Chan Gailey wanted a classic 3-4 scheme , he would pick a good co-ordinator running that scheme ....and the co-ordinator if he is respected will be left to do a lot himself but still game-planning , strategies of different kinds will be up to the Head Coach

Chilly is an ex-OC from the Eagles so he is a West Coast guy bred from the family tree which Reid has got from Bill Walsh so strategy may change quite a bit on both sides of the ball when Frazier could get reins

He will have control of the draft and free agancy which is a huge factor on the defensive side of the ball coming into the absence of a Central Bargaining Agreement. A lot of that team is unsigned going into 2011 so the draft will be critical

neilster

Archimedes wrote: »

It's inception Neil. You're asleep right now, I've actually planted the idea that Bret Favre sucks in your mind.

thats a good one ...De Caprio and Tom Hardy are going to go by in a parallel world shooting off M6 carbines and glass everywhere

Brett does have that effect ....the next thing will be with his resurgence and a €15m contract will he back in 2011 haha

as Jeff George and Vinny Testaverde have said particularly George ...only that teams stopped calling they all think they gunsling forever

neilster

neilster wrote: »

thats a good one ...De Caprio and Tom Hardy are going to go by in a parallel world shooting off M6 carbines and glass everywhere

Brett does have that effect ....the next thing will be with his resurgence and a €15m contract will he back in 2011 haha

as Jeff George and Vinny Testaverde have said particularly George ...only that teams stopped calling they all think they gunsling forever

Jerry Jones meets coaches today ....hmmmm ominous

The biggest decision should the owner be the GM in this case ? discuss

mikemac

Press conference at 9pm Ireland tonight.
Will Wade even survive today?

Chucky the tree

The vikings job is going to be a poisen chalice for the next HC. If stays on they'll be expecting play-offs but they don't have the talent on defense. It will be interesting if they go QB in the first.

Syferus

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The vikings job is going to be a poisen chalice for the next HC. If stays on they'll be expecting play-offs but they don't have the talent on defense. It will be interesting if they go QB in the first.

McNabb would seem to be always associated with the Vikings job because he'd be the obvious target if they wanted a Farve 2.0. Even if their shakey start leads to a high pick the best rookie QB is going to need some time and I don't think a roster with as many veterns with only a few good years left as the Vikings' will be excited by that prospect. The 'win now' mentality has alot of basis in reality and the Vikings will still be stronger next year than they can project to be in four or five years.

They like Joe Webb alot, the UAB product they picked up this year, and I'd imagine if he's shown them enough this year they'll pick up McNabb or sign TJ to a medium term deal and see if they can't spin Webb into a Rodgers/Rivers, a player that sits and learns for a few years and can step up to the plate in their own time.

Hammar

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The vikings job is going to be a poisen chalice for the next HC. If stays on they'll be expecting play-offs but they don't have the talent on defense. It will be interesting if they go QB in the first.

Dont have the talent on defense?
Id have to disagree with you there Chucky

Defensive Line- Jared Allen, Pat Williams,Kevin Williams,Ray Edwards
are all talented, Allen is an All Pro and both Williams are among the best at their positions in the league,Edwards is a very good player aswell
For the last few years,this was the best defensive line in football,whom you could not run the ball on
Linebackers- Chad Greenway,E.J Henderson and Ben Leber

Greenway the fomer first round draft pick out of Iowa??? is a very good linebacker, E.J Henderson is above average at his position as well,while Leber is serviceable.

Defensive Backfield-
Cornerbacks, Antoine Winfield and Asher Allen,
Winfield is probably the best tackling cornerback in the NFL,is a good in coverage, Allen is a better than average starter in the league aswell.
Lito Sheppard is the third cornerback,and he started for years with the Eagles.
Safeties- Hussain Abdullah and Madieu Williams
While neither are upper echelon players at their position and neither are at the standard of Darren Sharper was,both are solid enough.

Adding this talented defense to a n terriffically talented offense,and their is no excuse for the Vikings to be doing this poorly.

Chucky the tree

Pat Williams is gone next year, Allen and Kevin aren't getting any young while Winfield will be 34 next year. Not to mention if Farve can last another year.

Syferus

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Pat Williams is gone next year, Allen and Kevin aren't getting any young while Winfield will be 34 next year. Not to mention if Farve can last another year.

Even Farve knows father time is catching up with him. I can't imagine him continuing even if the Vikings repeated last year's last second defeat in the championship game and definitely not if they somehow managed to win the Superbowl. He's said as much already and even though he is Farve, I think most everyone is willing to believe that this really is it.

neilster

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Yeah I would definitely like to see Frazier get the opportunity to take over. He will fix that defense and most likely get the best out of that offense. How Chilly couldn't do it is beyond me.

I am going to correct myself slightly ...i compared W Phillips to Schottenheimer which is probably a little unfair....Schotty's meagre playoff record was a blemish on a fine record ...but teams always played hard were well coached and were perennial playoff participants

Wade has done alright before 2010 but the Cowboys always like to play from being infront ...didnt get turnovers and the Offensive Line always seemed to be huge but unsuited to a Pass defense

But to get onto what you said about Norv turner i think him and Wade are simialr ...being a Co-ordinator and a pretty good one is their level ....Norv tends to have a bad start to seasons and then gets it together....his team does seem to play for him

wades team lay down on him and to be fair ...im not sure the Vikes and Favre were playing for Chilly the other nite but they know they could still go a ways with that team